Vinegar Syndrome and Their Partner Labels

[MovieBuff647]

VinSyn confirmed that FiM encoded the 4K UHD disc of MANHUNTER.

Also, people in the CIN thread on the other site—two of whom I have quoted—said to not rule out SCARECROW yet despite the NY bit.

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.php? ... stcount=27

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.php? ... count=5448

And even if the CIN Black Friday title isn't SCARECROW, we do now know it is at least with a label.

[mfunk9786]

Was waffling on Manhunter and saw that the Shop app has a $10 off promo for VS... finally had to pull the trigger. And yes, it's possible to combine it with rewards/SMS coupons as it's not inherently a VS discount.

[beamish14]

VinSyn confirmed that FiM encoded the 4K UHD disc of MANHUNTER.

Also, people in the CIN thread on the other site—two of whom I have quoted—said to not rule out SCARECROW yet despite the NY bit.

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.php? ... stcount=27

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.php? ... count=5448

And even if the CIN Black Friday title isn't SCARECROW, we do now know it is at least with a label.

It’s crazy to me that Criterion would miss out on both Puzzle of a Downfall Child (which Kino really did an exceptional job with) and this film. Maybe they’ll get the freshly restored Reunion

[MovieBuff647]

VinSyn confirmed that FiM encoded the 4K UHD disc of MANHUNTER.

Also, people in the CIN thread on the other site—two of whom I have quoted—said to not rule out SCARECROW yet despite the NY bit.

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.php? ... stcount=27

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.php? ... count=5448

And even if the CIN Black Friday title isn't SCARECROW, we do now know it is at least with a label.

It’s crazy to me that Criterion would miss out on both Puzzle of a Downfall Child (which Kino really did an exceptional job with) and this film. Maybe they’ll get the freshly restored Reunion

I could see Criterion going for PUZZLE 4K if they were open to UHD-only licenses like Arrow, Radiance, and VinSyn (and they could always sneak a BD in), but Criterion don't really do that save for sets.

Also, REUNION is a StudioCanal title and yeah, I'd definitely lean Criterion over Kino. https://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=38092

[olmo]

Schatzberg gets his ton up in June next year, maybe Criterion are waiting on the occasion to release a collection of his films.

[MovieBuff647]

Was waffling on Manhunter and saw that the Shop app has a $10 off promo for VS... finally had to pull the trigger. And yes, it's possible to combine it with rewards/SMS coupons as it's not inherently a VS discount.

Interesting, the one time I attempted to combine the two, it wouldn't allow me.

[mfunk9786]

Was waffling on Manhunter and saw that the Shop app has a $10 off promo for VS... finally had to pull the trigger. And yes, it's possible to combine it with rewards/SMS coupons as it's not inherently a VS discount.

Interesting, the one time I attempted to combine the two, it wouldn't allow me.

To be fair, I used an SMS 10% off code, no hands on idea about the rewards, but figured that would also work just as well. And no, I didn't get reward points credit for joining SMS, so it didn't even accomplish what I did it for in the first place - but the 10% off was nice.

[MovieBuff647]

Was waffling on Manhunter and saw that the Shop app has a $10 off promo for VS... finally had to pull the trigger. And yes, it's possible to combine it with rewards/SMS coupons as it's not inherently a VS discount.

Interesting, the one time I attempted to combine the two, it wouldn't allow me.

To be fair, I used an SMS 10% off code, no hands on idea about the rewards, but figured that would also work just as well. And no, I didn't get reward points credit for joining SMS, so it didn't even accomplish what I did it for in the first place - but the 10% off was nice.

SMS makes sense but Shop will not allow you to use their in-app promos and VSMC points in the same transaction.

[Stefan Andersson]

Tracks, Jaglom -- article and trailer:
https://www.indiewire.com/news/trailers ... 235225564/

"The restoration will have its theatrical premiere on November 11 /.../ at the Roxy Cinema, where Cinématographe’s Justin LaLiberty will participate in a post-screening Q&A with Jaglom’s offspring (and frequent collaborators) Simon Jaglom and Sabrina Jaglom, moderated by Taylor Purdee."

[luxta]

Reviver 5 teaser https://www.instagram.com/reel/Dfat4pONh70/

[Finch]

Friendly reminder to please post the actual image directly in your posts if it's Instagram and X accounts.

[swo17]

But can you do that with reels?

[therewillbeblus]

I don't believe so. What film is that clip from?

[MovieBuff647]

Stunning (in a bad way) admission by one of VinSyn's colorists https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.php? ... tcount=478

Am I excited for the prospect of 4K releases of SCARECROW and STAR 80 later this month? Absolutely yes. Am I excited for how the color gradings will look? Absolutely not.

[Matt]

I guess I don't see what he said that would be controversial.

[hearthesilence]

I guess I don't see what he said that would be controversial.

I'm guessing this:

“I know of films that were kind of normal-looking back in the 1980s and ‘90s, and then there’s a current reissue, and they’ll go in the orange and teal () direction,” says Marc.

“The real question is, ‘Is that appropriate for this film?’ If I’m doing a brand-new feature, commercial, short, or TV show, I won’t hesitate to go in an orange-and-teal direction sometimes. But I think it gets weird when you have this intense, powerful look for 90 minutes, two hours, two and half hours. It gets exhausting”

“But to impose that kind of modern look on an old film? That’s not something I would do.”

But wouldn't this suggest he isn't doing this on VS titles? I only have a few that look fine so I have no idea if this has been a common problem on presumably titles he didn't grade.

[MovieBuff647]

I guess I don't see what he said that would be controversial.

I'm guessing this:

“I know of films that were kind of normal-looking back in the 1980s and ‘90s, and then there’s a current reissue, and they’ll go in the orange and teal () direction,” says Marc.

“The real question is, ‘Is that appropriate for this film?’ If I’m doing a brand-new feature, commercial, short, or TV show, I won’t hesitate to go in an orange-and-teal direction sometimes. But I think it gets weird when you have this intense, powerful look for 90 minutes, two hours, two and half hours. It gets exhausting”

“But to impose that kind of modern look on an old film? That’s not something I would do.”

But wouldn't this suggest he isn't doing this on VS titles? I only have a few that look fine so I have no idea if this has been a common problem on presumably titles he didn't grade.

Using reference prints should be standard procedure and VinSyn too often grade their own remasters to look like old CRT-friendly masters. The fact that they included a disclaimer in front of SLIVER—their most film-like remaster to date—saying that it only has cyan/"teal" because Noyce supervised it speaks volumes.

[Matt]

You might be overestimating the availability of good reference prints, especially for the kinds of '70s-'90s films this guy seems to work on for VS. A standard release print would generally not be considered "reference" quality—they were essentially mass-produced and not timed or inspected with the care of something like a master positive. And they'd be very likely faded or discolored by age at this point.

But I guess I can't really speak on the quality of VS's masters. I've only got a few of their discs, and I know others have had complaints about their perceived accuracy and quality.

[nitin]

more than the actual grades, it would be nice if VS stopped utilising overly saturated HDR (not always but those are clearly exceptions to the rule)

[tenia]

Hiventy's Three Days of the Condor 4k restoration has used the previous HD master grading as a base, because Paramount never gave them any reference element, and they couldn't get anyone relevant within the moviemaking original team (they were either dead or unavailable).

There certainly are other cases. It's not surprising at all, and if I was to, say, do a new restoration of Demme's Something Wild, I'd probably look at the Criterion BD for reference as it's supervised/approved by both the director and the DoP.

Don't forget that theoretically, those are reference results (which are not necessarily very old), but also that not all rightholders have/send reference prints.

And in plenty of cases, I'd argue it'd probably be a good idea to use those when having to deal with a referent who thinks something but actually asked something else only 5 years earlier.

The issue however goes back to VS claims about finally restoring a movie to how it looked in the 80s, while focusing on how it looked on video 30 years later (plus the colorist's own judgment).

[beamish14]

You might be overestimating the availability of good reference prints, especially for the kinds of '70s-'90s films this guy seems to work on for VS. A standard release print would generally not be considered "reference" quality—they were essentially mass-produced and not timed or inspected with the care of something like a master positive. And they'd be very likely faded or discolored by age at this point.

But I guess I can't really speak on the quality of VS's masters. I've only got a few of their discs, and I know others have had complaints about their perceived accuracy and quality.

Absolutely. The “dead zone” period after the end of the I.B. Technicolor process in 1975 and the introduction of more durable safety film stock in 1983 means that a lot of films produced during those years have virtually no good prints in circulation unless their studios struck new ones. That block of time is when a lot of VS’ movies come from as well

[luxta]

I don't believe so. What film is that clip from?

"Lisa, Lusya - What's Your Name?"