Satantango (Artificial Eye & Facets)

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Der Müde Tod
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#176 Post by Der Müde Tod »

ranaing83 wrote:I'm sorry if this has already been mentioned, but I was going to use the DDD sale to purchase the Facets version of Satantango. However, I see that a lot of you are opting for the AE region 2. Why is that, what is wrong with the Facets, improper conversion? Any info would be appreciated.

Almost all Facet DVDs I have seen were extremely poor transfers. A (disputable) exception is Tarr's _Almanach of Fall_ -- here one drawback are burnt-in subtitles. On the other hand, AE has a reputation for creating outstanding transfers. In addition, at some point the Amazon UK price was better than the best option for a Facet price, even when taking shipping from R2 to R1 into account. Finally, this forum is obviously being frequented by people with an elevated state of taste -- going for the most easily accessible fulfillment of once appetite just won't do.
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#177 Post by jon abbey »

the DDD sale doesn't apply to preorders, I'm pretty sure, and the Facets edition is due 11/28. plus it's listing at $48 there, the AE version from Amazon UK is decidedly less than that. factor in the likely quality differences and it's a no-brainer.
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#178 Post by Artois »

Does anyone know of any plans for this to be shown theatrically in London? I've pre-ordered the set but am keen to watch it theatrically first, wonder how long I'll have to wait? Would have thought the NFT would show it they usually seem to programme around major new DVD releases for long-awaited films.
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#179 Post by MichaelB »

The NFT showed it several years ago when it staged the UK's first-ever Béla Tarr retrospective. As far as I'm aware, this is the only theatrical outing it's had in London, and possibly the only one it's ever had in Britain.

Personally, I wouldn't hold your breath for a repeat - without a theatrical distributor in the UK (I believe Artificial Eye only has the video rights), the entire cost would fall on the venue in question, and given the logistics involved (not least paying for the transportation of far more reels than the norm, and having to import them from abroad), it's hard to see how any theatrical screening under the present circumstances could make any money, given the built-in restrictions imposed by the film's length. In other words, even if it sold out at premium ticket prices, you'd still be looking at a thumping great financial loss.

Of course, if Artificial Eye would be willing to subsidise a screening as a promotional exercise for their DVD, that would be a different matter, but I haven't seen any sign of this so far.
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#180 Post by alfons416 »

my Satantango arrived today :)

it's a nice Cardboard box with three thin keepcases inside. looks real nice to me!
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#181 Post by spencerw »

The DVD Times review is now available..

It's not exactly over-enthusiastic about the transfer. I wonder how the AE version compares with the French set from Clavis?
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#182 Post by Nothing »

hmm, mine hasn't turned up yet :|

re: DVD Times, well they both feature the same non-anamorphic transfer from a non-HD source, so my expectations are suitably lowered in that regard.
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#183 Post by zedz »

Arrived today. Very nice looking package, but bare as bare bones gets: not even any liner notes (unless you count a filmography on the back cover of the middle disc). I'll take a look tonight and report back on picture quality.
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#184 Post by Anonymous »

My DVD of SATANTANGO was finally sent out today. I can't wait to see it in pristine quality, being used to the notorious VHS bootleg. It's one of the great pleasures of the cinema and my favorite film of the 90s.
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#185 Post by JanPB »

zedz wrote:Arrived today. Very nice looking package, but bare as bare bones gets: not even any liner notes (unless you count a filmography on the back cover of the middle disc). I'll take a look tonight and report back on picture quality.
Clavis is the same way except 3 discs sit in one box. The DVD Times review indicates the same transfer: no deep blacks, non-anamorphic. One characteristic feature of the Clavis transfer is that the right image corners are rounded.

I wonder if Clavis and AE used the same compressionist. Clavis' bitrate is flat as a pancake and compression artifacts appear now and then. It also varies between progressive and interlaced transfer in an unpredictable fashion. My guess is they split the compression work between a few teams (makes sense for such a long film I guess) but the teams didn't sync up 100% on the compression settings.

And then the same questions all over again with Facets...

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#186 Post by Nothing »

Still no sign :|
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#187 Post by denti alligator »

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#188 Post by JanPB »

denti alligator wrote:Beaver
Aha! So the compression on the Clavis and AE is different! That may be a good sign for AE. 8-)

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#189 Post by zedz »

Had a quick peek at the discs last night (mostly Berling's plum brandy quest), and they look terrific. It sounds a little different from the Clavis transfer. Great blacks, no rounded edge (but this may have been the effect of overscan on my TV). Nice white subtitles, good detail in the image, meagre chaptering (the chapter breaks correspond to the chapters of the film, so some of them are nearly feature-length), but what a delight to have this at last. Now if only I had half a day free to watch it.

Oh, there is a solitary extra on the discs: the same filmography printed on the back of one of the cases.

Anyway, don't hesitate.
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#190 Post by marty »

Just ordered AE's Satantango from Amazon UK so should be here in the next week or so. Having never seen the film, I look forward to seeing the film on one rainy Saturday afternoon in one glorious 7.5 hr viewing.

By the way, the AE DVD is much cheaper than Facets. With freight charges form the UK to Australia the total cost was GBP18 which translates to around A$55 but the Facets DVD cost US$55 without freight charges which is around A$75.
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#191 Post by Anonymous »

I received my DVD yesterday and find the picture quality to be astonishing. It really looks breathtaking and I'm looking forward to the weekend when I will watch the whole film.
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#192 Post by skuhn8 »

Shall we rename this thread "I ordered/received Satantango"?
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#193 Post by Barmy »

How about "I ordered/received/have watched __ hours of Satantango".
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#194 Post by John Cope »

skuhn8 wrote:Shall we rename this thread "I ordered/received Satantango"?
LOL. Yeah, well, I just received mine as well. Wanted to post this though as a quick check seems to indicate that it is indeed a very good quality edition (I haven't seen the Clavis to compare). The moment I used to test it is during the scene with the doctor checking back through his old notebooks. The reason I used that is because it is a very funny visual gag (those who know the scene will know what I'm talking about) and one that was completely ruined on the bootleg version where the pages of his notebook are so bleached out that it is impossible to determine what is there. In all fairness, the pencil marks are rather faint. So, I was very pleased that it sprang off the screen this time around, all the humor still intact.
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#195 Post by Nothing »

Turned up yesterday :)
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#196 Post by JanPB »

John Cope wrote:
skuhn8 wrote:Shall we rename this thread "I ordered/received Satantango"?
LOL. Yeah, well, I just received mine as well. Wanted to post this though as a quick check seems to indicate that it is indeed a very good quality edition (I haven't seen the Clavis to compare).
Clavis is very similar except they used a different compression: progressive in some scenes, interlaced in others. It's constant bitrate too and it suffers from minor compression artifacts in few scenes, a sort of undulation (not really shimmering) of an edge here and there. Unless one wants French subtitles, the AE edition is slightly better (OTOH it has fewer chapter stops).

FWIW: Amazon.co.uk Sales Rank: 512 in DVD

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#197 Post by Michael »

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#198 Post by obloquy »

Unfortunately, I doubt any film reviewers will see this, but I can't help saying it: I believe it is now OK to review this movie without gloating about its length and, therefore, how exclusive its appeal must be. I haven't gotten to see it yet, but for fuck's sake, half the reviews I've seen for it probably wouldn't be much different if it was 7.25 of garbage.
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#199 Post by MichaelB »

obloquy wrote:I believe it is now OK to review this movie without gloating about its length and, therefore, how exclusive its appeal must be.
It would be difficult to avoid discussing these issues, given that the length of the film is a crucial element of its mise-en-scène and indeed raison d'être - Tarr explicitly made the film to be as exclusive as possible, not least because few cinemas would ever be likely to screen it.

Here's an extremely relevant passage from András Bálint Kovács' contribution to Wallflower Press's The Cinema of Central Europe:
Tarr's radical gesture was a challenge for cinemagoers in favour of European culture. It was as if - through shock-therapy - he was trying to lead them back to the recognition of what real film art is about. Black-and-white was the answer to the over-coloured mayhem of today's visual culture. The style of long takes and no cuts was a response to the raging pace sieving from commercials and video clips. Seven and a half hours were a response to today's film style of superficial, quick reactions and subliminal effects. The story of little plot was a response to the action-packed, aggressive plot-structures. Sátántangó in all its elements is an extreme counterpoint to the developments that started in the film culture of the 1990s and remain prevalent today.
As for "gloating", that's the last thing I feel like doing right now. I've had the discs since last week, but am still trying to find a clear seven-hour slot to watch the film in one go - and will probably end up relying on my wife's impending absence (she's away for a week to attend her best friend's wedding), as there's no chance whatsoever that I can do it when she's around! To say that she's likely to be unsympathetic to a film like this is putting it very mildly indeed...

(Thankfully, although I am a professional film critic/historian, I don't actually have to review this film, so don't have to worry about deadlines!)
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#200 Post by John Cope »

MichaelB wrote: I've had the discs since last week, but am still trying to find a clear seven-hour slot to watch the film in one go - and will probably end up relying on my wife's impending absence (she's away for a week to attend her best friend's wedding), as there's no chance whatsoever that I can do it when she's around!
All I can say is, don't let your viewing of Satantango distract you from keeping an eye on that pesky Dermot Mulroney.
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