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I had to shake my head when reading that the flashback sequences were originally planned to be shot on 16mm (the rest of the film is shot digitally) but it was decided not to use 16mm because it was... "out of date"? :shock:

Who the hell told Francis that line? I mean... The Wrestler, an Oscar nominated film, was just shot on 16mm. It's used quite often. Unfortunate.

Anyways.... aside from that, the cinematography looks exceptionally nice and I'm glad someone is shooting B&W (especially digital, which, IMO, beats film B&W... the only place where digital can beat film in aesthetic value). Looks good and I hope to see this. I still haven't seen Youth Without Youth... partially because a WW2 film that featured a giant modern day Hercules aircraft in the trailer had me quite disinterested... subsequent reviews also turned me off. But this I'd like to see.
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#27 Post by Antoine Doinel »

Watch the first three minutes here.
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#28 Post by Ovader »

J. Hoberman says "The presiding deities are Orson Welles, Carol Reed, and early Fellini..."
Dylan wrote:I'll be seeing this in Seattle in a month with Coppola and Gallo in attendance, and you can be sure I'll let everybody know what I think. Looking forward to it!
Did you managed to see the screening this past Wednesday? I believe the tickets were $125!
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Coppola synergizes.
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Ovader wrote:
Dylan wrote:I'll be seeing this in Seattle in a month with Coppola and Gallo in attendance, and you can be sure I'll let everybody know what I think. Looking forward to it!
Did you managed to see the screening this past Wednesday? I believe the tickets were $125!
A 90 minute Reception (wine with Coppola, etc.) + screening + 45 minute Q&A was $125, and there was another option of just the screening and Q&A for $25. I was going to do the entire package, but advance tickets were sold out before I was able to place my order.

Fortunately, I believe Tetro opens in Seattle this coming Friday, and you can bet I'll be there opening day.
"The presiding deities are Orson Welles, Carol Reed, and early Fellini..."
Another review, courtesy of Combustible Celluloid:
One point of reference is Michael Powell and Emeric Pressburger's Tales of Hoffmann (1951), a film that Tetro once showed to Bennie; Coppola splices in clips from the original (in color), and then later borrows that style to show heightened, color ballet and opera flashbacks in Tetro's story. Finally, there's the film's final quarter, which suddenly and drastically changes tone into a phantasmagoric feel, much like Fellini's 8 ½.
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I'm kicking myself, because this is closing in NY tonight after just a month, I think, and I'm too wiped out to make it. I missed out because I was preoccupied with the NY Asian Film Festival for weeks, and now I've missed it altogether. Wish I knew of the DVD release date, or that it had opened wider.
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So, it looks like a box office disaster then. Sad, even though I'm sure Coppola can survive it.
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T99 wrote:So, it looks like a box office disaster then. Sad, even though I'm sure Coppola can survive it.
Coppola was distributing the film himself from my understanding and during the summer time as well which I don't think was wise. Maybe the fall season would have been a better window to reach an audience with this type of film.
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T99 wrote:So, it looks like a box office disaster then. Sad, even though I'm sure Coppola can survive it.
Not only can he survive it, but he mentioned during a recent interview on The Howard Stern Show that these self-funded and self-distributed films basically could make zero dollars and he wouldn't even notice, that they're essentially funded with a very small portion of his profits from his lucrative winery and hotel business. So I wouldn't shed a tear for Coppola money-wise.

Although it is a shame that more people didn't go out to see this film, because he is definately stretching his legs creatively for the first time in decades. The first half of the movie rolls along splendidly, it's visually spectacular (minus the fact that a few select close-ups seem to be shot in some sort of higher definition, it reminded me of those hand-painted close-up drawings during the course of a Ren and Stimpy episode to highlight some sort of grotesque visual) and the story is set up masterfully. The film is never boring through the first act and a half, or so, until we begin to learn Tetro's backstory, and this is where it really goes off the rails. Coppola takes his time in revealing the most awful and dispicable misdeed imaginable committed upon Gallo's character by his father, and he instead decides to give us scenes of "there's only room for one genius in this family!" and some other minor snubs by his father first to butter us up, to the point where I was rolling my eyes at what passes for lousy fathering in this thinly-veiled Coppola family empire. By the time the whole story comes out as to why Tetro has detached himself so bitterly from his family, the audience ceases to care one bit, and has already written him off as a whiny loser stuck in a state of arrested development, much like his character in the infinately more interesting Buffalo '66.

The real story here isn't even Gallo, despite Coppola's love affair with his face throughout the film (and to be fair, he gives a great performance, but it isn't much of a stretch for him or anything.) The other two leads, played by Maribel Verdú and Alden Ehrenreich are the real story here - their performances are richly and fully realized, even when the film goes off the rails in the third act. Ehrenreich, especially, is a foregone conclusion - he'll be the next DiCaprio or Damon in no time flat. No one with those looks and that talent just disappears after doing such a great job with his debut - especially when that debut is in a Coppola film opposite Vincent Gallo, who never manages to upstage his young costar even when he's screaming at him and scrambling his hands at him in anger. It's a shame that the film begins like it was directed by the man who made The Godfather, and ends like it was directed by the man who made Jack. It becomes melodramatic, flabby, and completely knocks down the house of cards it so carefully set up. But it's still hard not to recommend this film, if only for the stunning visuals and its plentiful touching and humorous moments. It's deeply flawed, but it has several flashes of greatness.

All that being said: It's just great to see a filmmaker going back to his roots becuase he's financially able to do so. Guys like Spielberg, Lucas and Zemeckis seem lost in the studio system forever, to the point that it's begun to compromise the quality of their films, but Coppola seems to be thrilled to be rid of it all. After seeing Sam Raimi's Drag Me to Hell earlier this year, I already had a warm spot in my heart for this kind of scrappiness (despite the fact that the latter is not self-funded, it's still a filmmaker playing in the sandbox again after being confined by huge money and huge expectations). Coppola has rediscovered why he started making films in the first place. It certainly shows when a director is enjoying himself, and I'm glad he has found that groove.
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One of the best posts from you, mfunk. Enjoyed reading that.
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mfunk9786 wrote:
T99 wrote:So, it looks like a box office disaster then. Sad, even though I'm sure Coppola can survive it.
Not only can he survive it, but he mentioned during a recent interview on The Howard Stern Show that these self-funded and self-distributed films basically could make zero dollars and he wouldn't even notice, that they're essentially funded with a very small portion of his profits from his lucrative winery and hotel business. So I wouldn't shed a tear for Coppola money-wise.

Although it is a shame that more people didn't go out to see this film, because he is definately stretching his legs creatively for the first time in decades. The first half of the movie rolls along splendidly, it's visually spectacular (minus the fact that a few select close-ups seem to be shot in some sort of higher definition, it reminded me of those hand-painted close-up drawings during the course of a Ren and Stimpy episode to highlight some sort of grotesque visual) and the story is set up masterfully. The film is never boring through the first act and a half, or so, until we begin to learn Tetro's backstory, and this is where it really goes off the rails. Coppola takes his time in revealing the most awful and dispicable misdeed imaginable committed upon Gallo's character by his father, and he instead decides to give us scenes of "there's only room for one genius in this family!" and some other minor snubs by his father first to butter us up, to the point where I was rolling my eyes at what passes for lousy fathering in this thinly-veiled Coppola family empire. By the time the whole story comes out as to why Tetro has detached himself so bitterly from his family, the audience ceases to care one bit, and has already written him off as a whiny loser stuck in a state of arrested development, much like his character in the infinately more interesting Buffalo '66.

The real story here isn't even Gallo, despite Coppola's love affair with his face throughout the film (and to be fair, he gives a great performance, but it isn't much of a stretch for him or anything.) The other two leads, played by Maribel Verdú and Alden Ehrenreich are the real story here - their performances are richly and fully realized, even when the film goes off the rails in the third act. Ehrenreich, especially, is a foregone conclusion - he'll be the next DiCaprio or Damon in no time flat. No one with those looks and that talent just disappears after doing such a great job with his debut - especially when that debut is in a Coppola film opposite Vincent Gallo, who never manages to upstage his young costar even when he's screaming at him and scrambling his hands at him in anger. It's a shame that the film begins like it was directed by the man who made The Godfather, and ends like it was directed by the man who made Jack. It becomes melodramatic, flabby, and completely knocks down the house of cards it so carefully set up. But it's still hard not to recommend this film, if only for the stunning visuals and its plentiful touching and humorous moments. It's deeply flawed, but it has several flashes of greatness.

All that being said: It's just great to see a filmmaker going back to his roots becuase he's financially able to do so. Guys like Spielberg, Lucas and Zemeckis seem lost in the studio system forever, to the point that it's begun to compromise the quality of their films, but Coppola seems to be thrilled to be rid of it all. After seeing Sam Raimi's Drag Me to Hell earlier this year, I already had a warm spot in my heart for this kind of scrappiness (despite the fact that the latter is not self-funded, it's still a filmmaker playing in the sandbox again after being confined by huge money and huge expectations). Coppola has rediscovered why he started making films in the first place. It certainly shows when a director is enjoying himself, and I'm glad he has found that groove.
Thanks for this review. In the end I wasn't a fan of Youth without Youth, though it was absolutely gorgeous. You could get one of those electronic frames, put the movie on a muted loop, and hang it on your wall. Every shot was stunning. However, I felt the story became to convoluted by end and I found myself not caring. The best thing I could say about the film besides the photography was, "well, at least Coppola is trying again". I really wanted to see this as it seemed to be a continuation of this old filmmakers new found zeal for the craft, but time wasn't on my side for getting to the theater, but I look forward to it despite it sounding as if if it has the same problems as YWY. Hopefully, Coppola's next project will be a bang these two films are driving at.
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Does he even have one yet? I vaguely remember hearing that yes, he has another project lined up, but also no, he doesn't.
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I don't know if he has anything specifically, but I do know that Megalopolis is something he has wanted to make for 10+ years now.
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He is currently writing another screenplay which he says will be bigger, more expensive, more demanding, intriguing action based story yet personal in that he always wanted to make that type of film. He says principal photography may start in the fall of 2010.
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I saw this tonight and wanted to love it more than I actually did. As mfunk mentioned, the real pleasure of the film is seeing Coppola flex creative muscles that he probably didn't even know he had. He seems reinvigorated and inspired and it's exciting to watch. Unfortunately, Tetro is plagued by two big problems. The first is Alden Ehrenreich who plays Bennie. He simply can't keep up with Vincent Gallo and Maribel Verdú - his acting is just not up to scratch to the point where in some scenes I wondered if they had even rehearsed. His choices don't feel natural, leaving many scenes feeling emotionally stilted. The second problem is that a big part of the film's thematic arc is
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Tetro confronting one of the most important critics in the country and in the process ridding himself of the need to please her.

This clearly autobiographical note felt way too obvious and really out of place in a story about fractured families and sibling rivalry. The overall narrative could've used some trimming and maybe even some re-ordering, as it does tend to sag in places.

That said, there is still a lot to admire that is worth checking the film out for. The cinematography is often breathtaking, and there are several individual scenes which are just perfect. There is one with Tetro and Miranda in a cafe in the second half of the film in particular that I'm going to remember for a long time.
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I'll cheerlead this one. Finally got to see it and I had no idea what to expect, either from Gallo or from Coppola after YWY - which I clearly must see again since I was baffled despite its beauty - but I was mostly thrilled with Tetro. Yes, it's overwrought and histrionic ("don't look into the light!"), yes, it's a muddle of semi-autobiography, but it really touched and dazzled me. I thought both Gallo and Alden Ehrenreich were wonderful, and Maribel Verdu is always dependably excellent. I would have expected not to buy the sappy end note with Tetro and Bennie, but I did buy it, I loved it.

I thought this was a triumph from one of the old masters, however outsize and crazed an offering, in an age where guys like Sam Raimi can't really get it up trying to stir the old embers with Drag Me To Hell, at least in my eyes. I think if we're going to look at the less-acclaimed, more conventionally 'imperfect' yet beautiful works of other legends, we can stand to look at Coppola's Tetro. Francis just refuses to give up. He isn't out to make Godfather IV or even Gardens Of Stone just so he can be back in grace with one crowd or another. He keeps going and he got me.
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Anybody hear about an American DVD release for this one. Wish to see it again.
Edit: Oh well never mind.
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Good interview with Coppola for the upcoming UK release of Tetro:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2010/jun ... a-guardian" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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I finally watched this last night after putting it off, and I’m stunned that only the iconoclasts at Cahiers du cinema recognized this for the masterpiece it is. This is one of the most beautiful films I’ve ever seen. I was completely and utterly sucked into this film’s self-consciously operatic structure, which never overplays its hand and keeps everything moving with great humor and wonderful, deeply felt performances from everyone on screen, especially the trio of Gallo, Verdu, and Ehrenreich (how… in the world… did this kid never materialize into one of our greatest stars?!). I obviously get way, way more mileage out of unpopular late period Coppola than most, but this felt like watching a lost classic from the heyday of 60s art house cinema, and its beauty moved me deeply and profoundly.

No one was there to tell me with urgency to watch this after it sat in my unearthed stacks for almost 15 years, but now someone is telling you!
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Dom, you may enjoy my friend’s podcast on the film:

https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/t ... 0638702634
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#46 Post by knives »

Seeing this is theaters is still one of my most cherished experiences. The scene leading up to Tales of Hoffmann in particular touched me in a way that undoubtedly has effected my feelings on film since.
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jazzo wrote: Sat Mar 08, 2025 9:43 pm Dom, you may enjoy my friend’s podcast on the film:

https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/t ... 0638702634
Thanks for sharing this, I listened to about 30 minutes of it while cooking yesterday, I'll try to get to the rest soon

One thing I failed to mention in my writeup is that apart from the obvious operatic elements, I was quite taken with the way Tetro is essentially a Liberal Arts version of a boy's adventure story. There's generational trauma, sure, but it still all looks like a great time for the most part, doesn't it? brb moving to Buenos Aires
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#48 Post by therewillbeblus »

That was my takeaway this watch too, and the viewpoint made me appreciate it more - I wasn't quite as enamored on my first viewing where the operatic elements overshadowed the fun. Details in the Fausta scene, for example, contributed a lot of dry amusement as a pitstop along the way of an adventure, and the tactics Coppola uses to mine lore is eclectic and exhilarating. The drama and humor is well-balanced and dispersed, no better than near the end, when
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the formal intimacy in the Big Reveal zooms out to a medium shot, revealing an absurd medieval weapon in the frame. Gallo's delivery of the moment just killed me
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I love the juxtaposition between beauty and pain in this film. Aside from the natural appeal of Buenos Aires, an example like Gallo's witnessing of light reflecting off the glaciers is so powerful, offering a moment of inspiration, sublime, and reprieve, only for it to all come back when at a pitstop. The film captures the Sisyphean experience of cycling back to peaks of harmony and alienation, and the banalities in between, so well that the overarching melodramatic narrative helps to inform these minute beats, rather than the other way around. The weight of the past on the present is absolved through facing instead of running from this cycle's peaks - Gallo having deprived himself of both great experiences and terrible ones as a form of protection. Coppola, in what might be his best film, self-reflexively takes many formal risks to reflect the need for his character to take risk to achieve deep love and grace; the grace that we've been able to see all around him for two hours, waiting for him to access it - Perhaps like the experience of a Higher Power, scanning the scene and patiently standing by while we struggle to locate and sustain such a state. There's a spiritual power to this film that's largely invisible but always present through its potent illustrations in every frame
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