UHD and HDR in General

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#451 Post by nicolas »

Stefan Andersson wrote: Sat Jan 25, 2025 5:57 pm Panic Room 4K screencaps:
https://slow.pics/tmdb/movie/4547
I need to add that right now there aren’t yet caps of the actual 4K Blu-ray, only the Apple TV stream available at the above link. While the streaming caps don’t look too good, they do already reveal new detail that likely wasn’t present in the old 2K DI. As Se7en’s 4K thankfully has the grain intact, here’s hoping that Panic Room turns out the same.
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#452 Post by tenia »

Se7en's 4k remaster clearly went through grain management and artificial sharpening (including sharpening that might have been done through an AI-led tool, and not your usual blanket EE tool).
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tenia wrote: Sat Jan 25, 2025 7:00 pm Se7en's 4k remaster clearly went through grain management and artificial sharpening (including sharpening that might have been done through an AI-led tool, and not your usual blanket EE tool).
Ugh. I’ve stopped following the discussion about the film after seeing the caps (and also haven’t yet received the 4K) but these looked really good compared to the old BD. I assume grain is magnetic and smeary in motion like The Pianist, Alphaville and Paramount’s DigiSmear stuff.
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#454 Post by tenia »

More like inconstant from scene to scene, some good, other processed.
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#455 Post by jheez »

To me, Seven just has a processed look. Not horrible, but a less organic look than what is apparent in the caps. I think it’s light(ish) AI processing if I had to guess. Nothing (horrible) like the Camerons from last year, but not ideal.
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#456 Post by tenia »

jheez wrote: Sun Jan 26, 2025 12:34 amTo me, Seven just has a processed look. Not horrible, but a less organic look than what is apparent in the caps. I think it’s light(ish) AI processing if I had to guess. Nothing (horrible) like the Camerons from last year, but not ideal.
Yes, that's pretty much it. It's kinda not so good, but kinda not atrocious either, just some light-but-still-visible processing that's bothering because it seems superfluous but on the other hand isn't in-your-face either (save for a couple shots that absolutely look processed - there's one of Pitt sitting in the police office that feels just obviously sharpened, and it's so processed that when comparing it to the previous BD, you'd wonder if this shot on UHD is actually sourced from a new master).
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#457 Post by jegharfangetmigenmyg »

So, I'm downgrading my projector setup to a tv one as the family is moving and the man cave must go. LG and Sony are releasing new sets this month, and I was contemplating the Sony (Bravia 8 II) as it compares to their previous flagship A95L. But, as reviews are now landing, it turns out that the Sony is not very good in rooms that aren't completely darkened. At least not compared to the new LG G5. Basically, the LG appears to beat Sony in every instance BUT the color accuracy. Major caveat is this: HDR10 looks crappy on the LG compared to the Sony, however LG is amazing in DV and SDR.

My question is: What is the share of HDR10 only UHD's today compared to HDR10's only? If I'm correct, by far most new releases has Dolby Vision while it was the other way around in the early days of UHD? So, basically, only older UHD would look sub-standard on the LG - I see that some big sellers that only had HDR10 are even being re-released in DV nowadays. If this I'm right that most new UHD all have DV then I can live with this caveat, especially as I'd mostly be watching older SDR HD films on blu-ray anyways.

This is the comparison I looked at: https://www.rtings.com/tv/tools/compare ... 8601/92248
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#458 Post by Finch »

I don't have specific numbers but you are right that UHDs that only have HDR10 make up a pretty small number of the overall share today. Of the major studios, I can only recall WB not using Dolby Vision.
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#459 Post by andyli »

Disney and Universal are not yet DV by default, right?
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#460 Post by jegharfangetmigenmyg »

Thanks! Meanwhile, it appears that the HDR issue has been resolved by a firmware update. Only issue now, comparing LG to Sony is banding that some mention. Should be especially visible white and grey scenes with panning shots. Any LG owners who can comment on this? It's one of my worst memories from the DVD era; the jittery interlaced panning.
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#461 Post by hearthesilence »

Quick question - first, I want to make sure these numbers sound right:

UHD with HDR is capable of displaying a dynamic range wider than 14 stops, much wider than an SDR grade which would be capable of about 6 to maybe 10 stops. Is this correct?

A 35mm exhibition print - say the old method of a film shot on 35mm, from which they grade an IP, then create an IN which is then used to strike the prints projected in a theater - will usually retain maybe 6 to 8 stops from what was actually captured/burned into the original camera negative. Is this correct?

I remember a while back someone explained that 2K was originally seen as a good (and attainable) standard when digital filmmaking for big studio theatrical films was developed because it was roughly equivalent to what an exhibition print actually retained from the original OCN after the inevitable generational loss that comes from grading and striking prints in the analog domain. I'm just wondering if the same logic may have applied to SDR.
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#462 Post by dwk »

Ignite Films ' Bride of Re-Animator is available to pre-order from their site
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· Newly produced bonus features, including a 60-minute documentary
· Extensive legacy bonus features on Blu-ray
· Hardcover book featuring new interviews with Jeffrey Combs, Bruce Abbott, Kathleen Kinmont, and Fabiana Udenio, with an introduction by director Brian Yuzna
· 5 collector art cards
· Rigid box with J-Card packaging

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Getting Ahead of Horror — archive making-of featurette

Meg is Re-Animated — deleted scene with behind-the-scenes footage

Carnival Sequence — the cast and crew discuss this excised sequence
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#463 Post by dwk »

Ignite Films working on 4K restorations of Society, Horror Express, Bloody Birthday, and The Baby
Ignite Films and Eagle Rock Pictures — the team behind last year’s Re-Animator 4K restoration — have announced their slate of genre titles set for 4K restorations in 2027.

Society leads the pack, targeted for an early 2027 release, followed by Horror Express, Bloody Birthday, and The Baby.
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#464 Post by TMDaines »

At my old house until May 2025, we had a BenQ W1110, which we loved watching films on. Never once did I feel like I was missing out on HDR and not being 4K when engrossed in a film, but I have since made the leap to UHD 4Ks, buying and flashing a Panasonic DPUB820 last summer.

We are now starting to think about our "cinema room", the more formal lounge space more decorated to film watching, as opposed to the open plan space next to the kitchen, at our new home. As such I bought a BenQ W4100i open box for a good price during the recent Richer Sounds sale, which I had been eyeing up for a while. I am now having second thoughts before we fully commit and redecorate the room about whether we should make our "cinema room" just have a big TV instead, because of HDR. I just love the romanticism of project movies though. We could also accommodate a 120+ inch screen, and we aren't gonna buy a TV of that size.

In the interim since the move, we've been watching films on our 4K TV in the open plan space. I've enjoyed watching some stuff in HDR, but have been saving most of my UHDs to when we get the new setup sorted. I'd be interested to hear what others did in terms of weighing up home projectors in the age of HDR.
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#465 Post by denti alligator »

I love my Epson (3020? I forget the model), and does do HDR10+ ... and the results are stunning. Watched Lawrence of Arabia last week and was floored by how great it looked. But you have to have a totally dark room. Because the sun doesn't go down until much later during the time of year we watch more movies, I've considered getting a 65" Sony for upstairs. I'm curious about how much of a difference Dolby Vision makes.
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#466 Post by dwk »

MVD is releasing Scorsese’s New York New York on UHD.
2025 4K Scan and Restoration (16-Bit Scan of the Original Camera Negative) of the Expanded Cut of film presented in 2160p in its original 1.66:1 Aspect Ratio in HDR
Introduction by Martin Scorsese (5:36)
Audio Commentary by Director Martin Scorsese and Film Critic Carrie Rickey
Optional English Subtitles
5.1 DTS-HD Surround & LPCM 2.0 Stereo
“New York, New York” International Version (HD, 136 minutes) [Blu-ray Bonus Features Disc]
The New York, New York Stories: Part One (25:31) [Blu-ray Bonus Features Disc]
The New York, New York Stories: Part Two (26:58) [Blu-ray Bonus Features Disc]
Liza on New York, New York (22:09) [Blu-ray Bonus Features Disc]
Alternate Takes / Deleted Scenes (19:14) [Blu-ray Bonus Features Disc]
Commentary on Selected Scenes by László Kovács, ASC (10:14) [Blu-ray Bonus Features Disc]
Photo Gallery [Blu-ray Bonus Features Disc]
Theatrical Teaser (2:07) & Theatrical Trailer (3:27) [Blu-ray Bonus Features Disc]
Reversible Artwork

Set in the celebratory aftermath of World War II, New York, New York follows the passionate and turbulent romance between Jimmy Doyle (Robert De Niro, Goodfellas), a brash and talented saxophonist, and Francine Evans (Liza Minnelli, Cabaret), a gifted and ambitious singer. As they navigate the highs and lows of love, they also pursue their individual dreams in the demanding world of show business. Their relationship is tested by clashing personalities, creative differences, and the pressures of rising fame. Blending stylized musical numbers with raw emotional drama, this classic film directed by Martin Scorsese (The Departed) pays homage to classic Hollywood musicals while exploring the bittersweet cost of ambition. Against the vibrant backdrop of 1940s New York, the city becomes a character of its own--teeming with jazz, heartache, and the pursuit of stardom.

2-Disc Set... DISC 1: Expanded version of "New York, New York" presented in 4K UHD + DISC 2: Supplemental features on Blu-ray disc
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#467 Post by The Curious Sofa »

Looking forward to this, the grain on the Blu-ray of New York, New York always struck me as far too thick.
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