X/Pearl/MaXXXine (Ti West, 2022-2024)

Discuss specific films and franchises
Message
Author
User avatar
DarkImbecile
Ask me about my visible cat breasts
Joined: Mon Dec 09, 2013 10:24 pm
Location: Albuquerque, NM

Re: X/Pearl (Ti West, 2022/2022)

#27 Post by DarkImbecile »

Pearl is a quite an odd, bifurcated experience:

For the first two-thirds of Ti West's prequel to X, I was mildly engaged by the way West gives this WWI-era farmhouse horror comedy (that tired old subgenre) the look of a technicolor cartoon, but more than a little disappointed that it didn't seem to have much in the way of thematic ambition, narrative surprises (given that we know the outlines of this story from X), or even just the kind of gonzo splatter-house insanity the trailer seemed to promise. The film re-introduces Mia Goth's Pearl as a young woman who feels trapped on her parent's farm caring for an invalid father under the cold, critical eye of her mother (portrayed with icy resolve by a very good Tandi Wright); she spends much of her time escaping into fantasies where she receives the adoration, stardom, and luxury she believes she deserves. In addition to dancing for farm animals and feeding the nearby lake's alligator, one of her outlets is the nearby town's theater, where she begins to connect with the projectionist. Goth is fine throughout, but again, I couldn't help feeling like she wasn't being given anywhere near the same kind of opportunity to show off her charisma and talent that West offered her in X.

Even after her poorly-concealed insanity begins to violently bubble to the surface, the film's tone treats this entire exercise like a feature-length easter egg for X... until
Spoiler
Pearl has the opportunity to audition for a small-time traveling dance troupe. Very suddenly, most of the winkingly arch elements drop away, and Pearl takes a sharp left turn deep into the warped psychology of this character, evoking many of the more disturbing elements of Repulsion, Psycho, and The Texas Chainsaw Massacre and — most importantly — giving Goth multiple opportunities to take over the screen. Her reaction to rejection at the audition, a long monologue, and the disquieting final shot all showcase her brilliantly, and combine with her co-screenwriting and producing credits to make this the most impressive work I've seen from her thus far.
Pearl isn't as consistently fun and well-executed throughout as its precursor was, but in unexpected fashion the last half-hour is among West's strongest, most unsettling work, and distinctive enough from what worked in X that it justifies what at first seemed like a campy lark of a prequel — and also notably steps up my excitement for the third entry in this series (there's a brief post-credits teaser for MaXXXine attached to this film).

Finally, I'll note that West really needs to be given the opportunity to make a full-fledged musical — there are a couple of brief moments here built around song and/or dance that are just as notable as the Brittany Snow scene I liked so much in X.
User avatar
therewillbeblus
Joined: Tue Dec 22, 2015 7:40 pm

Re: X/Pearl (Ti West, 2022/2022)

#28 Post by therewillbeblus »

My thoughts on Pearl resemble DarkImbecile's pretty closely, though I was more consistently engaged with the layers of Goth's performance throughout. Even when the film dragged, her eccentricities sold some antisocial gags that would fall flat in another actress' hands (i.e. the objective presentation of her acting out fantasies in real time, culminating in straddling a scarecrow), and even during the more banal chores of her daily routine, she gives a tremendously physical performance in how she carries her body around like an uncomfortable weight. It's not exactly a (visually or thematically) subtle undertaking, but the physicality of those calculated movements is far more impressive than it appears to be- a truly lived-in role, just as much as behind all the elderly makeup in X.

Otherwise, yeah, it's not a particularly exciting film. I loved some of the small formalist-deadpan gags that Ti West likes to implement into his films, especially the perverted Free Willy reference at the dock freeze-framed for the opening title card. But the slow-burn isn't venturing in the direction of conventional horror, despite the action playing by the beats of a classic 70s horror movie as the narrative works toward something else. This all comes to make sense, and fits squarely within the aching impotence from the Pearl we see and empathize with in X's more tender moments. In the long windup, we witness an alienating oscillation between blunt psychopathic behavior and repressed yearning for self-actualization, but only in that last act does the film reveal itself as a character study of cavernous tragic depths.
Spoiler
The extended monologue (which is... outstanding) is a raw, honest disgorging of resentment and sadness around all the inequalities of a branded have-not lifestyle, pains of social immobility, and most importantly, Goth's mental state of being just aware enough of her mental illness but without the power to overcome the gravitational pull of her genetic makeup's violent impulses. She truly does scare herself, and the split-personality segments merge as West and Goth demonstrate a spectrum of sociopathy where one can have surging emotional needs within the confines of psychopathic numbness to others’ worth, uninhibited aggression, and projected torment as a symptom of one’s own suppressed position and negative core beliefs. This speech hit me like a ton of bricks, and I'm not sure I can relate to someone who sits through her confession and doesn't recall personal memories of their own most fragile feelings of social inadequacy infecting self-worth, and the helplessness to ascend such a fatal state of being.
Sign me up for the third installment just to see Goth continue to showcase her diverse talents with the support of a generous filmmaker like West, who seems perfectly happy to lean back and let her take the wheel.
User avatar
therewillbeblus
Joined: Tue Dec 22, 2015 7:40 pm

Re: X/Pearl (Ti West, 2022/2022)

#29 Post by therewillbeblus »

MaXXXine adds slew of players to its cast, including Elizabeth Debicki, Michelle Monaghan, Kevin Bacon, Bobby Cannavale, Lily Collins, and Giancarlo Esposito
User avatar
Monterey Jack
Joined: Fri Jan 12, 2018 5:27 am

Re: X/Pearl (Ti West, 2022/2022)

#30 Post by Monterey Jack »

Ridiculously stacked cast. I hope Ti West sticks the landing, because if he does, this will turn out to be the best horror trilogy since the Raimi Evil Dead films.
User avatar
tenia
Ask Me About My Bassoon
Joined: Wed Apr 29, 2009 3:13 pm

Re: X/Pearl/MaXXXine (Ti West, 2022-)

#31 Post by tenia »

I've never particularly been a fan of the Evil Dead trilogy, so that probably explains what I haven't liked X and only very slightly prefered Pearl (and have thus 0 particular anticipation for Maxxxine).
User avatar
The Curious Sofa
Joined: Fri Sep 13, 2019 10:18 am

Re: X/Pearl/MaXXXine (Ti West, 2022-)

#32 Post by The Curious Sofa »

Apart from them being horror films and a trilogy, I don't see much overlap between the Evil Dead movies and this in terms of style, subject matter and tone. I don't get how it follows that not liking Evil Dead would mean also not liking the Ti West movies.
User avatar
tenia
Ask Me About My Bassoon
Joined: Wed Apr 29, 2009 3:13 pm

Re: X/Pearl/MaXXXine (Ti West, 2022-)

#33 Post by tenia »

I would argue that if both are the best something, they share a certain craft, at least from a moviemaking perspective. They also both share a rather comedic blend with horror, so I would understand then bundling them together and realise that movies displaying this kind of qualities might just, well, not be my cup of tea.

But I don't think there is much more reading to do into my follow up post.
Last edited by tenia on Fri Apr 07, 2023 9:50 am, edited 1 time in total.
User avatar
Monterey Jack
Joined: Fri Jan 12, 2018 5:27 am

Re: X/Pearl/MaXXXine (Ti West, 2022-)

#34 Post by Monterey Jack »

I'm just saying in terms of QUALITY, Not that there's any overlap in style or tone between the Evil Dead and X/Pearl movies. There are very few horror series that deliberately cap themselves with three movies (The Omen is the only other horror "trilogy" I can think of).
User avatar
Mr Sausage
Has Risen from the Grave
Joined: Thu Nov 04, 2004 1:02 am
Location: Canada

Re: X/Pearl/MaXXXine (Ti West, 2022-)

#35 Post by Mr Sausage »

Argento’s Three Mothers trilogy is another, but the last entry is as bad as the first is good…
User avatar
Mr Sausage
Has Risen from the Grave
Joined: Thu Nov 04, 2004 1:02 am
Location: Canada

Re: X/Pearl/MaXXXine (Ti West, 2022-)

#36 Post by Mr Sausage »

Random things I liked about X:

-The fetal crying in the shower trope filmmakers love to do with women? It's done by a guy here, while the woman sleeps like a baby. I chuckled. It strikes me that the director and his girlfriend are in constant role reversal. What we expect Ortega's character to be, he turns out to be.

-Artists often like to include artist characters in their work to express or embody their ideas on what it means to be an artist, etc. Ti West has his filmmaker character be the doofus. He's not especially good at his job (Brittany Snow's character has to point out more creative framings); he's deluded about what he's actually doing on that film set precisely because he's prudish and judgemental; he's suggestible and easily led around by stronger personalities; his first instinct when unhappy is to just run away and strand everyone else, tho' they've been nothing but nice; he's the first death, in kinda unmanly circumstances (murdered by an old woman while standing there offering no resistance).

-The old couple are, among other things, conservative types: disgusted by the open flaunting of things they not only want themselves, but do even more fucked up versions of behind closed doors. The old woman calling the other women whores when she's clearly fucked some guy to death in a dungeon in her basement is pure 'anti-homosexual preacher/politician caught in child abuse ring' hypocrisy.

-Ortega's character is the only one of the filmmakers who has sex purely because it turns her on. The rest do it for non-sexual reasons, from money, to fame, to professionalism. The old couple fuck for pure reasons of lust, tho'.

-The early scene with the alligator was one of the best, and yet most quiet and placid, suspense sequences I've ever seen. I'm disappointed none of the rest of the horror moments matched it.
User avatar
brundlefly
Joined: Fri Jun 13, 2014 4:55 pm

Re: X/Pearl/MaXXXine (Ti West, 2022-)

#37 Post by brundlefly »

User avatar
therewillbeblus
Joined: Tue Dec 22, 2015 7:40 pm

Re: X/Pearl/MaXXXine (Ti West, 2022-)

#38 Post by therewillbeblus »

brundlefly wrote: Mon Apr 08, 2024 2:21 pm MaXXXine trailer
Looks like a more complex Mute Witness in some respects
User avatar
Yakushima
Joined: Mon Dec 01, 2008 5:42 am
Location: US

Re: X/Pearl/MaXXXine (Ti West, 2022-2024)

#39 Post by Yakushima »

I caught a matinee show of Maxxxine at a local theater and really enjoyed it: a brilliant film and a perfect finale to the trilogy. As was the case with the Cornetto Trilogy and Galaxy Quest, and with X to some degree, it does many things better than the genre classics it spoofs or pays homage to. Mia Goth, Kevin Bacon and Elizabeth Debicki were a pure joy to watch.
Spoiler
The only scene I found kind of unnecessary and in poor taste was the demise of Buster Keaton's impersonator.
Don't miss it, if you enjoyed Ti West's previous works.
User avatar
therewillbeblus
Joined: Tue Dec 22, 2015 7:40 pm

Re: X/Pearl/MaXXXine (Ti West, 2022-2024)

#40 Post by therewillbeblus »

I thought it was a relatively fun and fitting sequel, all things considered, but
Spoiler
the reveal of the father was so predictable and they did nothing interesting with it. The whole movie I kept thinking, 'Please just don't go with the obvious, stupid answer, or use it for something novel.' Nope. The only fun elements of the final act were Michelle Monaghan (who should be in everything; come on, Hollywood) kicking ass, and the punchline that Goth may have blown her father's head off and still got off scot-free! I liked the ambiguity over whether that was her fantasy/wish or a reveal of the reality of what occurred.
Cde.
Joined: Sun Dec 02, 2007 10:56 am
Location: Sydney, Australia

Re: X/Pearl/MaXXXine (Ti West, 2022-2024)

#41 Post by Cde. »

The final shot of Maxxxine is sublime - a head spinningly dense distillation of ideas about fame, mortality and horror as an art form. The entire trilogy was elevated just by that moment.
rrenault
Joined: Wed Nov 17, 2010 7:49 pm

Re: X/Pearl/MaXXXine (Ti West, 2022-2024)

#42 Post by rrenault »

X struck me as a relatively pedestrian and by-the-numbers slasher film and, yes, a quasi-remake of The Texas Chainsaw Massacre, which per a reference in Maxxxine seems to have been somewhat intended.

That said, I actually quite enjoyed Maxxxine. I haven’t seen Pearl.

X is very much a horror film whereas Maxxxine seemed to be more of a thriller.
Spoiler
On a side note, I also had mixed feelings about the father reveal, although I wouldn’t say it was “predictable”. Much like a line in the film itself, Maxxxine is intentionally a “B film with A film ideas”, and it succeeds at this to a degree, but you feel like it was looking for an easy way to conclude the whodunnit plot/subplot in order to keep the entire film from getting too convoluted. Now it was predictable Lily Collins would end up dead the second her character said she was invited to a “party in the hills”.
nicolas
Joined: Sat Apr 29, 2023 3:34 pm

Re: X/Pearl/MaXXXine (Ti West, 2022-2024)

#43 Post by nicolas »

MifuneFan at the other forum found something:

X Trilogy: Collector's Edition Box Set


https://shop.a24films.com/products/x-tr ... rs-edition

Image

Image

Image

Image
3-Disc Collector’s Edition Box Set of Ti West’s X Trilogy: X, Pearl, and MaXXXine available in Blu-ray and 4K UHD formats, marking the first physical release of X and Pearl on 4K UHD in the US.

The box set includes a 64-page booklet with a new essay by Jon Dieringer, unreleased concept art, costume sketches, behind-the-scenes photography, original poster and VHS artwork created as set dressing for the films, and more, alongside over 90 minutes of making-of featurettes and new commentary tracks on all three films.

Packaging features a blood-red printed plastic sleeve around a rigid slipcase containing a custom photo-collage 3-disc digibook.
Dolby Vision + Atmos for all three in 4K.
User avatar
Monterey Jack
Joined: Fri Jan 12, 2018 5:27 am

Re: X/Pearl/MaXXXine (Ti West, 2022-2024)

#44 Post by Monterey Jack »

I really detest A24's ludicrously sized packaging. Look at how much bigger this will be than a standard Blu case or steelbook...!

Image

Anything I can't fit on the shelf with my other movies irritates my collector's OCD. ](*,)
User avatar
domino harvey
Dot Com Dom
Joined: Wed Jan 11, 2006 6:42 pm

Re: X/Pearl/MaXXXine (Ti West, 2022-2024)

#45 Post by domino harvey »

I’ve not seen the films but have seen the existing cover artwork for these and I can’t understand why this looks so impressively ugly— is there a thematic reason for this to be this hideous looking?
User avatar
Mr.DarjeelingLimited
Joined: Wed Dec 13, 2023 6:58 pm

Re: X/Pearl/MaXXXine (Ti West, 2022-2024)

#46 Post by Mr.DarjeelingLimited »

What a crappy release of crappy films.
User avatar
The Curious Sofa
Joined: Fri Sep 13, 2019 10:18 am

Re: X/Pearl/MaXXXine (Ti West, 2022-2024)

#47 Post by The Curious Sofa »

domino harvey wrote: Wed Sep 17, 2025 6:31 pm I’ve not seen the films but have seen the existing cover artwork for these and I can’t understand why this looks so impressively ugly— is there a thematic reason for this to be this hideous looking?
It channels pop art screen prints and collage, like 60s Andy Warhol or 70s Barbara Krüger reworking a newspaper porn ad. Their art dealt with consumerism, just like the porn and film industry in this trilogy is about the commodification of people and their bodies. However, I would not pay that kind of money for these films, which are X = fine, Pearl = pretty good and a dud of a closer in XXX.

These cover discussions remind me of the current music thread about people who like non-mainstream films, being surprisingly conventional in their music tastes. Covers are just seen as ugly, with posters not picking up on references to 20th century art, which was conceptual and confrontational rather than aesthetically pleasing and still exerts a big influence on graphic design.
User avatar
domino harvey
Dot Com Dom
Joined: Wed Jan 11, 2006 6:42 pm

Re: X/Pearl/MaXXXine (Ti West, 2022-2024)

#48 Post by domino harvey »

If not liking this makes me basic, so be it. I am tickled at the notion that thinking this is ugly means I don’t understand graphic design though, as if I haven’t seen this kind of shit countless different times in liner notes, art magazines, and show posters. My point is that this seemed to be a series with a home media branding that focused on Mia Goth in various pinup configurations based on, I presume, the plot differences of each respective film, and now it looks like someone rolled their screen press over an old issue of Screw magazine
User avatar
The Narrator Returns
Joined: Tue Nov 15, 2011 10:35 pm

Re: X/Pearl/MaXXXine (Ti West, 2022-2024)

#49 Post by The Narrator Returns »

I’ve only seen MaXXXine of the three (awful!) and it’s entirely in keeping with it to do a clueless and ugly regurgitation of retro aesthetics to no good effect or point.
User avatar
Big Ben
Joined: Mon Feb 08, 2016 4:54 pm
Location: Great Falls, Montana

Re: X/Pearl/MaXXXine (Ti West, 2022-2024)

#50 Post by Big Ben »

domino harvey wrote: Wed Sep 17, 2025 6:31 pm I’ve not seen the films but have seen the existing cover artwork for these and I can’t understand why this looks so impressively ugly— is there a thematic reason for this to be this hideous looking?
There's a weird juxtaposition in the films between genuinely well composed shots and it's pathological commitment to recreating antiquated aesthetics; that is to say the incredibly rough look of a shit 8mm or 16mm camera being used for production of Z grade pornography.

To be more specific I think it's intended to replicate those old black and white newspaper ads for film of a less socially acceptable films which is the aesthetic West was going for throughout the trilogy. Low quality printing job with low quality paper equals this...mess?

I think?
Post Reply