Criterion and StudioCanal

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bad future · #1226 Post by **bad future** » Fri Apr 19, 2019 2:12 am

I wonder if the placement of Nights of Cabiria in the Criterion Channel loading screen is a good sign for them having that one back? Are that and Chungking the only OOP titles in the graphic? (I’ve only got the iOS portrait version. I also see Thief of Bagdad, still awaiting blu ray upgrade, though that’s off topic for this thread...)

Mark L. · #1227 Post by **Mark L.** » Fri Apr 19, 2019 3:03 am

bad future wrote: Fri Apr 19, 2019 2:12 am I wonder if the placement of Nights of Cabiria in the Criterion Channel loading screen is a good sign for them having that one back? Are that and Chungking the only OOP titles in the graphic? (I’ve only got the iOS portrait version. I also see Thief of Bagdad, still awaiting blu ray upgrade, though that’s off topic for this thread...)

I recall the The Third Man being pretty conspicuous on the Roku loading screen...

yoloswegmaster · Thu May 02, 2019 5:40 pm

The Third Man' opens up with the Criterion Collection and Janus logo on the Criterion Channel.

FrauBlucher · #1229 Post by **FrauBlucher** » Thu May 02, 2019 9:11 pm

I wonder why the Janus logo. It’s still touring under Rialto Pictures.

yoloswegmaster · Thu May 02, 2019 9:23 pm

FrauBlucher wrote: Thu May 02, 2019 9:11 pm I wonder why the Janus logo. It’s still touring under Rialto Pictures.

Was it ever with Janus?

FrauBlucher · #1231 Post by **FrauBlucher** » Thu May 02, 2019 9:43 pm

I don’t believe so.

But Janus has teased Ran recently which is also with Rialto, so not sure what’s going on. Maybe Janus secured streaming rights only for these titles.

The Fanciful Norwegian · Thu May 02, 2019 9:56 pm

Janus definitely distributed The Third Man around the mid-'80s, since that's when they went to court against another company selling it (and several other Janus titles, including The Lady Vanishes and The 39 Steps) on video. Interestingly the text of the ruling says that Janus actually owned the copyrights to the stories on which the films were based, the films themselves having lapsed into the public domain. The Third Man copyright was restored in the '90s under GATT provisions and the Criterion DVD/Blus were licensed from Rialto, but perhaps this history has something to do with why the Janus name and logo appears on those editions, as well as the Criterion Channel stream.

FrauBlucher · #1233 Post by **FrauBlucher** » Thu May 02, 2019 10:29 pm

Awesome. Thanks for that. It goes to show how complex a lot of this stuff is.

yoloswegmaster · Fri May 03, 2019 5:07 pm

I emailed a representative from Rialto about the "The Third Man" rights and I got this in response:

Studiocanal is also the owner of The Third Man. As their US theatrical representative, we have all theatrical and non-theatrical rights to it here. Criterion licensed streaming from them and to my knowledge retains those rights only. Why they would add the Janus logo to the film is anyone’s guess.

unclehulot · #1235 Post by **unclehulot** » Sat May 04, 2019 11:56 pm

The Third Man extras on the Criterion Channel are also the old Criterion ones rather than those on the StudioCanal disc, so perhaps their streaming rights include the use of their previous transfer?

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FrauBlucher · #1236 Post by **FrauBlucher** » Mon May 13, 2019 12:39 am

OFFICIALLY RETURNED TO CRITERION
Lola
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Returning to this thread like a kid returning to the toy store window contemplating.

So far based on what Kino has released and what the KLinsider says, the films that are strongly suggested coming back to Criterion:
Army of Shadows
Le Cercle Rouge
Pierrot le Fou
Tales of Hoffman
Peeping Tom
Diary of a Chambermaid

Maybe these will return to Criterion or there is a chance Cohen has swooped in to take them as the KLInsider has said other companies have joined the party:
Le Trou
A Diary of a Country Priest
Forbidden Games
Discreet Charm
Phantom of Liberty
Nights of Cabiria
Variety Lights
The White Sheik
Films of Carlos Saura

Film that wasn't with Criterion but the Kino Insider has said Kino didn't get it even though they wanted it:
The Trial

Prediction: The shitty Lionsgate/SC releases will be replaced by Criterion releases at some point (Ran, The Third Man, Contempt, La Grande Illusion and The Obscure Object of Desire)

Please add to this if I missed something...
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yoloswegmaster · Mon May 13, 2019 12:50 am

The wait for Criterion to announce the upgrades of these titles is killing me.

DRW.mov · #1238 Post by **DRW.mov** » Mon May 13, 2019 3:20 am

I feel like Criterion more than likely would have gotten Discreet Charm and Phantom of Liberty back. Had Kino gotten them they would have released them to coincide with Milky Way and Death in the Garden. That Obscure Object is one of the Lionsgate hold overs, but I can totally see CC fighting to keep the two bigger Buñuels and letting Milky Way slide.

Speaking of unannounced, do we know if Losey’s The Servant is spoken for yet? Seems like one Kino would have jumped all over but they’ve already announced and teased some other Losey titles but I haven’t heard about this one. It also seems VERY MUCH up Criterion’s alley.

FrauBlucher · #1239 Post by **FrauBlucher** » Mon May 13, 2019 9:58 am

My list is from what the KLInsider has said about those specific titles. I haven't seen him mention Bunuel titles specifically. That doesn't mean he hasn't. If there is anyone that hangs on the bluray.com Kino forum (the KLInsider is chatty on that site, not so much here) and knows he has made references to what Bunuel titles they're releasing please post those comments here. And yes The Obscure Object of Desire is part of the Lionsgate fiasco that could makes it's way back to Criterion one day.

Blutarsky · #1240 Post by **Blutarsky** » Mon May 13, 2019 1:08 pm

FrauBlucher wrote: Mon May 13, 2019 9:58 am My list is from what the KLInsider has said about those specific titles. I haven't seen him mention Bunuel titles specifically. That doesn't mean he hasn't. If there is anyone that hangs on the bluray.com Kino forum (the KLInsider is chatty on that site, not so much here) and knows he has made references to what Bunuel titles they're releasing please post those comments here. And yes The Obscure Object of Desire is part of the Lionsgate fiasco that could makes it's way back to Criterion one day.

If I recall correctly I believe KLinsider did state that they had both no other Buñuel’s and not one Bresson.

yoloswegmaster · Mon May 13, 2019 1:36 pm

They also said they had no Fellini's.

Blutarsky · #1242 Post by **Blutarsky** » Tue May 14, 2019 1:53 am

I just caught a screening of Contempt in San Diego and while no signs point to a rerelease, the DCP of StudioCanal’s version is piss poor. I dislike how Delerue’s score is in the wrong key and I really hope August is the month of reprints Of Godard.

dwk · #1243 Post by **dwk** » Mon Jun 24, 2019 5:06 am

According to the packaging shots of the BRD trilogy, Lola is licensed from StudioCanal. So it is officially the first StudioCanal returner.

Edited to add:
Actually Lola appears to be a case similar to The Vanishing, where it is licensed from StudioCanal but Janus/Criterion seem to have never lost the rights. Since Lola was OOP, I guess it would be more accurate to say it is technically the first OOP StudioCanal to return to print since the mass OOP, but it isn't really a returner.

FrauBlucher · #1244 Post by **FrauBlucher** » Tue Jul 02, 2019 10:13 pm

bluray.com poster wrote:Hoping it's Le Deuxième Souffle (1966). Not sure if that's with StudioCanal or not.

KL Insider wrote:It's not with StudioCanal. And I'm sure it's still with Criterion. They just need to release it on BD.

bluray.com poster wrote:Only problem is with Criterion, they have a stockpile of films that they do nothing with. There is a decent chance that a Blu-ray could be years away or never happen. Oh well.

KL Insider wrote:Yeah, but they've been to sit on a title for 5 years, not release it and renew it for an additional 5 years.

Interesting. Does this sound like a complaint about the way Criterion does biz from the KL Insider. :-k

#1245 Post by **swo17** » Tue Jul 02, 2019 10:24 pm

FrauBlucher wrote: Tue Jul 02, 2019 10:13 pm
bluray.com poster wrote:Hoping it's Le Deuxième Souffle (1966). Not sure if that's with StudioCanal or not.

KL Insider wrote:It's not with StudioCanal. And I'm sure it's still with Criterion. They just need to release it on BD.

bluray.com poster wrote:Only problem is with Criterion, they have a stockpile of films that they do nothing with. There is a decent chance that a Blu-ray could be years away or never happen. Oh well.

KL Insider wrote:Yeah, but they've been to sit on a title for 5 years, not release it and renew it for an additional 5 years.
Interesting. Does this sound like a complaint about the way Criterion does biz from the KL Insider. :-k

I could see Kino taking issue with how Criterion releases less than 30 titles a month

FrauBlucher · #1246 Post by **FrauBlucher** » Tue Jul 02, 2019 10:45 pm

Didn't Kino operate the same as Criterion before they started the Studio Classic line?

CSM126 · #1247 Post by **CSM126** » Tue Jul 02, 2019 10:56 pm

Those Criterion assholes, taking time to actually restore and remaster movies instead of shoveling 20 year old tv masters onto Blu-ray. It’s like they have standards or something. Ugh.

tenia · #1248 Post by **tenia** » Tue Jul 02, 2019 11:07 pm

Imagine a market where most indie labels would release 30 titles per month but people would still have the same video budgets.

black&huge · #1249 Post by **black&huge** » Wed Jul 03, 2019 12:00 am

FrauBlucher wrote: Tue Jul 02, 2019 10:45 pm Didn't Kino operate the same as Criterion before they started the Studio Classic line?

I've been familiar with Kino for about as long as criterion. As far back as I can remember (before blu-rays of any kind) they always seemed to lack the level of care that Criterion had even with their dvd releases. As far as I have seen they haven't changed up anything since putting out blus

FrauBlucher · #1250 Post by **FrauBlucher** » Wed Jul 03, 2019 10:02 am

black&huge wrote: Wed Jul 03, 2019 12:00 am
FrauBlucher wrote: Tue Jul 02, 2019 10:45 pm Didn't Kino operate the same as Criterion before they started the Studio Classic line?
I've been familiar with Kino for about as long as criterion. As far back as I can remember (before blu-rays of any kind) they always seemed to lack the level of care that Criterion had even with their dvd releases. As far as I have seen they haven't changed up anything since putting out blus

I was talking strictly volume and not quality. That has always been suspect. I believe Kino would only release a handful of titles at a time much like the other boutiques, right? Since they started the Studio Classic line they've been like a factory

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