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Andre Jurieu · #351 Post by **Andre Jurieu** » Tue Nov 22, 2005 4:55 pm

Not a single vote for Out of Sight (where's Martha when you need her?), Groundhog Day, or A Simple Plan? Damn, that's cold. Even though I don't remember it as well as I should, how about Jesus' Son?

scotty · #352 Post by **scotty** » Tue Nov 22, 2005 5:35 pm

I had Groundhog Day at 52 and Out of Sight at 54. So yes, someone please vote for them.

Kambei · #353 Post by **Kambei** » Tue Nov 22, 2005 6:34 pm

Out of Sight and Groundhog Day are on mine. Yay, comedies!

I also wouldn't mind pushing Election, the best Alexander Payne movie...

#354 Post by **zedz** » Tue Nov 22, 2005 8:44 pm

backstreetsbackalright wrote:
zedz wrote:The two music videos on my list at the moment (things change fast around here) are The Chemical Brothers' "Let Forever Be" (Michel Gondry) and Brian Eno's "Ali Click" (Lefdup / Flash / Eno). I guess I must have been frightened by a kaleidoscope as a small child.
I'm not familiar with the Eno video, but I love Eno. What's it like?

Kaleidoscopic and abstract, with unrecognisable moving image (is that the Sydney Opera House?) broken into pixillated fragments and reflected obsessively back upon themselves. A faxed and smeared Brian pops up from time to time to shout the minimal lyrics, but that's neither here nor there: what's most impressive about the video is how perfectly the pixellated abstraction is co-ordinated to match the music. To my mind, it's one of the best music / imagery blends since the heady prime of Fischinger, and that's why it made my list.

(Hey! there's a fragment of the video here, though it's of one of the less eventful passages - i.e. some of the lyrics are included. Should give you a taste. I've just checked, and the recent Japanese reissue of Nerve Net includes the entire video - does anybody know of a more accessible source?)

While we're on the subject, I've just remembered being very impressed by the video for "This Is Hardcore" by Pulp, but am a bit sketchy on the details.

And as for Wallace and Gromit, I consider The Wrong Trousers just about perfect, and it will figure prominently on my list.

solaris72 · #355 Post by **solaris72** » Tue Nov 22, 2005 8:53 pm

No love for Commingled Containers?

#356 Post by **zedz** » Tue Nov 22, 2005 9:05 pm

solaris72 wrote:No love for Commingled Containers?

Black Ice

denti alligator · Tue Nov 22, 2005 9:14 pm

And as for Wallace and Gromit, I consider The Wrong Trousers just about perfect, and it will figure prominently on my list.

Hear! Hear!

Or is that: here! here! ?

A Close Shave is pretty brilliant, too!

Michael · #358 Post by **Michael** » Wed Nov 23, 2005 12:36 pm

One more week to go from today for the 90s list.

Up to now: myself, kieslowski_67, lord_clyde, yoshimori, pauling, flyonthewall2983, jorencain, scotty, Annie Mall, henryfoool, Andre Jurieu, colinr0380

#359 Post by **zedz** » Thu Nov 24, 2005 8:03 pm

zedz wrote:The two music videos on my list at the moment (things change fast around here) are The Chemical Brothers' "Let Forever Be" (Michel Gondry) and Brian Eno's "Ali Click" (Lefdup / Flash / Eno). I guess I must have been frightened by a kaleidoscope as a small child.

Things do change. I just remembered Gondry's trippy, palindromic video for Cibo Matto's "Sugar Water" - an amazing filmmaking feat and probably his best work of the 90s. Maybe it was rorschach tests rather than kaleidoscopes.

flyonthewall2983 · Fri Nov 25, 2005 7:43 pm

This is likely a no-no, but what film does anyone think will top the 90's list? My money is on Pulp Fiction, or hopefully the movie I chose to be #1 lol.

denti alligator · Fri Nov 25, 2005 7:51 pm

I'll just throw out right now that my no. 1 will be Institute Benjamenta. Am I alone in thinking this one of the finest films ever?

Michael · #362 Post by **Michael** » Sat Nov 26, 2005 5:47 pm

Before anyone asks about the 2000s lists, I've been thinking about it and it will be best if we all stick to the same format to avoid any further confusion: pick the top 50 films and the top 100 films will make the final list as usual.

You have 4 more days to submit your 1990s list. How time flies!

Michael · #363 Post by **Michael** » Sun Nov 27, 2005 5:58 pm

Up to now:

myself, kieslowski_67, lord_clyde, yoshimori, pauling, flyonthewall2983, jorencain, scotty, Annie Mall, henryfoool, Andre Jurieu, colinr0380, dekadetia, Arcadean, Gregory, ola t, clutch44

Kambei · #364 Post by **Kambei** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 7:52 pm

Have we had any previous ruling on versions of films?

Do votes for Apocalypse Now Redux count for Apocalypse Now? How about Bad Santa and Badder Santa? How about the extended versions of The Lord of the Rings movies? (or even the shortened theatrical version of The Barbarian Invasions?)

ola t · #365 Post by **ola t** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 8:05 pm

I think this came up when we were doing the silent era, and what it boiled down to is that since we can never be sure anyway if we've all seen the same versions or not (which version of Metropolis did I see about ten years ago? I've no idea!), you just vote for the film, not for a specific version -- even when radically different versions exist.

#366 Post by **zedz** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 8:19 pm

There's probably an assumption that people are voting for the most complete / most clearly "director-approved" / most recently restored version of a film (e.g. the TV Fanny & Alexander), so unless somebody feels very strongly that they don't want their vote to go to the 'wrong' version, then we should just go with the flow. Michael will know whether people were specifically voting for one version or another of Apocalypse Now or Bladerunner. Of course this will become much more complicated as we enter the era of increasingly capricious alternative cuts in the noughties.

The film that tops my 90s list I've only ever seen in the shorter of its two director-approved incarnations. In that form it's my favourite film of all time, so I'm not sure that I need the extra footage.

Kambei · #367 Post by **Kambei** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 8:42 pm

Sounds like a good plan. I mention The Barbarian Invasions because the shorter version (a favourite of the 00s) is a deeply felt study of death with touching moments of comedy, while the longer version is a comedy with forced moments of seriousness...

At least, that is my opinion.

Michael · #368 Post by **Michael** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 1:22 am

ola t wrote:I think this came up when we were doing the silent era, and what it boiled down to is that since we can never be sure anyway if we've all seen the same versions or not (which version of Metropolis did I see about ten years ago? I've no idea!), you just vote for the film, not for a specific version -- even when radically different versions exist.

I'm with ola t on this. It would make my work a lot easier.

#369 Post by **zedz** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 1:50 am

It's come to my attention that I'm the only person so far to have voted for Satantango. What's up with that? From previous postings on the forum I thought there were a lot of fellow fans around here. Don't tell me we're going to end up with another safe, US-centric top ten.

You can consider this an official call to arms for all the cat-torturing, owl-staring plum brandy tipplers out there.

backstreetsbackalright · Tue Nov 29, 2005 2:28 am

zedz wrote:It's come to my attention that I'm the only person so far to have voted for Satantango. What's up with that? From previous postings on the forum I thought there were a lot of fellow fans around here. Don't tell me we're going to end up with another safe, US-centric top ten.

You cansider this an official call to arms for all the cat-torturing, owl-staring plum brandy tipplers out there.

It shows reasonably on my list (which I'll send in tomorrow). But yeah, people treat it like it's the Holy Grail, and then...

stockton · #371 Post by **stockton** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 3:41 am

zedz wrote:It's come to my attention that I'm the only person so far to have voted for Satantango. What's up with that?

Could it be the relative unavailability of the film? It seems that part of the joke/lore of Satantango is that everyone believes this to be a great film even though very few have actually seen it. My guess is that anyone who managed to put their hands on this one, and sit through all 7.5 hours of it, would put it on their list for the bragging rights alone. I know I would.

Michael · #372 Post by **Michael** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 2:03 pm

Just making sure.

Up to now:

myself, kieslowski_67, lord_clyde, yoshimori, pauling, flyonthewall2983, jorencain, scotty, Annie Mall, henryfoool, Andre Jurieu, colinr0380, dekadetia, Arcadean, Gregory, ola t, clutch44, Penny Dreadful, kambei, souvenir, zedz

Tomorrow is the last day to submit your 90s list.

Andre Jurieu · #373 Post by **Andre Jurieu** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 4:48 pm

Yeah, Colin's post in the Armageddon thread made me realize I totally forgot to vote for The Rock on my 90s list.

Michael · #374 Post by **Michael** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 5:49 pm

Andre, it's not too late to change your list. It wouldn't make much difference because no one has voted for The Rock so far and the deadline is tomorrow.

Andre Jurieu · #375 Post by **Andre Jurieu** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 6:06 pm

Michael wrote:Andre, it's not too late to change your list. It wouldn't make much difference because no one has voted for The Rock so far and the deadline is tomorrow.

Yeah, that's why I'm probably not going to bother. It wouldn't rank very high, so its point total wouldn't even make a difference. Besides, it's just a list.

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