Business Models: Twilight Time vs. Other Boutique Labels

[Moe Dickstein]

So that proves what I was talking about, if you take out Par and Goldwyn, that's 42 of their own titles, which is the lowest since 2007.

You also talk about them doing big titles from Par, of course (and did WB distribute Shane? I thought Par held that one themselves to release) But the problem is at this point they should start going deeper into their catalog not stagnate on "big" releases. Thats why people are frustrated - especially since they are the only ones (with only one exception to date) who won't license out titles they don't want to do to third party companies.

Might I suggest that we amend the name of this thread to "Boutique Label Business Models" or something like that since we've grown out of just discussing TT and Olive here...

[captveg]

So that proves what I was talking about, if you take out Par and Goldwyn, that's 42 of their own titles, which is the lowest since 2007.

Yes, but Warner is responsible for all programming of the disc, which inevitably takes up their manpower/resources for disc authoring. Plus, the Paramount license is for 3 years, so it makes sense that Warner would look to prioritize a good portion of Paramount titles.

You also talk about them doing big titles from Par, of course (and did WB distribute Shane? I thought Par held that one themselves to release) But the problem is at this point they should start going deeper into their catalog not stagnate on "big" releases. Thats why people are frustrated - especially since they are the only ones (with only one exception to date) who won't license out titles they don't want to do to third party companies.

Yes, WB distributed Shane.

I also think their plan is for the Warner Archive to be their "3rd party" distribution business model, but things have clearly not gone as planned in their original WA Blu-ray press release.

I get people's frustration, but a lot of it comes from misinformation. 2012 was Warner's biggest year for catalog releases, even if one takes away the 2 Samuel Goldwyn titles. People were complaining about Warner's catalog output long before 2012.

Might I suggest that we amend the name of this thread to "Boutique Label Business Models" or something like that since we've grown out of just discussing TT and Olive here...

Good call.

[FrauBlucher]

Dr. Adam Jahnke of The Digital Bits wrote a column about TT called The Trouble with Twilight Time.

Nick Redman's snarky response on a radio blog with a guy named Dick Dinman.

I like TT, but am disappointed that Mr. Redman needs to get defensive and childish.

[Erhen]

Dr. Adam Jahnke of The Digital Bits wrote a column about TT called The Trouble with Twilight Time.

Nick Redman's snarky response on a radio blog with a guy named Dick Dinman.

I like TT, but am disappointed that Mr. Redman needs to get defensive and childish.

Having met Mr. Redman, I can tell you that is nothing LOL. IMHO, his partner is the class act in that partnership.

[Gregory]

Dr. Adam Jahnke of The Digital Bits wrote a column about TT called The Trouble with Twilight Time.

Nick Redman's snarky response on a radio blog with a guy named Dick Dinman.

I like TT, but am disappointed that Mr. Redman needs to get defensive and childish.

The Bits column was posted when it came out last month and is in the Business Models thread, which is where this kind of discussion should get posted when there's anything new to say.
EDIT: I see it's now been moved here.

[NABOB OF NOWHERE]

Before this thread gets split I just want to say that that host the sycophantic slime Dick Wad makes Fox News seem like Ed Murrow.

[Erhen]

Before this thread gets split I just want to say that that host the sycophantic slime Dick Wad makes Fox News seem like Ed Murrow.

And that's no doubt exactly why Mr. Redman consented to be interviewed by him.

[Cash Flagg]

From the Blu-ray.com TT thread:

To those who have posted here and sent me so many emails and PMs, here's what's going on in a nutshell: yes, Twilight Time has stopped sending screeners. Mr. Redman has had issues with the fact that (in his perception) so many people here (including some Mr. Redman felt were posting as "official" representatives of the site) post negative comments about his label.

[domino harvey]

Way to shoot yourself in the foot, Twilight Time!

[EddieLarkin]

Vast majority of Blu-ray.com reviews for the label have been very praiseworthy, and more importantly, the caps are always full res and reliably representative of the disc (which cannot be said for most other places).

Very daft move.

[tenia]

Usual move from stupid people that don't understand it won't stop reviews to be done anyway.
It reminds me : some months ago, Les Années Laser, quite a historically important French specialisez magazine on HT material and now BD reviews, started a petition to ask Warner to release The Hobbit on BD in France with a lossless French dub instead of their old DD encode.
What was Warner reaction ? They said they stopped any communication with Les Années Laser and would stop sending them screeners.
What did it change ? Nothing, except they looked for pure a-holes.

It won't do anything else to TT either.
Certainly, it also won't change some of their releases to get sold out. But it certainly won't help with negative comments.

[captveg]

I just think its hilarious how childish everyone is on the blu-ray.com forums regarding this company. It's why the studios have become completely mute about their releases - talking to the fans is just asking to get bit. Even Criterion refuses to engage their consumers unless on their own controlled terms.

If I think a Blu-ray product is worth owning at a price I find reasonable to purchase it at I buy it. The end. And on to the next business transaction between adults.

[tojoed]

Captveg = Nick Redman.

[domino harvey]

To be fair, this thread has almost always been antagonistic towards the label. I held out as long as I could but man they're basically a joke, you know

[captveg]

Captveg = Nick Redman.

Nope.

[tenia]

While I perfectly understand how childish and useless a long rant can get (I mean, at some point, everyone understand everybody's point, no need to endlessely fight about it), I do believe it's incredibly bad reputation to just get mute about what you're doing.

Look at MoC, look at Synapse, they're quite open to discussion about what they're doing and how they're doing it, and it's very appreciated all over the world. Of course, when they screw up, it's duly noted and people start being negative about it, but hey ! That's life. Tough.

But I mean, if you're doing good stuff, you shouldn't have anything to hide. Because that's the only image they're giving by doing this : like they have stuff they don't want people to know.

[Moe Dickstein]

Yeah Nick is not a poster on this site, I can certainly confirm that.

[Gregory]

I think it was a joke.

[Moe Dickstein]

I've had my humor chip deactivated

[domino harvey]

We're no longer sending humor to the brain

[Moe Dickstein]

I'm not Nick either

[Askew]

It's such a shame that Crimes and Misdemeanors will be limited to a 3000 print run. I can't wait for the cheaper international release that will inevitably come out. I'm glad I already have the amazing UK release of Zulu.

[ShellOilJunior]

I hate to think what this means for the rest of the MGM Woody Allen films...

Let's see: MGM/Fox releases the blu it's $14.99

Twilight Time will release it at $34.99 with the same features (none) that MGM would've issued.

I'll buy the blu because I love the film but this is bull shit.

[matrixschmatrix]

Good god! Titus, Thunderbolt and Lightfoot, and Crimes and Misdemeanors!

Doesn't their excuse about not creating features (Sony gets to keep them) not pertain to MGM? Could they theoretically make some for Thunderbolt and Lightfoot?

[ianungstad]

Don't bother. With something like the Allen films they'll probably be released on cheaper blus in other regions. (if they haven't already) Don't give this shitty company your money.