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#1201 Post by Mr Sausage »

Matt wrote:Mulholland Dr and The Curse of Frankenstein - you're kidding me right? Despite domino's usual fastidiousness, I'd sooner believe a tallying error than believe no one else voted for these, especially considering the appearance of other Lynch and Fisher films on the list.
When I rewatched Curse of Frankenstein a couple of years ago I found it a bit hard to get through. Never quite seemed to take off like Fisher's subsequent Lee/Cushing vehicles. I voted for Frankenstein Created Woman instead, which still only made it into the also-rans.

I'm pretty disappointed at Hammer's overall turn out. Only 3 entries, with the first one not showing up until the middle of the list. I can only assume the sheer amount of good stuff ended up splitting the vote (or so one would hope).
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#1202 Post by knives »

It certainly isn't about availability since there's a devil's delight out there on DVD. There is an overwhelming amount of great stuff there though.
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#1203 Post by Matt »

Mr Sausage wrote:
Matt wrote:Mulholland Dr and The Curse of Frankenstein - you're kidding me right? Despite domino's usual fastidiousness, I'd sooner believe a tallying error than believe no one else voted for these, especially considering the appearance of other Lynch and Fisher films on the list.
When I rewatched Curse of Frankenstein a couple of years ago I found it a bit hard to get through. Never quite seemed to take off like Fisher's subsequent Lee/Cushing vehicles. I voted for Frankenstein Created Woman instead, which still only made it into the also-rans.
That's about what I figured. The sped-up reveal shot of the monster is one of my all-time favorite movie moments, but the rest of what comes before and after is not as good overall as some of the later Hammer Frankenstein films.
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#1204 Post by zedz »

Interesting list – thanks Domino! I’m particularly delighted to see City of Pirates rank so high, obviously. And perplexed to see Audition, which I’d figured was one of the axiomatic modern horror movies, rank so low.

Anyway, how my own list got sliced and diced didn’t surprise me much at all, with some of the odder, but well-known and well-liked, choices figuring as also-rans, and most of the orphans being of the generically dubious variety.

My List

I feel the need to point out that, if I was given this list of films and asked to rank them in strict order of preference, the order would look rather difference. For some reason, considering them as horror movies skewed my ranking in its own peculiar way.

1. City of Pirates (Ruiz)
2. The Night of the Hunter (Laughton)
3. Psycho (Hitchcock)
4. Street of Crocodiles (Quay Brothers) – ALSO RAN – this was always going to be marginal, but it’s one of the eeriest films I know. Consider it a trailer for the Animation project
5. Don’t Look Now (Roeg) – I gather that only Sausage’s omission kept this from the number 2 slot?
6. The Cremator (Herz) – Nearly missed the list – clearly more people need to see this!
7. Elephant (Clarke) – ORPHAN – Barely a horror film, I admit, but certainly a horrific one, and one of its jumping off points is the excess of the modern horror movie.
8. Cargo 200 (Balabanov) – ORPHAN - The most terrifying film of the 21st century – you guys need to get onto this pronto!
9. Alien (Scott)
10. The Texas Chainsaw Massacre (Hooper)

11. Oh! I Can’t Stop. . . (Rybczinski) – ALSO RAN – I’m glad somebody else was crazy enough to vote for this. I was very tempted to shuffle this with Alien just so I’d be able to say that this was my highest ranking monster movie.
12. The Spiral Staircase (Siodmak)
13. Vampyr (Dreyer)
14. The Innocents (Clayton)
15. Audition (Miike)
16. Curse of the Cat People (Wise)
17. Hour of the Wolf (Bergman)
18. Demonlover (Assayas) – ALSO RAN – This is one of those films that skirts the edge of the genre, but is much more unnerving than almost everything of the time that hit the bullseye.
19. Klute (Pakula) – ORPHAN - Yeah, I knew this was pushing shit uphill, and when I rewatched it, I certainly didn’t expect to see it as a horror movie, but there you go. At its most basic level (but not its only one, as all of these lists indicate), a horror movie is a film whose set pieces are intended to scare the audience (not make them laugh, make them tense, or make them exhilarated), and that’s what I see here. The film is out of step, horror-wise, with what was just around the corner historically, but it’s quite in line with the post-Psycho model of the horror genre, with its focus on sexual pathology and close identification with the prospective victim, rather than more distanced observation of a cavalcade of victims-of-the-moment.
20. Seconds (Frankenheimer) – ALSO RAN – Weird omission, it seems to me. Did people feel that it wasn’t a horror movie? Did they stop watching before the end?

21. La Cabina (Mercero) – ALSO RAN – TV always runs at a disadvantage, I guess, but this is the kind of WTF gem lists like this are made to excavate.
22. Outer Space (Tscherkassky) – Delighted that this made the list
23. The Decay of Fiction (O’Neill) –ORPHAN – Completely unsurprised that this didn’t.
24. Blue Velvet (Lynch) – ALSO RAN – Now this ranking so low is surprising. Is it a ‘not a horror movie’ call or something? It never occurred to me that it wouldn’t be, since Frank Booth is for me the definitive movie monster of the 80s, and that shot when Kyle McLaughlin looks down the stairwell and sees him staring up at him was the biggest fright I got in a movie theatre that decade.
25. A Page of Madness (Kinugasa) – ALSO RAN – But at least some people have seen it. I guess this slides over into wacko avant garde territory, but so do a lot of fine horror movies.
26. Repulsion (Polanski)
27. Ugetsu Monogatari (Mizoguchi) – ALSO RAN – A film that we’ve been trained to see as something other than a horror movie.
28. Valerie and Her Week of Wonders (Jires)
29. The Boys (Woods) – ORPHAN – This is also a borderline case, I suppose, more in the punishing Alan Clarke vein than that of full-blown horror, but the memory of this film’s last seconds still gives me shivers.
30. To Sleep with Anger (Burnett) – ORPHAN – I completely understand why nobody else would consider this a horror movie, since it brilliantly dances around various genres without settling into any of them, but if you accept one very obvious reading of what’s going on, it’s completely in the horror camp. (And if so, it might just have the best title sequence of any horror movie.) Whether you buy into my classification or not, SEE THIS MOVIE!

31. Straight on Till Morning (Collinson) – ALSO RAN – Already discussed. I’m glad somebody else liked it!
32. Peeping Tom (Powell)
33. The Wicker Man (Hardy)
34. The Boston Strangler (Fleischer) – ORPHAN – Already discussed, and acknowledged as borderline. (But check it out if you’re a fan of Zodiac.)
35. The Host (Bong)
36. The Territory (Ruiz) – ALSO RAN – Not one of my top Ruiz picks, but the only other one I could wrangle into the horror corral.
37. Exorcist III (Blatty) – ORPHAN – Hey, I thought you liked this film? I only sought it out initially because of forum recommendations. And I only really voted for it because of that one great scare (you know the one) – which might be the problem. It certainly falls to pieces at the end when it tries to become a sequel.
38. Eraserhead (Lynch)
39. The Entity (Furie) – ALSO RAN – Already discussed.
40. The Kingdom (Von Trier)

41. The Face of Another (Teshigahara) – ALSO RAN - There are a lot of Japanese New Wave films I find a lot more disturbing (top of the list: Inferno of First Love, which I nearly included in my top ten even though even I couldn’t rationalize it as a horror movie), but this was the only one that sort of fitted in terms of genre. Presumably others disagree, since it ended up on the sidelines with its astral twin Seconds.
42. Invasion of the Body Snatchers (Siegel)
43. Invasion of the Body Snatchers (Kaufman)
44. The Witchfinder General (Reeves)
45. Salo (Pasolini) – ORPHAN – Another of those films that we’re trained to think of as something other than horror, but seriously, how much more horrific do you want it to be? And isn’t the horror genre overpopulated with its mutant, retarded offspring these days?
46. Apaches (MacKenzie) – ORPHAN – Already discussed. If only more ‘real’ horror movies were this terrifying.
47. Masque of the Red Death (Corman)
48. Tetsuo 2: Body Hammer (Tsukamoto) – ALSO RAN I goofed and mis-subtitled this “The Iron Man” when I submitted my list, which I hope didn’t confuse domino and hamper its chances for inclusion.
49. Dr. Phibes Rises Again (Fuest) – ORPHAN – Favoured over the first film (and thus neither made the list) simply because I saw it first and savoured a couple of the grisly deaths more than their equivalent in The Abominable Dr. Phibes.
50. Asylum (Baker) – ORPHAN (after all that) – For sentimental reasons, because I was scared witless as a 10-year-old by the (laughably tame) voodoo sequence.
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#1205 Post by swo17 »

My Top Ten:

01 Vampyr (Carl Dreyer, 1932)
02 The Fall of the House of Usher (Jean Epstein, 1928)
03 The Shining (Stanley Kubrick, 1980)
04 Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde (Rouben Mamoulian, 1931)
05 Eyes Without a Face (Georges Franju, 1960)
06 Riget (Lars von Trier, 1994/1997)
07 Sheena Is a Parasite (Chris Cunningham, 2006)
08 Der Student von Prag (Arthur Robison, 1935)
09 The Dying Swan (Yevgeni Bauer, 1917)
10 There It Is (Harold Muller & Charley Bowers, 1928)

Orphans:

07 Sheena Is a Parasite (Chris Cunningham, 2006) - So was I the only one here to vote for a music video? I can understand people shying away from listing it because of that, but it's short, sweet, and immensely watchable. YouTube

09 The Dying Swan (Yevgeni Bauer, 1917) - This is one of the greatest of all silent films and it did well enough in the pre-20s list so the poor showing here must mean it's a borderline case. Well, for me, the artists' obsession with death in this is certainly flirting with the genre, and the film's dream sequence includes imagery that is some of the first that comes to my mind when I think of "silent horror."

10 There It Is (Harold Muller & Charley Bowers, 1928) - Not particularly scary, I'll grant you, but it qualifies for me on a technicality by virtue of taking place in a haunted house. And when There It Is qualifies for a list, it belongs in the top ten of that list. (You've been warned, animation.) YouTube

12 Sredni Vashtar by Saki (David Bradley, 1940) - I was originally turned on to this amateurish but strangely affecting short by HerrSchreck's praise in an old decades list, so I suppose it's not really an orphan after all. Which is for the best, because orphans are pure evil. YouTube

16 Ravenous (Antonia Bird, 1999) - If the final list could use more of anything, it's cannibals. I also completely love the oddball score for this from Michael Nyman and Damon Albarn.

20 Falling Pink (Robert Spring, 1959) - Okay, I'll grant you, it's not a good movie, maybe not even a movie at all. But it's absolutely terrifying.

21 The Face at the Window (George King, 1939) - Was Tod Slaughter omitted from the syllabus for some reason? This film is such a diabolical delight.

23 He Who Gets Slapped (Victor Sjöström, 1924) - I thought someone here had convinced me that maybe this was a horror film after all (it's all about the creepy clowns) and then here I am all alone with it in the end. In any case, it's a monumental film, regardless of genre.

29 Gremlins 2: The New Batch (Joe Dante, 1990) - Some Dante vote-splitting, apparently.

33 Devil Doll (Lindsay Shonteff, 1964) - As if ventriloquist dolls weren't creepy enough to begin with, wait'll you see them walk.

36 Night on Bald Mountain (Alexander Alexeieff & Claire Parker, 1933) - Great, innovative pinscreen animation. Make sure to see it for the next project. YouTube

42 Rasputin: The Mad Monk (Don Sharp, 1966) - Rasputin gives an insane performance in this as the nefarious Christopher Lee.

46 Lost Highway (David Lynch, 1997) - Most of Lynch's films are only half-horror to me. This is not quite among his best but it felt the most like a full-on horror film to me. Maybe you guys are right about Inland Empire though.

48 Maniac (Dwain Esper, 1934) - Too many cat lovers here, apparently.

50 Color Me Blood Red (Herschell Gordon Lewis, 1965) - It's so sad this guy didn't get to do more paintings, I really liked his work.

Also voted for: The Cremator, Katalin Varga, The Thing (1982), A Page of Madness, Outer Space, The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari, City of Pirates, Oh I Can't Stop!, Mad Love, Juliet of the Spirits, City of the Dead, The Fly, Let the Right One In, The Man with Wax Faces, Surviving Edged Weapons, The Man They Could Not Hang, Freaks, Island of Lost Souls, Häxan, Amer, The Spiral Staircase, Nosferatu (1922), Dracula (1958), The Man Who Laughs, The Woman Who Powders Herself, Cat People, Street of Crocodiles, Pontypool
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#1206 Post by Yojimbo »

zedz wrote:Interesting list – thanks Domino! I’m particularly delighted to see City of Pirates rank so high, obviously. And perplexed to see Audition, which I’d figured was one of the axiomatic modern horror movies, rank so low.

27. Ugetsu Monogatari (Mizoguchi) – ALSO RAN – A film that we’ve been trained to see as something other than a horror movie.

30. To Sleep with Anger (Burnett) – ORPHAN – I completely understand why nobody else would consider this a horror movie, since it brilliantly dances around various genres without settling into any of them, but if you accept one very obvious reading of what’s going on, it’s completely in the horror camp. (And if so, it might just have the best title sequence of any horror movie.) Whether you buy into my classification or not, SEE THIS MOVIE!

45. Salo (Pasolini) – ORPHAN – Another of those films that we’re trained to think of as something other than horror, but seriously, how much more horrific do you want it to be? And isn’t the horror genre overpopulated with its mutant, retarded offspring these days?
I love each of those movies, although I hadn't even considering including the last two.
But the point is well-made about 'Salo'
Perhaps the fact that it was intended to parallel/allegorise the last days of Mussolini and might be considered more history; even of the horrors of 'War'
Speaking of which, have we done a 'War' movies list, because that's a genre thats spawned many underrated cinematic Masterpieces.

I wrestled long and hard with 'Ugetsu': in fact I had been saying to my brother, who's a huge horror fan, that its quite possibly the most beautiful-looking film I've ever seen.
(as things stand I'm already in his bad books for omitting 'Audition')

I much prefer To Sleep with Anger to the considerably more feted 'Killer of Sheep'
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#1207 Post by Yojimbo »

My Orphans

19 Sympathy for Mr. Vengeance (2002)
24 Lady Vengeance (2005)
31 What Ever Happened to Baby Jane? (1962)
41 Histoires extraordinaires (1968)
47 Ninth Gate, The (1999)


I have seen 'Old Boy', and indeed own the complete Vengeance trilogy, but it just seemed far too slick and soulless and calculating compared to the raw, visceral knee-to-the-groin impact of its predecessor, Sympathy for Mr. Vengeance.
There were just so many 'out-of-leftfield' scene choices in the latter movie that disoriented me that I just had to love it. And for a genre whose endings are its lifeblood, sometimes almost its 'sine qua non', this one's ending had me alternately smiling, cheering, and being terrified by.
I had hated all contemporary Korean horror, and most contemporary J-horror, prior to chancing this one, but I don't regret it one bit. And it will probably remain an ever-present in my All-Time Top 100.

'Lady Vengeance' is a different animal, altogether: somehow more 'tender': its something of a cross between a classic 40's 'woman's film': perhaps a modern-day 'A Woman's Face', crossed with the best of the 'Female Prisoner' movies, 'Lady Snowblood'/'Kill Bill One', and with a splash of 'Suspiria' colour-scheme thrown in for good measure.
A wonderful synthesis, though; no mongrel, this.
Its probably more aesthetically perfect than 'Sympathy', but I prefer my rock'n'roll raw, basic, and ballsy.

What Ever Happened to Baby Jane? provided me with a whole rash of nightmares as a 9 year-old, and at various times since. For me its second only to 'Kiss Me Deadly' in Aldrich's 'oeuvre'
While the two Hollywood 'Amazon' were busily trying to gouge each other's eyes out, Momma's boy Victor Buono almost stole the film from right under their noses.
That
Spoiler
final scene on the beach
is the perfect ending to a glorious film
I wonder was it influenced by/homage to
Spoiler
'Sunset Boulevard'?

Of course everybody loves the 'Toby Dammit' segment in Histoires extraordinaires , but the 'William Wilson' segment ain't no slouch either.
And there's something wickedly, but safely, incestuous about the 'fun with Peter and Jane' in their segment.


When I first saw The Ninth Gate I thought 'yeah, minor entry in the elderly Polanski's canon,.....yadda, yadda, yadda', but looking at it a second time recently, perhaps giving it more attention after being delighted by 'The Ghost Writer', I thought its just such brilliantly-paced and directed storytelling; and his judgment of when to scare, and when to draw out the tension, was just so on the money.
I wanted to also include 'The Fearless Vampire Killers' and one or two of his wonderful shorts, - which are included on a great Region Two box-set.
Polanski really does deserve to be revered with all the other giants of the genre, like Whale, Tourneur, and Bava
(but then his greatest film is 'Chinatown')
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#1208 Post by domino harvey »

Histories extraordinaires is not an orphan because I didn't know that was Spirits of the Dead. Remember my gentle reminder to include common titles?
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#1209 Post by Yojimbo »

domino harvey wrote:Histories extraordinaires is not an orphan because I didn't know that was Spirits of the Dead. Remember my gentle reminder to include common titles?
ok
I hope 'Les Yeux Sans Visage' didn't lose out, similarly? #-o
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#1210 Post by domino harvey »

That one I knew
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#1211 Post by Minkin »

Sorry to a few of you, because Amityville Horror, It, Night of the Creeps and Incubus were last minute dropouts from my list. That and There It Is (which I completely forgot about, but should have made a high spot -for being one of the most frightening things I've ever seen).

I'll go the Zedz route and just post my entire list and then bold the orphans or give some heartfelt diatribe about why things should have been higher:

01. Nosferatu (1922)
02. Quatermass and the Pit (AKA: Five Million Years to Earth) (1967)
03. The Blair Witch Project (1999)
04. Inferno (1980)
05. The Wicker Man (1973)
06. Frankenstein Must Be Destroyed (1969) -Also Ran - Thanks Finch for saving this from being an Orphan. Easily the best Frankenstein film made - since it focuses on Dr. Frankenstein, rather than his creation. The ending is also perhaps one of the greatest put to film when coupled with Bernard's chilling score.
07. Island of Lost Souls (1932)
08. The Haunting (1963)
09. Doctor X (1932) - ALSO RAN - Amazed this didn't get higher - it's worth the viewing for the creepy early Cronenberg scene alone (artificial flesh)
10. The Call of Cthulhu (2005) - Orphan - It's a short film from the 2000s with mixed reviews, but I hold it as one of the most atmospheric and scary films made. The only thing to hold against it is your wish that it really was made in the silent era.

11. Horror Hotel (AKA: The City of the Dead) (1960)
12. Invaders from Mars (1953) -Also Ran
13. House on Haunted Hill (1959)
14. Alien (1979)
15. Night of the Living Dead (1968)
16. An Occurence at Owl Creek Bridge (1962) - Here's probably another obscure film. Most will remember it from the Twilight Zone (although it was originally a French film and then brought to America to be shown by Serling. I've always loved the Ambrose Bierce short story and thought this was a superb adaptation.
17. Creature from the Black Lagoon (1954) - No love for the Creature films? I'll admit the other two films in the trilogy are borderline garbage. The original Creature film has always been my favorite of the classic Universal films (yeah, don't start the argument about it not being from the original period. I think everyone considers it the last of the Universal classic monsters).
18. The Birds (1963)
19. The Thing from Another World (1951) -ALSO Ran (I'll stop pointing out my Also rans from here on out)
20. The Fog (1980)

21. Dracula Has Risen from the Grave (1968) - Unlike many of the Hammer Dracula films, the characters aren't so disposable. Also going for it: Atheist dynamic, weird rainbow optical effect used when Dracula is on screen, plus the cheesiest and lamest Dracula resurrection scene ever imagined (priest falling on ice and bleeding into Dracula's mouth - that said it's probably tied with the other Hammer film where the bat flies in and spits blood - for hilarious resurrection scenes).
22. Them! (1954) - By far the best of the 50s giant monster flicks. There's some hilariously awful scenes in a hospital with the drunken guy who wants to be a general (so he can get more booze), but the rest of the film is top grade material. The ants are very well made and pose a genuine threat to the world. Of course it's all just another nuclear bomb made animals big movie, so you can't take it too seriously.
23. Don't Look Now (1973)
24. Fright Night (1985)
25. Kuroneko (1968) - I consider this film superior to Onibaba. I'm surprised nobody else voted for it - especially after all the press it received from Criterion's Bluray last year. Oh well, for those who voted for Onibaba and haven't seen this film, I'd ask you to give it a watch.
26. It! The Terror from Beyond Space (1958) -Most will only know this film as the basis for Ripley's Alien, but it is a well-made 50s sci-fi/horror crossover. The suspense is limited though since the characters have some bizarro vertical space ship that locks at each level.
27. The Lost Skeleton of Cadavra (2001) - I knew this wouldn't make it on anyone's list (especially after someone failed to put it on the first page as my spotlight title). It probably better deserves to be on the comedy list (and I'll push for it then) - but it's too perfect of a parody of every 50s B movie for it not to be on my list.
28. Carnival of Souls (1962)
29. The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari (1920)
30. Horror of Dracula (AKA: Dracula) (1958)

31. The Man They Could Not Hang (1939)
32. Cat People (1942)
33. The Thing (1982)
34. La Cabina (AKA: The Phone Box) (1972)
35. Repulsion (1965)
36. The Blob (1958)
37. Häxan: Witchcraft Through the Ages (1922)
38. Suspiria (1977)
39. Manos: The Hands of Fate (1966) - Yeah, it's probably one of the worst films ever made. For me, it's probably the film that I've seen the most number of times. I find it terribly creepy - what with all of the bizarre motifs and unusual touches. This film is high on atmospheric chills, once you see past the terrible acting and hilarious music.
40. Spirits of the Dead (AKA: Histoires extraordinaires) (1968)

41. I Bury the Living (1958) - Thanks kindly to whoever else included this- thus saving it from the orphanage. I would have ranked it higher if I thought somebody else would have been voting for it.
42. King Kong (1933)
43. Chopping Mall (1986) - After Domino gave it a great review on the first page, I thought that at least he'd be voting for it. I bought this two weeks ago on 8 film pack set (along with Chud 2 and other greats..). This was thoroughly enjoyable - an excellent horror/comedy mix (I like this film's use of the mall better than Dawn of the Dead). I couldn't stop laughing once the robots started using their lasers and going up escalators (I thought they'd be like the Daleks in early Doctor Who episodes). The random Eating Raoul cameo gives you the perfect tone to start the film too.
44. Poltergeist (1982) - It helps that I know where the house exterior was shot at... it's now inhabited by some old couple who like to play up the joke that they live in the Poltergeist house - though the interior is typical old lady decorating. It's perhaps one of my favorite places to take new people to the area - since there is a creepy burned down house a few houses over (perpetuating the curse maybe?) and a long, strange country road nearby as well - odd for a tract housing area. Only the mental hospital from 'The Snake Pit' - which is a University now (only half restored though - so many of the buildings are as frightening as anything you can imagine) can top the Poltergeist house. Ah Ventura County sights.
45. "Twilight Zone" Nightmare at 20,000 Feet (1963) - My favorite Twilight Zone episode. Yeah, it's been overdone and the initial jump-scare has probably lost its merit, but I still love this episode. Shatner's paranoia is tops.
46. The Hills Have Eyes (1977)
47. Godzilla (1954)
48. Paranoiac (1963)
49. Basket Case (1982)
50. The Abominable Dr. Phibes (1971)
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#1212 Post by terabin »

Great list, though of course there are a ton of good films in the Orphans section. Would that we all have had more time to promote our borderline horror and underappreciated submissions. C'est la vie.

Top Ten:

1. Inland Empire - Lynch (2006)
2. The Curse of the Cat People – Fritsch and Wise (1944)
3. Night of the Hunter - Laughton (1955)
4. Psycho - Hitchcock (1960)
5. Juliet of the Spirits – Fellini (1965)
6. The Signalman – Clark (1976)
7. City of Pirates – Ruiz (1983)
8. Hour of the Wolf – Bergman (1968)
9. I Walked With a Zombie – Tourneur (1943)
10. Christine – Carpenter (1983)

Defense of Select Orphans:

10. Christine – Carpenter (1983) - This is my favorite Carpenter film. And one of the most eminently watchable horror films in my list. I watched it for the first time a couple years ago and immediately watched it again. Then a couple weeks later, rented it from the library and watched it twice again. Plays on the tropes of the teen film genre, and like Back to the Future after it and Grease and American Graffiti before it, idolizes the late '50s/early '60s with James Dean rebels and slick cars. Beneath the veneer though, Carpenter suggests, there are the glimmerings of something sinister in this retro obsession. A shiny red car becomes the thing, rather than the means to an end (the end being inclusion in an accepted high school clique). Alienation is cool, but only if you have a group with which to share your alienation. Arnie's transformation: from the nerd to the rebel guy with the girl and the car plays within the genre. But once Arnie becomes the car's puppet, a possessed monster, Arnie has moved into another genre altogether. This is the stuff of the best horror. A reverse Dorian Gray - the more Arnie's car shines, the darker and more cracked is Arnie's psychic condition.

20. Empire of Passion – Oshima (1978) - No love for Oshima's only explicit foray into horror? I love it when my monsters have a bit of ambiguity built into their characters. The attachment that these two murderous lovers have to each other, even if that love has made them do terrible things, is oddly touching near the end of the film. But my favorite moment in the film is during Seki's ghostly rickshaw ride through the fog about an hour into the film. Oshima slows down time and shows the rickshaw driver bounding up and down along the road. Oshima creates a dream like atmosphere as the diegetic sound cuts out and the scores features a tension-filled held note on the violin, ponderous woodwinds, and non-rhythmic, metallic clangs for percussion. We can see blue sky overhead, but the ghost has full control over Seki's immediate, dread-filled surroundings. One of the best filmed kaidans.

31. The Vanishing – Sluizer (1988) - Perhaps not a horror in some people's books. A study of two men's obsessions: Raymond Lemorne, the family-man with a need to act out his devilish philosophy even if it means killing, and Rex Hofman, the widower trying to find closure in his life to his wife's disappearance. The horror for me comes in terms of how methodical Lemorne is in his plans. Lemorne can't emote, can't feel compassion for others, worships ideas at the expense of persons. That's the horror.

33. Dracula: Pages From a Virgin's Diary - Maddin (2002) - A filmed horror ballet set to the music of Mahler. What's not to love? Ballet, as we have learned from Powell and Pressburger, Aronofsky, and here from Maddin, can have a certain vampiric quality about it. Once the dancer gets a taste for the dance under the direction of a vaunted master, it's hard to stop. Maddin uses this idea to beautiful, sumptuous effect, don't you think? Amid the falling snow, Dracula and Lucy's dance in the graveyard is enchanting and horrifying at the same time. Ironic, how Lucy's rescuers are captivated as well, they look on at the dance until Dracula leaves and Lucy returns to her coffin. There can be a dark side to our voyeurism as movie buffs, no? But the imagery, the music, it's all so beautiful!

Loved the discussion and the opportunity to watch so many great scary movies.

Let's do this again sometime!
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terabin wrote:Would that we all have had more time to promote our borderline horror and underappreciated submissions.
A full year plus an additional couple of weeks was certainly enough time. This is such a rich genre, though, so we were never going to approach the kind of consensus we had in previous genre lists.
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domino harvey: I think I may have spotted another error. There are two orphan listings for both "Death Line" and "Raw Meat / Deathline". If this isn't an error on your part writing out the list, then it bumps it up to also-ran status.

My top 10:
1. Dawn of the Dead (George A. Romero, 1978)
There was never any doubt this was going to top my list: if some of the films below seem to be higher artistic achievements, this is nonetheless what I wish for everytime I go to horror films. From its ability to achieve an epic feel from the most modest of means to its knack for juggling so many different tones and genre-elements, this is a film that has so much to offer beyond the pure viscera that invigorates its fanboy constituency. Above all, there's an effortless, accidental poetry to the whole, its zombies being the ultimate embodiment of the pessimism and hopelessness that chips away at us in our daily lives. Romero doesn't pretend to alleviate it, but he gives it a full, frightening catharsis, and maybe that's all we can hope for from art.

2. Vampyr (Carl Theodor Dreyer, 1932)
3. The Fall of the House of Usher (Jean Epstein, 1928)
If Romero's film is what I realistically wish for from the Horror film, these are what I'd like to wish for, but know all to well very few films can achieve. Dawn of the Dead is a nightmare turned reality, these are the nightmare-as-nightmare, the pulsation of primal dread obfuscated behind fog and shadow. Nothing accidental here: this is poetry of the highest order, cinema at its purest state. Analysis may not be futile, but it seems unwanted: the last thing I want to do is unravel the beautiful mystery engulfing these two films.

4. Carrie (Brian de Palma, 1976)
A choice perhaps bolstered by nostalgia, but a choice not very hard to justify. De Palma's technique at its least chaotic and most emotionally potent. Anyone whose been a disaffected adolescent should be able to relate; the intrusion of the supernatural is almost the least horrific thing on display here. I'm simply surprised it didn't place higher.

5. Night of the Living Dead (George A. Romero, 1968)
I originally was going to bump this out of my top 10 because... TWO Romero films! I'm not even sure he's all that innately talented a filmmaker! But the results speak for themselves: this doesn't have the breadth of Dawn..., but as pure, unadulterated, unrelenting terror goes, this is the benchmark by which all other films model themselves. Psycho may have opened the door for a more raw and extreme experience in a movie theater, but this is the film that stormed it, raided the house, then razed it to the fucking ground.

6. The Unknown (Tod Browning, 1927)
Tod Browning's legacy is an unusual one: perhaps no one outside of the German Expressionists had a greater influence in creating the Horror genre. But here's the rub: Browning's films are rarely actually Horror films. Oh, there's Dracula, but I've always felt that it was one of his least -and least characteristic- films, and both as a kid and adult, I've felt it's undone by a lousy and sloppy middle section. Freaks? Fantastic film, but lose the last few minutes and it's a rather textbook melodrama, save for its unusual setting. Devil-Doll? A fun film, but it's ultimately a minor entry in the genre in term of lasting impact. Even the famed London After Midnight and its remake aren't actually Horror. So what is it about the Browning legacy that makes his films so singular and potent to the genre? It's his unwavering fixation on the grotesque and the sadistic, his ability to look at all that is frightening and strange about life and not turn away. I don't know that this film is any more convincing as a horror - I prefer to swipe a term from Auguste Villiers and call his films Cruel Films - but there was no way I was making a list without paying the man proper homage.

7. Suspiria (Dario Argento, 1977)
One of the most successful attempts at achieving what my #2 and 3 accomplish in the "present", not through slavish imitation of technique, but forging forward down new paths. A candy-colored nightmare, it's one that exploits the voyeuristic pleasure of the genre, deigning to find great beauty in the depths of menacing shadows and the crimson glow of blood. Forget logic or narrative harmony: the film's chief pleasure comes from its self-aware glee in constructing its own macabre and twisted scenarios. The film's chief flaw is that its ending can't match its opening, but it's a forgivable one: dreams rarely end where want them to, also, and the best ones always leave us wishing we could fall back asleep and pick up where we left off.

8. I Walked With a Zombie (Jacques Tourneur, 1943)
Another of those "beautiful mysteries" that I love, Tourneur and Lewton take what could have been an absolutely traditional and archetypical horror film (Don't believe me? Go watch 1934's Black Moon, which this film is damn near a remake of), and complicates the course of the narrative and the motivations of characters until all we're left with is unnavigable ambiguity. This will drive some viewers up the wall, but I absolutely love it. Above all, the films communicates an unspeakable sense of loss, sadness and desolation, linking it with its successor The Seventh Victim (which is NOT a horror film!), perhaps the two most unlikeliest masterpieces to be made by a war-time studio. In a land whose very history is one of pain and death, what can be expected from the future? This isn't a film you watch so much as you wander around in.

9. Possession (Andrzej Zulawski, 1981)
Perhaps the most iconoclastic choice in my top 10, this is a movie that simply has to be experienced. Like Suspiria, this is a film that can only work as an absolute assault on the senses, but unlike that film, this can't simply hide behind painterly beauty. This is raw, wounded stuff, with all the restraint of a Diamanda Galás record. And with its uninhibited psycho-sexual trauma, it's something a capstone to the 70s Horror experience. See it with someone you hate.

10. Black Christmas (Bob Clark, 1974)
No one is going to confuse Bob Clark with a Brian De Palma or a Dario Argento, but here he gives the two a run for their money. He may not have their operatic flamboyance, but his attention to detail in constructing and stringing together set-piece makes this perhaps the perfect slasher film. There are smarter, more startling and more potent Horror films, but for pure craftsmanship (and from the most unlikeliest of directors!) it's hard to relate how pleasurable this film is every step of the way. That ending will haunt you for life. I long for the day this and Die Hard knock Miracle on 34th Street and It's a Wonderful Life out of regular rotation on television.

Orphans:
12. Docteur Jekyll et les femmes [aka 'The Bloodbath of Dr. Jekyll'] (Walerian Borowczyk, 1981)
A great director whose still neglected by a critical establishment that has a hard time accepting erotica as art, this makes him perfect for this classic tale of man's darker side taking over. In true carnival barker fashion, he tried selling this film as being based of Stevenson's infamous first manuscript, the one that so shocked his wife, he destroyed it and started anew. For his trouble, he got a lawsuit from the Stevenson estate. But that's the only exploitative touch here: for its running time, this is one of the most poetic, erotic and haunting of all horror films. You missed your chance now, but the 80s list awaits.

22. Who Can Kill a Child? (Narciso Ibàñez Serrador, 1976)
The "evil child" motif taken to its menacing conclusion. A would-be sleaz-o exploitation film, its saved by an absolute taut sense of suspense and dread. An unpleasant premise, for certain, but it never stops taking the question posed by its title seriously. Grim, unapologetic, this is the flipside to something like Battle Royale or Hunger Games, even if it surprisingly comes to some of the same dystopian conclusions.

24. The Bird with the Crystal Plumage (Dario Argento, 1970)
W.T.F? Bava may have invented the giallo, but it's Argento who truly busted it wide open with this Blow-Up influenced shocker. I don't understand why I have to defend this... it should have easily made the list.

28. Mill of the Stone Women (Giorgio Ferroni, 1960)
Am I wrong, but didn't this use to be a forum cult favorite? An Italian gothic horror that almost out-Bavas Bava, with an eye-popping palette that almost anticipates Blood and Black Lace FOUR years later! Equal parts pulpy and poetic, this is an absolute must-see for those who think this kind of film begins and ends with Bava, Corman and Fisher.

29. Arrebato (Iván Zulueta, 1980)
While I am tickled for the high placing of City of Pirates, I couldn't bring myself to classify it as a horror film. Which is odd, considering I had no problem with this similarly-unclassifiable experience. A fever-dream ode to celluloid and drugs (although not necesarily in that order), it's perhaps THE film maudit of Post-Franco Spanish cinema. Drunk on experimental cinema as much as it is on Horror iconography, this is a psychedelic, fetishistic exploration of the power of cinema, powers that can be destructive as much as they can be affirmative (the flipside to the cinema-as-therapy of Vidas en sombras?). Destined to be revived as a "lost masterpiece" somewhere down the line, be the first on your block to see it.

31. White of the Eye (Donald Cammell, 1987)
The great slasher film of the 1980s???? Okay, calling it a slasher is a stretch, and its finale is more Peckinpah than Texas Chainsaw Massace, but Cammell always used genre as a launching point. The results are a chilling, unflinching examination of sanity, violence and, most surprising of all, love and commitment. If you believe the mythology of Cammell as a director so obsessed with death and violence he committed suicide just to watch himself die, this strikes one as his most personal film. Lord knows there aren't many to choose from.

33. A Quiet Place in the Country (Elio Petri, 1968)
Mostly known for his politically-charged dramas and satires, this is, as far as I know, his only foray into horror. Starring real-life couple Franco Nero and Vanessa Redgrave, it's a claustrophobic study of madness in the Polanski vein. Frankly, I like it more than Repulsion. Formally ravishing, multilayered and anchored by a brilliant performance from Nero, this is the sort of art-house Horror this forum should gobble up. When Petri's varied filmography finally gets the recognition it deserves, one hopes this gem won't be lost in the shuffle. The missing link between The Shining and Performance.

34. The Ghost of Yotsuya (Nobuo Nakagawa, 1959)
Another puzzling omission: Nakagawa's career hardly begins and ends with Jigoku, and this strikes me as the most impressively haunting of all his films. An oft-fimed tale, Nakagawa finds the perfect balance between the lurid and the classical, the atmospheric and the visceral. Once that Eclipse set comes out, you'll probably agree.

35. The Fifth Cord (Luigi Bazzoni, 1971)
I don't think all gialli are ipso-facto horror - Le Donna del Lago was the most impressive spotlight I saw for this project, but I knew immediately it didn't stand a chance making my list due to its classification. As such, I almost kept this off my list. But, alas, when in Rome... This is one of the most dazzling and paranoid of all the gialli I've seen, powered by Vittorio Storaro's masterful cinematography, and after seeing the earlier film, I'm convinced Bazzoni may be one of the unsung auteurs of the genre. If you want to know where to go next after Argento and Bava, this is really a great next step.

36. Tower of the Seven Hunchbacks (Edgar Neville, 1944)
Already written about here. An odd mix of ghost story, mystery film and Feuilladian pulp, this is a film that turns out both charmingly effervescent and unexpectedly haunting. The joy of a raconteur spinning his tale from/into knots.

38. Horrors of Malformed Men (Teruo Ishii, 1969)
Already written about here. Another labyrinthine concoction whose pleasure comes from witnessing its gears spinning into overtime to untangle/tangle its narrative. However, this is considerably darker and more perverse than the above. An ero-guro classic that skirts close to schlock, but comes out an uniquely bewildering chinese-box of a film.

39. Rituals [aka ‘The Creeper’] (Peter Carter, 1977)
As fine as Deliverance is, I feel John Boorman's film was bested by two of its "imitators". Walter Hill's Southern Comfort remolded the film into a superior Vietnam War allegory. Carter's Canadian shocker instead, perhaps picking up a hint of The Hills Have Eyes, pushes it straight into Horror territory. The man vs wild-and-a-hostile-populace have been done before and since, but rarely this good.

46. Le moine [aka 'The Monk'] (Adonis Kyrou, 1972)
Like Johnny Got His Gun, this is a Buñuel-scripted dream-project he ultimately abandoned and gave to another director. Unlike Trumbo's film, this is clearly the work of L.B.'s cruel wit. This is Matthew Lewis's classic Gothic novel reimagined as a surrealist fever-dream of blasphemy and perversity. I can't understand it, but somehow Franco Nero made it on my list more than veritable horror icons like Karloff, Lugosi, Lee, Cushing, Price, etc. Say what you will, but he knew how to pick em.

49. Psycho II (Richard Franklin, 1983)
I'll just come out and say it: I'd choose this over its more famous predecessor any day of the week. The continued valorization of Hitchcock's film as one of his masterpieces is somewhat puzzling to me, as it never struck me as top-shelf Hitch. I ain't pretending this is some towering masterpiece, but along with The Stepfather, it's one of the more delightful, well-made and entertaining slashers of the decade. Pretend it's non-canon if you must, but if you haven't seen this sequel yet, you're missing out.

50. The Flesh Eaters (Jack Curtis, 1964)
I knew my final choice had to be a sleazy, trashy drive-in flick from the era before b-horror started meaning pure unpleasantness. There were a few contenders - the famed perversity of The Brain that Wouldn't Die, the utterly demented The Woman Eater. Ultimately, it came down to this landmark "splatter" classic. This could easily be just another worthless piece of shlock, but under the guiding hand of screenwriter Arnold Drake, it plays like a comic book made celluloid. Mixed with its then-shocking, go-for-broke attitude, it's a classic of psychotronic horror.
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Matt wrote:
terabin wrote:Would that we all have had more time to promote our borderline horror and underappreciated submissions.
A full year plus an additional couple of weeks was certainly enough time. This is such a rich genre, though, so we were never going to approach the kind of consensus we had in previous genre lists.
Definitely it was plenty enough time for the purposes of this exercise.
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There's never enough time!
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This really was an impossible list to submit, as there were so many films that I did not have room for that I should have - I apologise to Mr Sausage about Hammer (I'm not a huge fan but tried to represent it with my all time favourite of Quatermass And The Pit, and Scream/Taste of Fear is on my 50-100 list), and I simply forgot about many other essential titles such as The Vanishing, Peeping Tom and Les diaboliques (even Dead Calm!) - there was nowhere I could have placed them without bumping another essential title off my list anyway!

My top ten were:

1. Night Of The Living Dead (1968)
2. The Texas Chain Saw Massacre (1974)
3. Dawn Of The Dead (1978)
4. Psycho (1960)
5. Alien
6. The Haunting (1960)
7. The Seventh Victim
8. Tetsuo II : Body Hammer
9. The Hitcher (1986)
10. I Walked With A Zombie

None really need any explanation, but I would suggest that one of the unsung aspects of horror films, even those above which don't shy away from in your face gore, is the unforgettably weird atmosphere they create for the viewer to in some ways inhabit more vibrantly than the actual characters in the film. Perhaps this is a by-product of filmmakers trying to appeal directly to the audience (and their nerves!) but so many of my favourite horror films have these kinds of lacunae where atmosphere and environment almost entirely take over from narrative: the Lewtons of course; The Haunting; especially that first half of Alien; the house, shopping mall (and further down the list the underground bunker) of the Romero films; the sweltering heat of Texas Chain Saw (I always separate the two words as a tiny way of differentiating this title from the Texas Chainsaw remake!); and the tinted, cold landscapes of Tetsuo II.

Although perhaps the best example is the still desperately underrated Hitcher, as much road movie as horror film, where everything is on the verge of disappearing completely into the emptiness of the landscape (this film also stands in as my vote for Dust Devil, which I also could not find room for, and which certainly must bear some debt to this film!). The towns and people on the road are totally anonymous and instantly forgotten as the narrative powers its way through them (even when a heroine appears to assert her presence, she heartbreakingly pays the price, as do any cops) on its way to becoming a kind of existential dualistic conflict able to work as everything from a cautionary tale, to action film, to race from the devil movie, to an unwanted (or fascinated with) admirer gay panic film (it is not an accident that the hero lights up a symbolic cigarette over the end credits of the film!)

Anway, my orphans are:

17. Ring (1998) - still the most powerful version of the story, more effective, detail focused and touching in almost every department than the Verbinski remake (the remake having two plus points though: Naomi Watts, who is perfect as a replacement for Nanako Matsushima, and the section with the horse on the ferry which was added for the remake - the only part of the unnecessarily Americanised, convoluted overexplanation of the ghost's back story that really works)

23. Candyman - this for my money is the best Clive Barker adaptation, and yet one that totally uproots and re-contextualises the short story (originally based around London tower blocks) to Chicago's Cabrini Green projects. It effectively manages to build up an extremely effective context all of its own before coming to the same 'bonfire night' finale of the story at the end.

There are so many ideas thrown into the mix here that the film is fascinating to mull over long after it is over: gut-based myths versus intellectual, rationalist, measurable research (a favourite part of the film is the lengthy opening of our heroic lead researching into urban myths for her thesis. In a strange way this is the best film I have seen for capturing the sheer excitement of fully immersing yourself into academic investigation and research into a particular subject); the need for myths to keep otherwise unruly people fearful of punishment and in check (this ties into Barker's main preoccupation throughout his work with what could be termed 'dark Gods', ready to severely punish any transgression when they are roused to it); and the fascinating interrelated and complicated messy mingling of class and race (and assumptions around the same) together.

The film also has one of Philip Glass's more underrated scores, wearing its Koyaanisqatsi influence very well in its stunning title sequence, so there is that going for it too!

41. Death Line (aka Raw Meat) - Cold Bishop has already talked about this film in this thread more eloquently than I could.

42. Les Revenants (They Came Back) - The most subtle, almost beaureaucractic, of the recent zombie film revival. I talked about it more here, and this slow burning chiller really deserves to get more recognition.

46. Stagefright: Aquarius - An utterly beautiful film that is simultanteously a nasty, gory slasher film. In a way that perfectly describes not just the tone of the film but the theme too - the beauty and aesthetisisation of violence as on display in the amazing, yet rather bizarre Lloyd Webber-esque play being rehearsed at the beginning of the film, which from the outset is just begging for a new director to enter from the wings, take over the show and re-cast to put on a new display of the true meaning of brutal, but beautifully staged murder!


A few films that I didn't put on my list that I really want to recommend:


The Day of the Beast - a great dark comedy involving the problems of having to be bad to raise the devil, trying to keep your fake-exorcism TV show going in the face of both real devilry and a pyromaniac setting fire to the local tramp population, and the general problems of having a lunatic death metal fan who normally works in a record shop as your third anti-Wise Man in your group! If you think that a protracted sequence involving a large breasted, dim but beautiful young lady being chased around an apartment building so our heroes can take some virgin blood from her as part of their devil-invocation ritual (with the inevitable 'she's no virgin' revelation) sounds amusing, then this is probably the film for you!

The Urotsukidoji series - this is a totally reprehensible series in a lot of ways and not for those faint hearted about demons sprouting penis-like tentacles raping nubile young women, but the sheer, constant nihilism of its events (both on the individual entry level and on the whole closed loop story arc one) makes it one of the bleakest, quite literally inhuman at times and upsetting animations ever made. I highly recommend Jonathan Clement's chapter long synopsis/commentary/reappraisal of the entire series in The Erotic Anime Movie Guide as the best piece of writing on this problematic series. It is a stunning piece of film criticism in its own right, surprising for such a problematic series of films, that teases out a lot of details, parallel and repeated cycles of action throughout the series, and even provides some fascinating justifications for certain scenes while at the same time remaining clear eyed about the limitations of the series and its need to just provide ultraviolent, transgressive scenes of violation throughout for pure titilation reasons. (But what other film would open like the second Urotsukidoji film, with the American President on his space station(!) impassively watching the demon ravaged Earth below before revealing himself to be a demon and going on to molest his private secretary! And this is from a film made in the late 80s, long before any notions of Bill Clinton!)

And I thought that I should put in a word for Rob Reiner's Misery, which I left off my list sure in the knowledge that someone else would have voted for it, and which doesn't seem to have turned up even on the orphans list!
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Cold Bishop wrote:35. The Fifth Cord (Luigi Bazzoni, 1971)
I don't think all gialli are ipso-facto horror - Le Donna del Lago was the most impressive spotlight I saw for this project, but I knew immediately it didn't stand a chance making my list due to its classification. As such, I almost kept this off my list. But, alas, when in Rome... This is one of the most dazzling and paranoid of all the gialli I've seen, powered by Vittorio Storaro's masterful cinematography, and after seeing the earlier film, I'm convinced Bazzoni may be one of the unsung auteurs of the genre. If you want to know where to go next after Argento and Bava, this is really a great next step.
Bazzoni is undoubtedly one of the major (and criminally unsung) Italian horror auteurs (Aldo Lado is a similarly overlooked giallo maker). If I hadn't already voted for La Donna del Lago and L'Orme, both of which, I agree, have a much more slippery foothold in this genre, I would've made a spot for this one. It's not as thematically interesting as the other two (Bazzoni holds back on the conceptual stuff here), but, visually, it's just as stunning, and that final sequence in the house is pretty white-knuckle.
Cold Bishop wrote:29. Arrebato (Iván Zulueta, 1980)
While I am tickled for the high placing of City of Pirates, I couldn't bring myself to classify it as a horror film. Which is odd, considering I had no problem with this similarly-unclassifiable experience. A fever-dream ode to celluloid and drugs (although not necesarily in that order), it's perhaps THE film maudit of Post-Franco Spanish cinema. Drunk on experimental cinema as much as it is on Horror iconography, this is a psychedelic, fetishistic exploration of the power of cinema, powers that can be destructive as much as they can be affirmative (the flipside to the cinema-as-therapy of Vidas en sombras?). Destined to be revived as a "lost masterpiece" somewhere down the line, be the first on your block to see it.
I did actually watch this one on your recommendation, but wasn't moved to write about it here. I thought it was pretty dull; its unvarying, monotone grunginess becomes wearisome. I never use this word, in fact I kind of hate to use it now because it comes with a lot of anti-intellectual baggage, but fuck it: this is one of the rare movies I honestly feel is pretentious. I don't think this film has any clear idea of what the power of cinema is. I think it has a kind of vague, fetishistic worship that it confuses for actual ideas, so we get a lot of rambling about film's awe-inspiring, addictive properties, but no conceptual-framework behind any of it. When the camera starts swallowing things, I wasn't astonished, I thought "of course". With no framework to lend things an inescapable logic, the movie can start throwing in whatever plot points it wants. I think there could've been an interesting exploration of film-as-absence vs film-as-production, say; but as it stands, I'm not sure what Zulueta is trying to say about film (besides comparing it to drugs, I guess). Maybe it's that I'm no longer interested in semi-mystical, semi-metaphysical paeans to things I like, but the movie didn't work for me. It's obscurantist rather than simply being obscure (and I do like movies that are obscure). Sorry. I did really enjoy a lot of your other recommendations in this thread, tho'.
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My complete Top 50: I suppose the fact that 9 of my Top 15 dates from 1935 or earlier, and that only two of my 50 were produced in the 21st Century, might suggest I'm a 'traditionalist', but I think there's plenty there for all tastes.
I mean, how many fans of the original 'King Kong' also love Tetsuo II: Body Hammer?
(and I was fortunate to see the latter film on the big screen)


1 Nosferatu, eine Symphonie des Grauens (1922)
2 Night of the Living Dead (1968)
3 Don't Look Now (1973)
4 Bride of Frankenstein (1935)
5 Shining, The (1980)
6 Repulsion (1965)
7 Psycho (1960)
8 Black Cat, The (1934)
9 King Kong (1933)
10 Freaks (1932)
11 Island of Lost Souls (1932)
12 Cabinet des Dr. Caligari, Das. (1920)
13 Vampyr - Der Traum des Allan Grey (1932)
14 Witchfinder General (1968)
15 Frankenstein (1931)
16 Brood, The (1979)
17 Suspiria (1977)
18 Black Sunday (1960)
19 Sympathy for Mr. Vengeance (2002)
20 Rosemary's Baby (1968)
21 Cat People (1942)
22 Dead Ringers (1988)
23 Hour of the Wolf (1968)
24 Lady Vengeance (2005)
25 Eraserhead (1977)
26 Tetsuo II: Body Hammer (1992)
27 Curse of the Cat People, The (1944)
28 Carnival of Souls (1962)
29 Near Dark (1987)
30 Innocents, The (1961)
31 What Ever Happened to Baby Jane? (1962)
32 Yeux sans visage, Les (1960)
33 Dracula (1931)
34 Tenant, The (1976)
35 Kill, Baby, Kill (1966)
36 Seventh Victim, The (1943)
37 Wolf Man, The (1941)
38 Martin (1977)
39 Dead of Night (1945)
40 Pit and the Pendulum (1961)
41 Histoires extraordinaires (1968)
42 Face of Another, The (1966)
43 Shivers (1975)
44 Birds, The (1963)
45 Mad Love (1935)
46 Bay of Blood (1971)
47 Ninth Gate, The (1999)
48 Onibaba (1964)
49 Cat People (1982)
50 Circus of Horrors (1960)
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#1220 Post by zedz »

Cold Bishop wrote:22. Who Can Kill a Child? (Narciso Ibàñez Serrador, 1976)
The "evil child" motif taken to its menacing conclusion. A would-be sleaz-o exploitation film, its saved by an absolute taut sense of suspense and dread. An unpleasant premise, for certain, but it never stops taking the question posed by its title seriously. Grim, unapologetic, this is the flipside to something like Battle Royale or Hunger Games, even if it surprisingly comes to some of the same dystopian conclusions.
I must apologize to you, sir. I fully intended to vote for this, and I even remember adding it to my list after I saw it. But when I reconstructed that list after the first version evaporated / disintegrated / went off sulking somewhere it slipped my mind completely.

Still, what more appropriate film to be orphaned?
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#1221 Post by domino harvey »

Cold Bishop wrote:domino harvey: I think I may have spotted another error. There are two orphan listings for both "Death Line" and "Raw Meat / Deathline". If this isn't an error on your part writing out the list, then it bumps it up to also-ran status.
Weirdly, searching for "Death Line" doesn't return results for "Deathline"-- fixed and thankx!
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#1222 Post by Mr Sausage »

Tarpilot wrote:34 Short Night of the Glass Dolls (Aldo Lado, 1971): Cheers, I assume, to Sausage?
Nope, wasn't me. I actually prefer Who Saw Her Die? (which I didn't find space for anyway). I think colinro0380 probably voted for it. He's a big fan.
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#1223 Post by colinr0380 »

Yes, I had it as my number 26 choice. (It had to unfortunately stand in for the whole giallo genre in my list, and in the process of making really harsh cuts I knocked Who Saw Her Die? out just because I had the similar Don't Look Now in there!)
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#1224 Post by tarpilot »

Cold Bishop wrote:49. Psycho II (Richard Franklin, 1983)
I'll just come out and say it: I'd choose this over its more famous predecessor any day of the week. The continued valorization of Hitchcock's film as one of his masterpieces is somewhat puzzling to me, as it never struck me as top-shelf Hitch. I ain't pretending this is some towering masterpiece, but along with The Stepfather, it's one of more delightful, well-made and entertaining slashers of the decade. Pretend it's non-canon if you must, but if you haven't seen this sequel yet, you're missing out.
This was actually one of the very last cuts I made. It's a masterful horror film burdened by its connection to a classic, but I think that predicament pushes Franklin towards a pretty rich exploration of movie iconography. Perkins' own Psycho III is initially fascinating in that respect, and it looks terrific, but a couple of boneheaded twists undermine its every interesting facet and it just completely collapses in its final moments.
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#1225 Post by Siddon »

1. The Thing (1982) John Carpenter
2. House on Haunted Hill (1958) William Castle
3. Deep Red (1979) Dario Argento
4. 28 Days Later (2002) Danny Boyle
5. Session 9 (2001) Brad Anderson
6. Invasion of the Body Snatchers (1956) Don Siegel
7. Alien (1979) Ridley Scott
8. Halloween (1978) John Carpenter
9. The Shining (1980) Stanley Kubrick
10. Night of the Living Dead (1968) George Romero

And the orphans, some of which are just bewildering. I'm the only person that voted for It, how did that happen.
12. Aliens (1986) James Cameron
14. Scream (1996) Wes Craven
16. The Awakening (2011) Nick Murphy
20. Abominable Snowman (1957) Val Guest
21. Rear Window (1954) Alfred Hitchcock
24. The Poughkeepsie Tapes (2008) John Erick Dowdle
28. Stephen King's It (1990) Tommy Lee Wallace
30. Cold Prey 2 (2008) Mats Stenberg
33. The Children (2008) Tom Shankland
34. Behind the Mask: The Rise of Leslie Vernon (2006) Scott Glosserman
36. Cold Prey (2006) Roar Uthaug
42. Insidious (2010) James Wan
43. Phenomena (1985) Dario Argento
45. Dead Snow (2009) Tommy Wirkola
46. The Vampire Bat (1933) Frank R. Strayer
48. The House on the Edge of the Park (1980) Ruggero Deodato
49. The Dead Girl (2008) Marcel Sarmiento
50. Goke, Body Snatcher from Hell (1968) Hajime Sato
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