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[GringoTex]

Most represented directors in 70s list:

Altman 5
Herzog 5
Scorsese 4
Coppola 4
Fassbinder 4
Allen 3
Bergman 3
Bertolucci 3
Tarkovsky 3
Bunuel 3
Roeg 3

[Andre Jurieu]

Beg to differ about what? (Or did you extract the wrong quote?) I was just pointing out that Michael's '100 best' collation runs to over 150 films. The 100th film on the list was actually Four Nights of a Dreamer (now, with the recovery of Two English Girls, I guess it would be Small Change), so everything from Network on is officially an also ran (though I'm far more interested in that group than in the Allens, Kubricks and Coppolas that dominate the official list).

Zedz has a point. If you look back to the previous lists, they only run to the 100th film (unless there is a tie for #100). So the list should go like this...

27. The Exorcist (Friedkin, 1973), 248
That Obscure Object of Desire (Bunuel, 1977), 248
29. Le Cercle Rouge (Melville, 1970), 247

... instead of ...
27. The Exorcist (Friedkin, 1973), 248
That Obscure Object of Desire (Bunuel, 1977), 248
28. Le Cercle Rouge (Melville, 1970), 247

[redbill]

Not to be picky, and maybe this was discussed earlier in the thread in prior lists, but there are actually more than 100 in this list. Typically when ranking anything in case of a tie you skip a number. For example:

27. The Exorcist (Friedkin, 1973), 248
That Obscure Object of Desire (Bunuel, 1977), 248
28. Le Cercle Rouge (Melville, 1970), 247

should be:

27. The Exorcist (Friedkin, 1973), 248
That Obscure Object of Desire (Bunuel, 1977), 248
29. Le Cercle Rouge (Melville, 1970), 247

Thanks for all the work in putting the list together!

[Michael]

My god! I never noticed that. I can't apologize enough for this confusion. First experience for me. The 80s list will be much easier for me now that I've gained a bit of experience. Thank you all so much for your understanding and patience.

[Michael]

The 70s List:

1. Annie Hall (Allen, 1977), 522
2. Nashville (Altman, 1975), 512
3. Barry Lyndon (Kubrick, 1975), 446
4. Taxi Driver (Scorsese, 1976), 442
5. Cries and Whispers (Bergman, 1972), 432
6. Chinatown (Polanski, 1974), 429
7. Aguirre the Wrath of God (Herzog, 1972), 407
8. The Godfather II (Coppola, 1974), 395
9. The Conformist (Bertolucci, 1970), 388
10. Mirror (Tarkovsky, 1975), 387
11. The Discreet Charm of the Bourgeoisie (Bunuel, 1972), 380
12. The Marriage of Maria Braun (Fassbinder, 1979), 364
13. A Clockwork Orange (Kubrick, 1971), 361
14. The Godfather (Coppola, 1972), 353
15. Days of Heaven (Malick, 1978), 348
16. Ali: Fear Eats the Soul (Fassbinder, 1974), 321
17. Apocalypse Now (Coppola, 1979), 307
18. Don't Look Now (Roeg, 1973), 292
19. The Conversation (Coppola, 1974), 289
20. Amarcord (Fellini, 1973), 286
21. McCabe & Mrs. Miller (Altman, 1971), 283
22. Eraserhead (Lynch, 1977), 279
23. Stalker (Tarkovsky, 1979), 271
24. Manhattan (Allen, 1979), 261
25. Badlands (Malick, 1973), 256
26. Star Wars (Lucas, 1977), 251
27. The Exorcist (Friedkin, 1973), 248
That Obscure Object of Desire (Bunuel, 1977), 248
29. Le Cercle Rouge (Melville, 1970), 247
30. Last Tango in Paris (Bertolucci, 1972), 242
31. Alien (Scott, 1979), 217
32. A Woman Under the Influence (Cassavetes, 1974), 216
33. 3 Women (Altman, 1977), 204
34. Autumn Sonata (Bergman, 1978), 199
35. Solaris (Tarkovsky, 1972), 197
36. Mean Streets (Scorsese, 1973), 195
37. Walkabout (Roeg, 1971), 194
38. The Deer Hunter (Cimino, 1978), 186
39. Grey Gardens (Maysles, 1975), 174
Spirit of the Beehive (Erice, 1973), 174
41. One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest (Forman, 1975), 173
42. Death in Venice (Visconti, 1971), 168
43. Salo (Pasolini, 1976), 164
44. Scenes From A Marriage (Bergman, 1973), 163
45. Jaws (Spielberg, 1975), 157
46. The French Connection (Friedkin, 1971), 156
47. Gimme Shelter (Maysles, 1970), 154
The Yakuza Papers: Battles Without Honor & Humanity (Fukasaku, 1973), 154
49. Carrie (DePalma, 1976), 150
The Last Picture Show (Bogdanovich, 1971), 150
51. F For Fake (Welles, 1974), 141
52. Desperate Living (Waters, 1977), 131
53. In a Year of 13 Moons (Fassbinder, 1978), 121
54. Lancelot du Lac (Bresson, 1974), 118
55. Picnic at Hanging Rock (Weir, 1975), 117
56. All That Jazz, (Fosse, 1979), 116
57. Casanova (Fellini, 1976), 113
58. M*A*S*H (Altman, 1970), 111
59. The Outlaw Josey Wales (Eastwood, 1978), 110
60. Close Encounters of the Third Kind (Spielberg, 1977), 105
The Enigma of Kaspar Hauser (Herzog, 1974), 105
Paper Moon (Bogdanovich, 1973), 105
63. The Devils (Russell, 1971), 101
The Emigrants (Troell, 1971), 101
65. Straw Dogs (Peckinpah, 1971), 100
66. The Tenant (Polanski, 1976), 98
The Tin Drum (Schlondorff, 1979), 98
68. Dog Day Afternoon (Lumet, 1975), 95
Halloween (Carpenter, 1978), 95
70. Celine and Julie Go Boating (Rivette, 1974), 93
71. All the President's Men (Pakula, 1976), 93
Arabian Nights (Pasolini, 1974), 93
A Walk Through H (Greenaway, 1978), 93
74. Dawn of the Dead (Romero, 1978), 92
75. Two English Girls (Truffaut, 1971), 90
76. The Long Goodbye (Altman, 1973), 88
77. The Mother and the Whore (Eustache, 1973), 88
78. Two-Lane Blacktop (Hellman, 1971), 87
79. Hearts and Minds (Davis, 1974), 86
80. Zabriskie Point (Antonioni, 1970), 84
81. Effi Briest (Fassbinder, 1974), 81
82. The Passenger (Antonioni, 1975), 79
83. Suspiria (Argento, 1977), 76
84. Young Frankenstein (Brooks, 1974), 73
85. Chloe in the Afternoon (Rohmer, 1972), 72
86. Performance (Roeg and Cammell, 1970), 71
87. Hypothesis of the Stolen Painting (Ruiz, 1979), 70
Killing of a Chinese Bookie (Cassavetes, 1976), 70
89. The Bitter Tears of Petra von Kant (Fassbinder, 1972), 69
Life of Brian (Jones, 1979), 69
Love and Death (Allen, 1975), 69
The Texas Chainsaw Massacre (Hooper, 1974), 69
93. Blazing Saddles (Brooks, 1974), 68
Claire's Knee (Rohmer, 1970), 68
It's Alive (Cohen, 1974), 68
Nosferatu (Herzog, 1976), 68
97. Being There (Ashby, 1979), 67
98. 1900 (Bertolucci, 1976), 66
99. Monty Python and the Holy Grail (Jones, 1975), 64
Small Change (Truffaut, 1976), 64

[flambeur]

Most represented directors in 70s list:

Altman 5
Herzog 5
Scorsese 4
Coppola 4
Fassbinder 4
Allen 3
Bergman 3
Bertolucci 3
Tarkovsky 3
Bunuel 3
Roeg 3

I only see 2 Scorsese?? Taxi Driver, Mean Streets

[Michael]

I only see 2 Scorsese?? Taxi Driver, Mean Streets

There were four Scorseses on the list before I had to revise it just now. The other two were New York, New York and The Last Waltz.

The new most represented directors in '70s list:

Altman 5
Fassbinder 5
Coppola 4
Allen 3
Bergman 3
Bertolucci 3
Herzog 3
Tarkovsky 3

Halloween is the deadline for the 80s list. Is everyone okay with that?

[ola t]

Halloween is the deadline for the 80s list. Is everyone okay with that?

Uh, so when is that, exactly -- late October or something? (I'm sure to an American that must sound completely hilarious, like asking when Christmas is, but I'm pretty sure our own sort-of-equivalent-of-Halloween holiday is on a different week from yours, and it's hard enough for me just to keep track of that one!)

Thanks, Michael -- good work!

[backstreetsbackalright]

Halloween is the deadline for the 80s list. Is everyone okay with that?

Uh, so when is that, exactly -- late October or something?

October 31st.

[lord_clyde]

I have to admit I was surprised that Barry Lyndon was ranked so high. I never realized it was so well loved, in fact I've never heard anything positive about it.

I suppose it's time to give it a rental. . .

[kieslowski_67]

Beg to differ about what? (Or did you extract the wrong quote?) I was just pointing out that Michael's '100 best' collation runs to over 150 films. The 100th film on the list was actually Four Nights of a Dreamer (now, with the recovery of Two English Girls, I guess it would be Small Change), so everything from Network on is officially an also ran (though I'm far more interested in that group than in the Allens, Kubricks and Coppolas that dominate the official list).

Anyway, I'd love to hear more about Shinobugawa in the aforementioned thread.

My bad. Extracted the wrong quote.

I just defended "Shinobugawa" in the "defend your darling" thread. It definitely belongs to my top 7-8 favorite Japanese movies of all time (probably have watched over 500 Japanese movies so far and still have a long way to go).

[mikeohhh]

Dammit, I should have voted. Did anyone vote for The Mother and the Whore??

[mikeohhh]

Wait, fuck, it was #77.

[Dylan]

Dammit, I should have voted. Did anyone vote for The Mother and the Whore??

The problem is that it really needs a DVD release, and that's why few have seen it. I'm a big Jean-Pierre Leaud fan, and I really hope that it comes out within the next year (I wonder if a criterion release is possible?).

[lord_clyde]

. . .but no Man Who Fell to Earth?

I think it would have made the list if the deadline had been one week later because of the Criterion release. Like many of these films, having the film readily available on r1 or all region dvd helps the cause.

[zedz]

Dammit, I should have voted. Did anyone vote for The Mother and the Whore??

Mes petites amoureuses got my futile Eustache vote instead.

[flambeur]

Dammit, I should have voted. Did anyone vote for The Mother and the Whore??

#22 on my list =D>

[Matt]

. . .but no Man Who Fell to Earth?

I think it would have made the list if the deadline had been one week later because of the Criterion release. Like many of these films, having the film readily available on r1 or all region dvd helps the cause.

But it's already been released a number of times in R1. It's not like it was completely unavailable. I put 3 Roeg films on my list, but not this one. I just don't like it that much.

[lord_clyde]

. . .but no Man Who Fell to Earth?

I think it would have made the list if the deadline had been one week later because of the Criterion release. Like many of these films, having the film readily available on r1 or all region dvd helps the cause.

But it's already been released a number of times in R1. It's not like it was completely unavailable. I put 3 Roeg films on my list, but not this one. I just don't like it that much.

Out of curiosity, were the other R1 dvd releases the uncut 139 minute version?

[zedz]

. . .but no Man Who Fell to Earth?

I think it would have made the list if the deadline had been one week later because of the Criterion release. Like many of these films, having the film readily available on r1 or all region dvd helps the cause.

But it's already been released a number of times in R1. It's not like it was completely unavailable. I put 3 Roeg films on my list, but not this one. I just don't like it that much.

Snap! (Presumably the same three.) Though Lord Clyde is probably right that the Criterion mystique would have increased its chances. That effect is certainly in evidence elsewhere on the list. I'm sure, for example, that if Three Women had been released in an identical edition, at the same time, by a different company, it would have struggled to make the list. (This is not to knock the film, by the way - it was my highest-ranked Altman).

[Michael]

The deadline for the 80s list remains the same: October 31st.

Up to now:

myself, kieslowski_67, Annie Mall

[Ishmael]

Michael, I have a suggestion. Since everyone always says "Damn, I forgot to put [insert favorite movie of all time here] on my list! How rediculous can I be?", perhaps it would be useful if everybody could post their preliminary list here. After seeing each other's lists, we could all then revise ours and email the final draft to you. This might cut down on a lot of afterthoughts.

[backstreetsbackalright]

Michael, I have a suggestion. Since everyone always says "Damn, I forgot to put [insert favorite movie of all time here] on my list! How rediculous can I be?", perhaps it would be useful if everybody could post their preliminary list here. After seeing each other's lists, we could all then revise ours and email the final draft to you. This might cut down on a lot of afterthoughts.

I dunno. That will probably lead to more 'Everyone's got Nashville in their top 5, so I'm gonna just leave it off my list' situations than anything else. I presume that after we get through the 00s, we'll start over again and ratify the lists one at a time, which will give us all the opportunity to benifit from others' lists.

[Ishmael]

I dunno. That will probably lead to more 'Everyone's got Nashville in their top 5, so I'm gonna just leave it off my list' situations than anything else.

But since no one would know what someone else's Final list looks like, they would delete it from their own list at their peril. Same thing if the reverse happens: "Everyone's got Nashville too low, so I'm putting it at number one." Well, if everyone does that, the list is going to be awkwardly skewed. The only sensible solution would be to place titles where you really want them to go and not try to second guess what everyone else is going to do. However, you could certainly add titles you forgot about or that you thought were part of a different decade if you saw them on other lists. Also, any debate about whether a title is appropriate could be done before the lists are finalized.

[Andre Jurieu]

Why not just post the lists alphabetically until the deadline? That way certain films get mentioned as a reminder, but no one has to think about positions. If someone has Nashville on their list and notices it's mentioned by a bunch of other people, they won't exclude the film since they don't know if Nashville is ranked higher or lower by other members. I'm thinking about this far more than I should, considering I'm not even sending in lists.