Archived Criterion Streaming Discussion

[jwd5275]

I know the Android phone app (and likely the iphone one too) allows you to sort by director like the old website used to do....

[BillWatkins]

They added Takeshi Kitano's Sonatine (1993).

[jwd5275]

Sonatine is on the Miramax channel....

[BillWatkins]

For some reason it's showing up on the Criterion channel as well...

http://www.hulu.com/search?q=Criterion+ ... 3ASonatine" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Siddon]

One of the ways to fix the glitch is to just put all the titles you haven't seen in your queue, then organize by date/alphabetical and that helps.

[stagefright50]

One of the ways to fix the glitch is to just put all the titles you haven't seen in your queue, then organize by date/alphabetical and that helps.

Because that seems super easy...

The new PS3 app is crap too. Every time I go to the Criterion page it turns into a jumbled mess. Also, during the middle of Naruse's Wife, the movie froze and then resumed as The Emperor Jones. Hopefully we can get some fixes quick.

[Siddon]

One of the ways to fix the glitch is to just put all the titles you haven't seen in your queue, then organize by date/alphabetical and that helps.

Because that seems super easy...

The new PS3 app is crap too. Every time I go to the Criterion page it turns into a jumbled mess. Also, during the middle of Naruse's Wife, the movie froze and then resumed as The Emperor Jones. Hopefully we can get some fixes quick.

If you used Flickchart, you can go to the franchise tab Criterion of Hulu and that gives you a master list, you can rank them to keep track of what you have or haven't seen. You can do it by film maker, date, and genre.

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There isn't an "easy" way out of this problem but unless you want to go back to Netflix this is your best option.

[jwd5275]

A Boring Afternoon, Passer's Pearls of the Deep short is up now

[ryannichols7]

oh man, big new additions

The Flavor of Green Tea Over Rice
Boy
India: Matri Bhumi
Le coup du berger

possibly more?

[sinemadelisikiz]

Yes, lots more, just to name a few:
Brothers and Sisters of the Toda Family
Walk Cheerfully
Stromboli
Voyage to Italy
L'Amore

[htshell]

Paris nous appartient with Le coup du berger on a release? Timed to coincide with a 5 blu-ray box for OUT 1? Let's do this!

[SpiderBaby]

Maria Braun and Veronika Voss is up (no Lola yet, but hopefully a sign of a new BRD re-release). Come on Lili Marleen.

[Cinephrenic]

Great to see a final official confirmation of the Rossellini-Bergman films. Hopefully, Europa '51 isn't holding the set up. It is not listed.

[Minkin]

Some more were added/missed by the above people:

With Beauty and Sorrow (Masahiro Shinoda, 1965)
Stakeout (Yoshitaro Nomura, 1958)
Somewhere Beneath the Wide Sky (Kobayashi, 1954)
The Snow Flurry (Kinoshita, 1959)
The Young Rebels (Kinoshita, 1980)

I know it's a hassle, but I find it alot easier/better to at least include the director or perhaps the year when bringing up the Hulu additions. Yeah, it's OCD, but it makes for a better overview, plus it probably helps Cinephrenic out (using you as a scape goat). Thus:

Brothers and Sisters of the Toda Family (Ozu, 1941)
Walk Cheerfully (Ozu, 1930)
The Flavor of Green Tea Over Rice (Ozu, 1952)

Stromboli (Rossellini, 1950)
Voyage to Italy (Rossellini, 1954)
India: Matri Bhumi (Rossellini, 1959)
L'Amore (Rossellini, 1948)

Boy (Oshima, 1969)
Le coup du berger (Rivette, 1956)

I still wonder what C's plans are for Kinoshita. Does any other director have as many films owned by Janus or released by Criterion? The newest additions bring his total up to 34 films. Either Eclipse will have a $500 boxset (I imagine similar to the Kluge set), or most of these will never get any release.

Lastly, on the Rossellini/Bergman set, aren't we also missing: Siamo Donne, La paura, and Giovanna d'Arco al rogo. I'd imagine that they'd also show up eventually.

[albucat]

Probably some sort of Eclipse set in the future, but I wouldn't bet on much more than that. Some things will never be available except for streaming. The fact that they are easily available in subtitled editions is really enough for me.

[Perkins Cobb]

Some major additions there. Thanks to Minkin for saving me a few extra clicks as I fill in my "someday I'll throw in the towel and stream these" spreadsheet.

Snow Flurry is an extraordinary film that might turn around some of the Kinoshita doubters.

There's also a Kinoshita retro coming up later this year in New York, at Lincoln Center, but Criterion/Hulu seems to have made it redundant (especially if, as I suspect, many of the films will screen on DCP).

[The Fanciful Norwegian]

Boy is huge news, since it suggests they've finally cracked whatever issues that kept Oshima's ATG films off of (non-Japanese) home video.

[FerdinandGriffon]

Boy is huge news, since it suggests they've finally cracked whatever issues that kept Oshima's ATG films off of (non-Japanese) home video.

Shinoda's Himiko is also an ATG production, and that's been up for a while. So it looks like the floodgate might just be a trickle right now.

[Peacock]

I always though the Oshima ATG's were bunched together though, rightswise.

If so, for the record for anyone who doesn't know, the other Oshima titles this could (in my opinion) very likely mean Criterion now have are:

Band of Ninja
The Ceremony
Death by Hanging
The Catch
Dear Summer Sister
Diary of a Shinjuku Thief
The Man Who Left his Will on Film
The Rebel

[zedz]

My understanding is that the rights for various ATG films long ago reverted to the individual directors, so there will be different issues according to whose film it is, but, as Peacock notes, if one title by a director is available, all the others will theoretically be available as well.

If there is a 'common denominator' problem with ATG films, it's more likely to be with the elements, but the available evidence suggests that there's good material for all of these films.

One caveat for Peacock's list above: Diary of a Shinjuku Thief was some kind of weird co-production with the Kinokuniya Book Store, which may complicate the rights situation somewhat (and also makes for one of the most bizarre product placement / corporate publicity situations in film history - "Come to our store! We'll let you shoplift! If you're lucky, our CEO might even interfere in your sad, stunted sex lives!")

EDIT: Actually, The Catch and The Rebel were pre-ATG studio films as well, as I recall. Tep, The Rebel was Toei. The Catch was independent, I think, but definitely well before ATG.

[Peacock]

EDIT: Actually, The Catch and The Rebel were pre-ATG studio films as well, as I recall. Tep, The Rebel was Toei. The Catch was independent, I think, but definitely well before ATG.

Thanks for your correction zedz... Kinda upsetting though as those were the only two I missed during the big retrospective a few years back... and if these aren't part of the ATG, Janus or documentary group (possibly something Icarus might consider doing, what with their Imamura set?) then who knows if we'll ever see someone pick these up and give 'em English friendly releases.

[zedz]

The Rebel is probably the most 'at risk' title in those terms, since it's definitely an odd one out amongst his 60s output and probably his straightest film of the decade (still great, though). It would be a weird choice for a standalone release, but it could work in an Eclipse set if Criterion happened to have some other period films from Toei.

[Cinephrenic]

Great filmography. Hopefully Criterion has rights to this catalog. We could see a wave of Japanese new wave cinema.

[Murdoch]

Icarus Films is releasing A Man Vanishes along with other Imamura titles, so count that out.

[jwd5275]

One caveat for Peacock's list above: Diary of a Shinjuku Thief was some kind of weird co-production with the Kinokuniya Book Store, which may complicate the rights situation somewhat (and also makes for one of the most bizarre product placement / corporate publicity situations in film history - "Come to our store! We'll let you shoplift! If you're lucky, our CEO might even interfere in your sad, stunted sex lives!")

Diary of a Shinjuku Thief is available on other streaming services in the US other than Hulu, so the rights can't be so complicated that it is preventing a region 1 release.