onedimension wrote:...she's had a certain narrowness to her experience...
...as if aping awkwardness is the trick she's found to charm adults and parties...
...she's under-curious, not enough interested in the world outside herself...
I shouldn't fault her for her background and the fact that she's "writing what she knows," I just don't think she's very good at it. Exceedingly one-dimensional stuff. She may get quite a bit better, but the stuff from this era will not age well at all. (Also, I think we have enough Seth Rogens and hipster variations thereof running around already.)
I think a lot of my personal venom also comes from the fact that she simply will not stop doing stupid interviews about being sooooo sooooo awkward OMG guys you have no idea how awkward I am with boyz, I may sound like a curmudgeon but "Clueless" was awesome and I saw it when I was ten and they don't make them like that anymore, I put the word "Vagina" in four episode titles because it's super-edgy and I like to say "vagina" at the café a lot because it surprises people to hear that word and they haven't watched last night's "2 Broke Girls," etc. haha awkward guyz
About all I can say to that is: if you need to put words in her mouth, you've lost the argument; and, When people are being interviewed over and over for different sites and publications they can tend to give similar answers to similar questions, so, unless you're a fan or really excited about the show, don't read multiple interviews about it?
And I thought the word "Vagina" was just in one episode title of the ones announced so far, not four. You either don't know very much about this show at all, or you've really done some homework on it!
Gregory wrote:About all I can say to that is: if you need to put words in her mouth, you've lost the argument; and, When people are being interviewed over and over for different sites and publications they can tend to give similar answers to similar questions, so, unless you're a fan or really excited about the show, don't read multiple interviews about it?
And I thought the word "Vagina" was just in one episode title of the ones announced so far, not four. You either don't know very much about this show at all, or you've really done some homework on it!
I'm speaking more about her interviews in general, not about this show, and while I admit the above is not a direct quote, that's a sort of stylized amalgam of her public comments. Maybe her Twitter feed is less grating.
She did do a specific brief interview about the show in which she said that "four" episodes were titled "Vagina _________," although I admit I haven't researched that point on the IMDb or anything.
It's certainly possible that they decided to include the word "vagina" in an inordinate number of the episode titles, which sounds like it could be funny to me. Maybe they'll outdo NewsRadio for ridiculous naming of episodes (in the second season the writers just started naming each one after a Led Zeppelin album titles).
Does anyone else think that this films biggest problem is that it sets itself too much in "now"? Like 10 years from now everybody will still understand "Silence of the Lambs" (not that the films are similar) but Tiny Furniture has so many website references that it might have to be screened with booklet explaining what the web sites were...
Gregory wrote:(in the second season the writers just started naming each one after a Led Zeppelin album titles).
Now that was funny, and random. I suppose I can't blame her for Whitney Cummings but it completely feels like blurting "vagina" on an American sitcom has run its course as a source of humour.
prokosch wrote:I suppose I can't blame her for Whitney Cummings but it completely feels like blurting "vagina" on an American sitcom has run its course as a source of humour.
Nearly a decade ago, John Waters suffered from the same illusion when he made A Dirty Shame, which has quite a few lines of dialogue that are clearly intended to be funny but which only work if you genuinely think that the word "vagina" is hilarious in itself.
I don't know if this is a British/American cultural difference, but on my side of the Atlantic it's just a body part - it's no more amusing than saying "leg" or "elbow".
Maybe this explains why yesterday's Criterion announcements of July releases were so limp and disappointing. Criterion was trying to emulate the sex scenes in "Girls" to show their support for Durham's HBO show.
Pah. For this board, this Dunham backlash is so 2011. Though I guess since this thread is still going today, it's still an occasional pastime to come in here for a snipe or two when we get bored.
=; I figgered something out. This Zeitgeist baloney. What it is, see, is a series of arbitrary references to mass culture eg. social networking what-have-yous, websites, cellphones, those Popular-in-an-ironic-and-campy-way-that-allows-people-to-be-a-fan-without-actually-taking-it-seriously type movies (Star Wars*). I'm not a network socialite, and I don't own a cellphone. The Zeitgeist can only be captured by someone with enough detachment. I hate mass culture references that make us pat ourselves on the back for our ridiculous knowledge*. A Godard film gets slagged for requiring beneficial knowledge that isn't 'earned' passively. Self-affirmation ain't the stuff of art. Change is a must.
This last interview wasn't too bad but other things she's said reminded me how a person's personality can scare you away from their work. Haven't seen any Chris Marker but what he says is stimulating and of course I think "This guy must kick ass."
There are many things to dislike about Girls, but this is a ridiculous thing to get upset about-- flippant Twitter updates mocking liberal whiners who feel (shock) a show about well-to-do white girls isn't multicultural enough?! Oh my stars, how will we ever survive
Mathew2468 wrote: Vulva is a better word. My favorite
In most cases, it's more accurate.
My wife gets annoyed by this constantly, because as a midwife/ultrasonographer she has to be very precise about female anatomy in the way that her clients often aren't, usually out of pure ignorance. Which in turn leads to really hideous phrases like "shaven vaginas", which sounds both incredibly painful and anatomically implausible.
"In medicine, the expression is used to refer to the rectoureteral excavation, also known as the pouch of Douglas. As it is the deepest point of the female pelvis, it is easy to visualise any fluid present in it by radiological investigations, e.g. ultrasonography." Wikipedia
domino harvey wrote:There are many things to dislike about Girls, but this is a ridiculous thing to get upset about-- flippant Twitter updates mocking liberal whiners who feel (shock) a show about well-to-do white girls isn't multicultural enough?! Oh my stars, how will we ever survive
You're right - it's a largely silly twitter post - but from personal experience, one can't underestimate the racism of Vice alumni.
domino harvey wrote:There are many things to dislike about Girls, but this is a ridiculous thing to get upset about-- flippant Twitter updates mocking liberal whiners who feel (shock) a show about well-to-do white girls isn't multicultural enough?! Oh my stars, how will we ever survive
Are you saying that
On Wednesday, Girls writer Lesley Arfin seemingly responded to Wortham's and similar criticisms in a tweet. "What really bothered me most about Precious," she wrote, "was that there was no representation of ME."
isn't kind of a smug shitty response? I mean, she's not mocking other white people who have decided that she's not feeling enough white guilt, she's mocking an actual person of color who apparently isn't allowed to be represented in White Rich People land. It seems like a pretty just callout, to me.
