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#101 Post by Yojimbo »

knives wrote:
Gropius wrote: 30. Vibración de Granada (José Val del Omar, 1935) - Fascinating experimental documentary, independently anticipating much of the American avant-garde from Marie Menken to Nathaniel Dorsky; think Knives was the other voter.
I was. I honestly thought Zedz would be the mystery number two on this as he managed to increase my love of it more with a piece of Anger comparison. Maybe Val del Omar will do better on the '60s list. I'll have a couple of years to push that at least.

Edit: The production design is my favorite part of Liliom, I believe I did a write up on that very thing, and I agree with your comments completely. Man's Castle is actually a Paramount title, not Fox.
The production design is beautiful; compares very favourably with Murnau. But there's a whole eerie, other-worldly feel about the film which transcends its stage origins.
It could be a happy accident, as regards the nature of the acting, but it certainly works for me.

No, I just assumed the only Borzages available would be in that Fox set
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#102 Post by Yojimbo »

Michael Kerpan wrote:My top 10:

1. It's A Gift (McLeod, 1934)
2. Apart From You (Naruse, 1933)
3. Roaring Twenties (Walsh, 1939)
4. Tokyo Inn (Ozu, 1935)
5. Arigato-san (Shimizu, 1936)
6. Bluest of Seas (Barnet, 1936)
7. Humanity and Paper Balloons (Yamanaka, 1937)
8. Tabu (Murnau, 1931)
9. Fighting Soldiers (Kamei, 1939)
10. Story of the Last Chrysanthemums (Mizoguchi, 1939)

I was disappointed that Its a Gift and Tokyo Inn fell off the list into also-rans. I was not surprised that Fighting soldiers was orphaned -- as it is pretty hard to find. If only Bluest of Seas was more available (for non French readers), I'm sure it would find more fans.
Thats quite an achievement by 'It's A Gift': relegating all your favourite Japanese directors to the ranks of also-rans! :)
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#103 Post by Michael Kerpan »

Nothing relegated at all -- the numerical rankings were almost entirely arbitrary -- as I liked almost all of the films on my list equally. ;~}

Too bad you didn't vote -- as Bluest of Seas would have fared _much_ better!
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Michael Kerpan wrote: the numerical rankings were almost entirely arbitrary -- as I liked almost all of the films on my list equally. ;~}
I should have known; its become a mantra with you! :wink:
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Top Ten:
1 The Rules of the Game: Haha, this thing is like the Jordan-era Bulls on here. And like the Jordan-era Bulls, it's on top because it's goddamn amazing.

2 The Testament of Dr. Mabuse: I don't know that this one especially needs defending, since it wound up pretty high on the list, but it's probably rare to put it above M. As much as I love M, though, it's pretty straightforward- Testament is perverse, in plotting, goals, and montage, and it's one of the few movies I know that uses sound so expressionistically. M is a cynical portrait of Berlin, a normal metropolis. Mabuse is a deranged portrait of a city that's going mad.

3 City Girl: Again, this placed high, but I think I placed it higher than anyone else. I actually like this one even more than Sunrise- it feels as though Murnau's characters here are people, not abstract figures being pulled through a dreamworld. That's true occasionally of both Tabu and Sunrise, but I think in City Girl it's true throughout, without compromising the heightened nature of either the story or the visuals. It's probably my favorite Murnau overall.

4 Make Way for Tomorrow: I want to note that I was really resistant to watching this one, because it looked like misery porn, just a straight downward arc that I'm watching out of masochism. I'm glad I got past that, because that's not the structure here at all- and it wouldn't be a fraction so devastating if it were.

5 The Scarlet Empress: This one got a huge, huge bump for me when I rewatched it, and the fact that it's my top von Sternberg may well reflect the fact that it's the only one I've gotten to see twice. It's also the one that ends with the most utterly unfettered Marlene: she's riding rampant, ready to conquer the world, no punishment and no possibility of punishment. How could it possibly get any better?

6 Modern Times: I went back and forth between this one and City Lights, and I think what wound up giving this one a bump for me is that it feels less like a penny dreadful structure gussied up into something pretty- Chaplin's social interests felt far more alive here, far less like something that he'd dug out of a childhood memory of a terrible play (and while City Lights is absolutely a great movie, it really is a terribly maudlin plot. It doesn't matter, much, because Chaplin sells it so well, but still.) It's stunning that this is within ten years of Chaplin butchering his own Gold Rush- it's almost unimaginable the man playing the beautiful games with sound we see here could be the one who shit words all over a silent comedy.

7 Vampyr: This is another one that gained enormously with rewatching. I'm not even entirely sure I can explain what I like about this movie- I don't really remember what happened, the performances are frequently so minimal as to be almost non-existent, and while its full of visual invention so is The Blood of the Poet, and I wasn't about to vote for that one. Something about the way Dreyer encodes this movie gives it an incredible force, though, a metaphysical jolt that reminds me of later people like Kubrick and Malick.

8 Duck Soup
One of the things I rediscovered doing this project is that I really like this kind of 30s comedy, where smartassed vaudeville patter was married to the unlogic of silent comedy- and I don't think there's ever been a better example than this one. 'Anarchic' gets applied to a lot of comedies, but usually only in form and not in aim- here, the Marxes make fun of every human institution they can get their hands on, and unburdened by romantic leads or a plot that needs to make sense they can float off into an almost abstract war against order of any kind. The only movie I can think of that's anything like it is Strangelove

9 Mad Love
The fact that one didn't make the list kills me. I can only assume that too few people got the chance to see it, though evidently nobody rated it higher than I did- it's almost impossible for me to imagine anyone actually not liking it. Mad Love is one of those movies that opened a new door for me, as however many American 30s horrors I watched before this one I never really responded to any- here, there's no sense of making allowances for date or genre- this one hit me in much the same spot Mabuse did, and probably for much the same reasons. A lot is made of the expressionist, Germanic nature of things like Frankenstein, Dracula and the like, but while they're in there they're buried under pounds of stagey drivel- this is the uncut stuff.

10 Fury: Lang's misanthropy has never been more pointed or more effective, and yet it feels honest and not like Code-enforced bullshit when
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Spencer Tracy manages to let go of his anger long enough to stop himself getting the lynch mob killed.
There are few things more deserving of righteous anger than a lynch mob, and few movies that summon righteous anger better than this one- yet Lang reminds us of the paramount need of remaining human in the face of it.

All but one of my top 10 made the list, and most of them made it fairly high, so either I should be happy that I'm in good company or angry that I'm so dull and predictable. My attempt to have only one movie per director in the top ten got all shot to hell, since both Lang and McCarey are on there twice- and The Devil is a Woman and M have the next two slots, so it would only have gotten worse.

Also Rans:
Mad Love
See above

It's a Gift
I talked about this in the thread, but it's one of those movies that stands out from a very funny crowd (it being part of the same vaudeville meets silent comedy strain as the Marx Bros movies) in the relentlessness with which it applies the logic of its plot: everyone screws everyone, and nobody means it, and it's funny. Fields' comic universe is often an unkind one, but rarely is it so perfectly cruel as here- until the happy ending, which (given how unlikable the leads fundamentally are) is itself an even crueler joke. Wealth and those who deserve it are never even vaguely connected in a Fields movie, and here wealth just means a chance to do nothing and drink yourself stupid. Perfect.

An Optical Poem
I'm guessing the huge placement difference between this and Study No. 7 has to do with what got repped more and more effectively, and that this one's not on the CVM disc. If you liked Study and didn't get to see this, though, seek it out- you can find it streaming online.

The Good Fairy
I wound up watching a fair number of Sturges, but of the rest even the best of them (Easy Living) felt like a Sturges movie that wasn't entirely risen. This one actually adds something- I'm not too familiar with the director, but he brings a different personality to the script in a way that puts the delightful Sturges touches into sharp relief, and makes for one of the most thoroughly entertaining movies I saw throughout the project.

The Most Dangerous Game
This one feels a bit like the hipster version of voting for King Kong, but I really do like it more- it's shorter, sharper, better characterized, and more chilling. Similar feel of 30s adventure and heading out into the great unknown, but a much better evocation of savagery and what it means to resist it.

The Thin Man
Man I don't even care this is funny and charming as hell and all the Renoir in the world won't change that. I could watch the scene with Nick playing with the little gun Nora got him, or her catching him up in drinking in the bar, all day. And since I have the box set, I more or less can.

The Petrified Forest
I talked about this one in the thread, too, but I was delighted by how much real humanity the movie managed to invest into a fairly schematic setup- though everything's very acting-class characterization in how the oppositions between the characters are set up, that's also true of The Rules of the Game. While this one obviously isn't anything like as deft, it has a similar sense of underlying humanism, and a similar ability to surprise me with someone suddenly coming to life or making a decision borne of being a person and not of plot necessity.

The Adventures of Robin Hood
It's silly and it's childish, but I don't know that there's a world I'd rather live in than this one. It brings back the sort of unfiltered joy in a story that you feel like you got when you were a little kid (which may not actually be accurate, but who cares) and it doesn't break the spell. That fits my definition of a great movie, for sure.

Horse Feathers
This is one of the other least adulterated and therefore best Marx movies. "Whatever it is, I'm against it" is also one of the most deftly accurate satirical jabs at a political position held by many that I can think of.

Swing, You Sinners
This is so fucking strange that I can't believe it exists, much less that it was shown to children. That, in my view, makes it great.

Easy Living
As I mentioned above, this is the best of the Sturges without Sturges that I saw, and that's enough to snag a spot on the lowest ranks of my list. It's not perfect, but all the parts are pretty great.

You Can't Take It With You
I was just talking about this one in the thread, but while I have issues with it, it's funny, it conjures a group of distinctive and real-seeming people, and it's got a killer performance on Barrymore's part. That put it at the top of the Capra I got to see, and thus made the low reaches of my list.

The Music Box
There's not much to this, but as with It's a Gift, it's incredibly pure: Sisyphus played for comedy. That it actually winds up being really funny is almost just a bonus.

Orphans:
The Milky Way
I blame myself for not pushing anyone else into voting for this- if I had watched it sooner, or written more about it, maybe I could have. It's slight, but it's pretty flawless, and again an excellent marriage of smartass verbal humor (largely supplied by Adolphe Menjou and Helen Mack) and the visual panache of a silent comedy. It's a movie with a lot of strengths and almost no weaknesses.

The Scarlet Pimpernel
I completely understand why I was alone in this one, but a dandy that foppish deserves a vote, dammit.

The Fatal Glass of Beer
A Griffithean family drama played out at length, with nobody even considering taking any of the underlying sentiment such structures had held seriously. The punchline is great, though inherent to the casting, but the jokes around the edges are up there with the best slapstick shorts.
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#106 Post by zedz »

knives wrote:
Gropius wrote: 30. Vibración de Granada (José Val del Omar, 1935) - Fascinating experimental documentary, independently anticipating much of the American avant-garde from Marie Menken to Nathaniel Dorsky; think Knives was the other voter.
I was. I honestly thought Zedz would be the mystery number two on this as he managed to increase my love of it more with a piece of Anger comparison. Maybe Val del Omar will do better on the '60s list. I'll have a couple of years to push that at least.
Not I! I actually find Vibracion quite tentative, nowhere near the masterpiece of its "remake," but Val del Omar will indeed be a strong presence on my 60s list, and that film of unfinished fragments was so mind-blowing at times that he might even sneak in posthumously to the 00s one (though who knows how that particular landscape will look when we pass through again.)
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#107 Post by Yojimbo »

matrixschmatrix wrote:Top Ten:

2 The Testament of Dr. Mabuse: I don't know that this one especially needs defending, since it wound up pretty high on the list, but it's probably rare to put it above M. As much as I love M, though, it's pretty straightforward- Testament is perverse, in plotting, goals, and montage, and it's one of the few movies I know that uses sound so expressionistically. M is a cynical portrait of Berlin, a normal metropolis. Mabuse is a deranged portrait of a city that's going mad.
I watched 'M' again within the past year or so, which served to confirm its status; though the recent Masters of Cinema 'Metropolis' would have elevated it to my #2 Lang if I'd seen it in time. I think the 1960's 'Mabuse' might be my favourite of that set: love the whole cheesy look of it, and the blatant voyeurism
matrixschmatrix wrote:
4 Make Way for Tomorrow: I want to note that I was really resistant to watching this one, because it looked like misery porn, just a straight downward arc that I'm watching out of masochism. I'm glad I got past that, because that's not the structure here at all- and it wouldn't be a fraction so devastating if it were.
One of these days I'm going to be in the right mood to watch it for the first time, and follow it with 'Tokyo Story', probably Ozu's greatest
matrixschmatrix wrote: 5 The Scarlet Empress: This one got a huge, huge bump for me when I rewatched it, and the fact that it's my top von Sternberg may well reflect the fact that it's the only one I've gotten to see twice. It's also the one that ends with the most utterly unfettered Marlene: she's riding rampant, ready to conquer the world, no punishment and no possibility of punishment. How could it possibly get any better?
This used to be my favourite Sternberg, albeit a close run thing with 'Morocco', until I saw 'Der blaue Engel': I much prefer the latter's earthiness, and Dietrich's raunchier, plumper character; the later films perhaps rely too much on production design and exotica; 'Engel' is about the characters.
matrixschmatrix wrote: 9 Mad Love
The fact that one didn't make the list kills me. I can only assume that too few people got the chance to see it, though evidently nobody rated it higher than I did- it's almost impossible for me to imagine anyone actually not liking it. Mad Love is one of those movies that opened a new door for me, as however many American 30s horrors I watched before this one I never really responded to any- here, there's no sense of making allowances for date or genre- this one hit me in much the same spot Mabuse did, and probably for much the same reasons. A lot is made of the expressionist, Germanic nature of things like Frankenstein, Dracula and the like, but while they're in there they're buried under pounds of stagey drivel- this is the uncut stuff.
Had it on a VHS recording from tv; but it got chewed up. Would love to have it back

matrixschmatrix wrote: The Thin Man
Man I don't even care this is funny and charming as hell and all the Renoir in the world won't change that. I could watch the scene with Nick playing with the little gun Nora got him, or her catching him up in drinking in the bar, all day. And since I have the box set, I more or less can.
I've got the box-set; although I've only yet watched the first two; the original is a Masterpiece. Period; the second was fun.
Since you love this, you should check out the Mr Moto films
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#108 Post by domino harvey »

Whoever had Grand Hotel at No. 48 and got Orphaned-- I feel ya. Literally, as I had Grand Hotel at Number 48 up until the very end. Sorry about that!
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#109 Post by matrixschmatrix »

Yojimbo wrote:
matrixschmatrix wrote:2 The Testament of Dr. Mabuse
I watched 'M' again within the past year or so, which served to confirm its status; though the recent Masters of Cinema 'Metropolis' would have elevated it to my #2 Lang if I'd seen it in time. I think the 1960's 'Mabuse' might be my favourite of that set: love the whole cheesy look of it, and the blatant voyeurism
I love all three Mabuses, and I'm guessing all three will make lists of mine at some point. There's been some discussion lately about much-later sequels (in response to rumors about Cameron Crowe doing a sequel to Say Anything) and whether they can ever be successful, and I think Lang's trilogy is maybe the best example of that idea being used well- and it does so twice in a row.
matrixschmatrix wrote: 4 Make Way for Tomorrow: I want to note that I was really resistant to watching this one, because it looked like misery porn, just a straight downward arc that I'm watching out of masochism. I'm glad I got past that, because that's not the structure here at all- and it wouldn't be a fraction so devastating if it were.
One of these days I'm going to be in the right mood to watch it for the first time, and follow it with 'Tokyo Story', probably Ozu's greatest
I've had Tokyo Story for a while now, but I haven't pushed myself to watch it yet- Ozu's going to be on my 'must watch' list for the next three decade projects running, though.
matrixschmatrix wrote: 5 The Scarlet Empress:
This used to be my favourite Sternberg, albeit a close run thing with 'Morocco', until I saw 'Der blaue Engel': I much prefer the latter's earthiness, and Dietrich's raunchier, plumper character; the later films perhaps rely too much on production design and exotica; 'Engel' is about the characters.
Haha, I think Blue Angel and Morocco might be my least favorite von Sternberg/Dietrich collaborations right now- though of course none of them are anything short of 'damn good'. They both feel unformed to me, indicators of where von Sternberg is going that haven't realized the full mythical potential Dietrich had yet- which, it sounds like, is also how you see it, but you prefer it that way. Fair enough.
matrixschmatrix wrote: 9 Mad Love
Had it on a VHS recording from tv; but it got chewed up. Would love to have it back
You can get Mad Love in this set, which is back from when Warners used to be incredible and put out six watchable-to-amazing movies with commentaries for $30. Seriously, it's a deal up there with the Noir boxes.
matrixschmatrix wrote: The Thin Man
I've got the box-set; although I've only yet watched the first two; the original is a Masterpiece. Period; the second was fun.
Since you love this, you should check out the Mr Moto films
I'll give them a shot eventually, but it's going to be weeks at least before I watch anything else from the 30s. I think the Thin Man series does fall off a bit after the first one in a number of ways- none of the rest really work as mysteries, for sure- but they maintain the charm of the leads and expand their world interestingly.
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#110 Post by reno dakota »

My top 20, plus also-rans (in italics) and orphans (in bold):

1. Make Way for Tomorrow (McCarey, 1937)
2. Au bonheur des dames (Duvivier, 1930)
3. Liebelei (Ophüls, 1933)
4. Ich bei Tag und du bei Nacht (Berger, 1932)
5. Humanity and Paper Balloons (Yamanaka, 1937)
6. Fährmann Maria (Wysbar, 1936)
7. Morgen beginnt das Leben (Hochbaum, 1933)
8. City Girl (Murnau, 1930)
9. L’Atalante (Vigo, 1934)
10. Morning’s Tree-Lined Street (Naruse, 1936)
11. Der Kongress tanzt (Charell, 1931)
12. Der Student von Prag (Robison, 1935)
13. Rapt (Kirsanoff, 1934)
14. La signora di tutti (Ophüls, 1934)
15. Maskerade (Forst, 1934)
16. Design for Living (Lubitsch, 1933)
17. Bringing Up Baby (Hawks, 1938)
18. Tabu: A Story of the South Seas (Murnau, 1931)
19. All Quiet on the Western Front (Milestone, 1930)
20. Grand Illusion (Renoir, 1937)

23. An Inn in Tokyo (Ozu, 1935) - My favorite of Ozu's 1930s films. Perhaps it’s too downbeat to have gathered many votes, but then again, The Only Son did well.

24. Beau Geste (Wellman, 1939) – Orphan #1. I doubt availability was a problem here, so I suppose this one is just not well liked around here. I had no idea that I was in the mood for a rousing, mysterious, grand adventure-in-the-desert sort of film when I watched this, but I thoroughly enjoyed it.

25. Peter Ibbetson (Hathaway, 1935) – I don’t think I can add anything that zedz hasn’t already said about this one. It’s peculiar, yes, but also completely absorbing.

28. By the Bluest of Seas (Barnet, 1936) – I managed to see just two Barnet films for the project, but this gorgeously shot story of a love triangle within a fishing village was really quite wonderful.

30. The Eagle and the Hawk (Walker, 1933) – I have a particular fondness for war films that involve aviation (Wings; the two versions of The Dawn Patrol; Hawks’ Air Force, which is a strong contender for my 1940s list), and this was my favorite from the decade.

32. Woman of Tokyo (Ozu, 1933) – Orphan #2. Another great film from Ozu that, I feel sure, was disadvantaged by lack of availability.

34. Sonnenstrahl (Fejös, 1933) – Given the love of Fejös in the last round, I’m surprised this one didn’t fare better. I might have placed it higher, if not for the ending (which felt a bit forced), but it was just too charming to exclude from my list.

35. Chanson d’Armor (Epstein, 1934) – After giving up the hunt for the elusive (fictitious?) Mor’Vran, I settled on this as my Epstein pick from the decade. I’m just happy to see that it had another supporter.

36. History is Made at Night (Borzage, 1937) – I’ll admit to having seen fewer Borzage films from the decade than I should have, but this was my favorite by quite some distance.

41. Dodsworth (Wyler, 1936) – I’ve written about this one in the Oscars thread, but its placement here is due almost entirely to Walter Huston’s performance.

42. Pilgrimage (Ford, 1933) – Orphan #3. This is one of my favorite of Ford’s films, so I’m stunned that no one else voted for it. Too derivative of Murnau, maybe?

44. So endete eine Liebe (Hartl, 1934) – Glad to see that someone else voted for this touching film about a girl who is forced to marry Napoléon, even though she’s in love with someone else.

46. The Dawn Patrol (Hawks, 1930) – Orphan #4. Another great war/aviation film. I prefer this version just slightly to Goulding’s remake.

48. Die Drei von der Tankstelle (Thiele, 1930) – This playful film, about three friends who fall for the same woman, was the last of three on my list to feature Willy Fritsch. I wish I could have included a fourth or a fifth.
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#111 Post by swo17 »

matrixschmatrix wrote:2 The Testament of Dr. Mabuse: I don't know that this one especially needs defending, since it wound up pretty high on the list, but it's probably rare to put it above M.
Actually, 11 poll participants put it above M, including several that only voted for Mabuse.
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swo17 wrote:
matrixschmatrix wrote:2 The Testament of Dr. Mabuse: I don't know that this one especially needs defending, since it wound up pretty high on the list, but it's probably rare to put it above M.
Actually, 11 poll participants put it above M, including several that only voted for Mabuse.
Haha, awesome. Screw you, undeniable classic that I also love, it's Testament's time to shine.
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reno dakota wrote: 35. Chanson d’Armor (Epstein, 1934) – After giving up the hunt for the elusive (fictitious?) Mor’Vran, I settled on this as my Epstein pick from the decade. I’m just happy to see that it had another supporter.
I was that soldier...For a while it existed in my list as Mor'Vran until after vibrations emanating from swo17 compelled me to unpack the box of dusty vhs cassettes in the attic to find It was actually Chanson. However Mor Vran does exist as it was shown in a retrospective of Epstein 'sea works' at Bologna a couple of years back.
Interesting to see that the teutonic lobbying forces made an impact and I wished I had had the time to investigate them further, although Farhrmann Maria made my list. But I guess that's the point. It's not just about the list deadline but use as a further research tool. All I need now is a pair of pliers to extract all those elusive titles.
For the record my number 1 was La Petite Lise about which I have mumbled and bumbled sporadically in the 1930's thread.
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#114 Post by thirtyframesasecond »

Top ten - I've put the actual placings in brackets to see where these films ended up. Quite surprised really. Really expected IHON to be higher!

It Happened One Night (36)
City Lights (10)
Story of the Late Chrysanthemums (37)
The Goddess (100)
I Was Born But (21)
Make Way For Tomorrow (12)
The Rules of the Game (1)
The Bitter Tea of General Yen (55)
Ninotchka (56)
A Nous La Liberte (47)
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#115 Post by Gropius »

domino harvey wrote:Whoever had Grand Hotel at No. 48 and got Orphaned-- I feel ya. Literally, as I had Grand Hotel at Number 48 up until the very end. Sorry about that!
That was me: one of those 'Oscar films' that has been unfairly forgotten, but ought to be seen by enthusiasts of hotel settings and stagey acting (might have put it higher if I'd seen it more recently).
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Orphans:

Ganga Bruta (Humberto Mauro, 1933): I find some early talkies simply amazing, with rich expressive resources, lyrical beauty and high level of visual fascination and mystery. Machatý and Fejös also belong to this group.

Imitation of Life (John Stahl, 1934): Besides Borzage, the other master of melodrama in American cinema of the 30s was John M. Stahl (Back Street or Only Yesterday, to name a few damn good examples).

Mollenard (Robert Siodmak, 1938)

The Prisoner of Zenda (John Cromwell, 1937)
A favorite of my youth, very romantic.

Magokoro (Mikio Naruse, 1939)
Each Naruse has plenty of interesting elements, in this case the editing work and the final ellipses gives me great excitement.

Gli uomini, che mascalzoni! (Mario Camerini, 1932)

Zu neuen Ufern (Douglas Sirk, 1937)
Sierck, I mean Sirk! Need I say more?
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#117 Post by Yojimbo »

reno dakota wrote:My top 20, plus also-rans (in italics) and orphans (in bold):

1. Make Way for Tomorrow (McCarey, 1937)
2. Au bonheur des dames (Duvivier, 1930)
3. Liebelei (Ophüls, 1933)
4. Ich bei Tag und du bei Nacht (Berger, 1932)
5. Humanity and Paper Balloons (Yamanaka, 1937)
6. Fährmann Maria (Wysbar, 1936)
7. Morgen beginnt das Leben (Hochbaum, 1933)
8. City Girl (Murnau, 1930)
9. L’Atalante (Vigo, 1934)
10. Morning’s Tree-Lined Street (Naruse, 1936)
11. Der Kongress tanzt (Charell, 1931)
12. Der Student von Prag (Robison, 1935)
13. Rapt (Kirsanoff, 1934)
14. La signora di tutti (Ophüls, 1934)
15. Maskerade (Forst, 1934)
16. Design for Living (Lubitsch, 1933)
17. Bringing Up Baby (Hawks, 1938)
18. Tabu: A Story of the South Seas (Murnau, 1931)
19. All Quiet on the Western Front (Milestone, 1930)
20. Grand Illusion (Renoir, 1937)

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I'm a huge Ophuls fan, but though Liebelei, particularly, of those two in your list - is particularly wonderful, 'Madame De', which I think is the first of his films I saw, - and that on a big screen, almost literally 30 years ago, - is still my 'Numero Uno'

Murnau is always beautiful to look at but for the most part dramatically lacking for me; 'Nosferatu' was the perfect subject for him and head and shoulders above everything else I've seen
(yep, even 'Sunrise')
If you haven't seen it I'd highly recommend 'Die Finanzen des Grossherzogs ' from a recent Masters of Cinema double-set; zips along, a la 'Bringing Up Baby', and is a lot of fun
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#118 Post by Yojimbo »

matrixschmatrix wrote:
9 Mad Love
You can get Mad Love in this set, which is back from when Warners used to be incredible and put out six watchable-to-amazing movies with commentaries for $30. Seriously, it's a deal up there with the Noir boxes.
Thanks; ideally I'd prefer some kind of 'bells and whistles' extras-laden 'Mad Love' disc; there's some fun films in there. I'll wait and see if I can get it on a Deep Discount sale
matrixschmatrix wrote: I think the Thin Man series does fall off a bit after the first one in a number of ways- none of the rest really work as mysteries, for sure- but they maintain the charm of the leads and expand their world interestingly.
For me a lot of the appeal of series films is either the efficiency of the direction, - often by an old studio hand, - or the wealth and diversity of the supporting cast, or both.
Obviously Loy and Powell were sublime together, but there's often some real masters at work in bit parts, also.

The casting for these films is rarely less than flawless
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#119 Post by Tommaso »

Here's my Top 20, then:

1. Der Kongress tanzt (Charell, 1931)
2. Maskerade (Forst, 1934)
3. Vampyr (Dreyer, 1932)
4. La regle du jeu (Renoir, 1939)
5. Anna und Elisabeth (Wysbar, 1933)
6. Ich bei Tag und du bei Nacht (Berger, 1932)
7. Das Lied ist aus (Bolvary, 1930)
8. Mädchen in Uniform (Sagan, 1931)
9. Scarlet Empress (Sternberg, 1934)
10. Die 3-Groschen-Oper (Pabst, 1931)
11. Earth (Dovzhenko, 1930)
12. La grande illusion (Renoir, 1937)
13. Die drei von der Tankstelle (Thiele, 1930)
14. Liebelei (Ophuls, 1933)
15. Le sang d'un poète (Cocteau, 1930)
16. Tabu (Murnau, 1931)
17. Morgen beginnt das Leben (Hochbaum, 1933)
18. Fährmann Maria (Wysbar, 1936)
19. A midsummer night's dream (Reinhardt/Dieterle, 1935)
20. Trouble in paradise (Lubitsch, 1932)

While I'm quite happy that most of these made the list (though not as high as I would have wished for), I'm a bit surprised that - given that the list for the first time contained some German entries not directed by Lang, Pabst, Dreyer or Riefenstahl - Mädchen in Uniform didn't make it, especially as it's even available on dvd (unsubbed, I admit) and was even discussed here by some before that dvd was released. Along with Anna und Elisabeth with the same actresses, Hertha Thiele and Dorothea Wieck, it's an unbelievably intense and modern film anticipating Bergman by about 25 years.

Equally sad, of course, that Die drei von der Tankstelle didn't make the list. The mother of all sound film musicals that deserve their name, and it's dead funny and enchanting on top of it. Only Astaire/Rogers came anywhere close to the magic of Lilian Harvey and Willy Fritsch in this film.

Then, A Midsummer Night's Dream. I was surprised that this beautiful film didn't make it, and was even more surprised that it's a new entry even on the also-ran list. Was this film so totally unknown four years ago? Sure, the dvd was only released in 2008, but I had thought it was a well-known film at least among those who care for Shakespeare adaptations at least.

And in retrospect I should have drummed up a lot more support (perhaps by making it a spotlight film) for Bolvary's Das Lied ist aus. Another defining early German sound film, but more in a melancholic and very 'Viennese' manner. Those who want to see "Maskerade" director Willi Forst in one of his best roles as an actor, accompanied by the magnificent Liane Haid, should not pass by this tuneful, ultra-stylish and finally rather sad film.

Some more defences for those films a littler lower on my list might follow...
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#120 Post by Michael Kerpan »

the preacher wrote:Magokoro (Mikio Naruse, 1939)
Each Naruse has plenty of interesting elements, in this case the editing work and the final ellipses gives me great excitement.
This film evoked mixed feelings in me -- Lots of nice things here, but also an unsettling tinge of militaristic nationalism (rare in Naruse's other non-semi-suppressed wartime films). Too many other wonderful Naruse films from the 30s for this one to squeeze onto my list.
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#121 Post by reno dakota »

Yojimbo wrote:Murnau is always beautiful to look at but for the most part dramatically lacking for me; 'Nosferatu' was the perfect subject for him and head and shoulders above everything else I've seen
(yep, even 'Sunrise')
If you haven't seen it I'd highly recommend 'Die Finanzen des Grossherzogs ' from a recent Masters of Cinema double-set; zips along, a la 'Bringing Up Baby', and is a lot of fun
I have seen Grossherzogs and I'm sorry to say that I was not very fond of it. I've seen it just once, though, so perhaps I'll give it another try one of these days.
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#122 Post by Yojimbo »

reno dakota wrote:
Yojimbo wrote:Murnau is always beautiful to look at but for the most part dramatically lacking for me; 'Nosferatu' was the perfect subject for him and head and shoulders above everything else I've seen
(yep, even 'Sunrise')
If you haven't seen it I'd highly recommend 'Die Finanzen des Grossherzogs ' from a recent Masters of Cinema double-set; zips along, a la 'Bringing Up Baby', and is a lot of fun
I have seen Grossherzogs and I'm sorry to say that I was not very fond of it. I've seen it just once, though, so perhaps I'll give it another try one of these days.
Theres a lot of detail in it, some of which I missed, but I just loved its fast-paced infectious fun, and didn't care if I missed any plot twist or turn.
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Captains Courageous (4)

-This one was a heartbreaker not making the list, I suppose it was to much to ask people to overlook the idea of Spencer Tracy playing a Portuguese man. But the lead performance from Freddie Bartholomew and how he handled his coming of age story with subtlety and grace. You also had some amazing chemistry between four legends in Lionel Barrymore, Micky Rooney, Spencer Tracy, and Melvyn Douglas, really disappointing to not see anyone else rank this film.

The Good Earth (7)
Anthony Adverse (10)
Jezebel (11)
The House of Rothschild (18)
A Tale of Two Cities (23)
In Old Chicago (34)

They are all sort of in the same boat, films with high production values that are gorgeous to look at with the first three having some great twists and turns in the plot. I actually think Anthony Adverse is the most unpredictable film made in the 30's, with a plot that is just so dense I marveled at it.

The Champ (17)

Some of you men must be made of stone, the ending still makes me tear up. Plus you had an amazing performance from Wallace Beery and a story that really holds up well today.

The Divorcee (21)

This was a Pre-Hayes code film that touched on the double standards between men and women. Norma Shearer won the lead Oscar (a common theme in my pandas) for her performance were she always walked the thin line between being preachy and realistic.

Dracula (41)

I'm a bit shocked that one of the most popular films from that era didn't make the cut.
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#124 Post by Shrew »

1) Trouble in Paradise
2) Stagecoach
3) Love Me Tonight
4) The Lady Vanishes- Surprised that The 39 Steps beat this one. I love them both and they're Hitchcock at his wittiest and most inventive, but only Lady Vanishes gave the world Charters and Caldicott.
5) City Girl
6) My Man Godfrey
7) Stage Door
8) Japanese Girls at the Harbor
9) Port of Shadows
10) Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde

14) Bad Girl-Poor Borzage got a poor finish in this face, and this film in particular. I feel bad about not mounting any campaign for it, as I assumed people had seen it through the big box or netflix. I blame the awful nonsensical title (was this from source material or something?). It may not have quite the visual aplomb of some of Borzage's other films, but he's an expert at using small spaces without feeling stagetrapped. Just look at the multiple conversations in the stairwell the two lovers have here. And really, this is just an incredibly sweet, moving film about misunderstandings that develop between people because they're so eager to please others, with no villain but no less lower stakes. This is what movies like Dodsworth wish they were, but they can't keep themselves from going big.

16) Street Angel (malu tianshi)- Sad it didn't make the list, but glad it found some other support. I wasn't even the highest vote!

25) The Hunchback of Notre Dame- This for me is the Hollywood Studio at its best, not Wizard of Oz or Gone with the Wind. I wandered onto this one night TCM expecting some awful claptrap and got some incredible cinematography and towering set design, with a game cast and a tightly constructed script that makes no excuses for its many deviations from its source because it knows by making the film so damn fun it won't need to.
27) Mad Love
29) Wife! Be Like a Rose

32) The Mascot- This one hurts. Have people not seen this? There is a tiny little puppy toy crying and whimpering because nigh no one voted for this phatasmagoric wonder.

34) The Good Fairy

37) Footlight Parade- James Cagney's manic energy and slightly different spin on the plot elevate this above the rest of Berkeley musicals. I like 42nd St (cause the crazy parade of extras throughout means Dick Powell's creepy face almost disappears), but I can't get behind GD33, cause Aline MacMahon's character makes me want to kill everything.
40) Swing Time- The only one of these Astaire/Rogers movies where class is an issue, even if only for a fun little setpiece of an introduction and then forgotten. And it's also just lovely and simple to boot. I'll forgive it Bojangles (though that face-foot intro is so shockingly horrifying) since it goes into those shadows. But The Gay Divorcee... well The Continental feels like an endless death waltz of pale Berkley imitation and pointless witless interludes (who the hell are you lady?)

42) Man’s Castle- I happened to see this on film years ago when I was first getting into film cause a professor had special ordered a screening as a favor. I can't remember as much as I should, but it left a deep impression of awe and confusion. I can't sure for sure, but I have a feeling I'm still underrating here.

45) Pygmalion

47) Salt for Svanetia
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#125 Post by Wu.Qinghua »

And FWIW, here's my Top 20 (followed by also-rans in italics and orphans in bold):

1)Shennue / The Goddess (Wu Yonggang, China 1934)
Oh ... Hadn't I placed 'Goddess' on top of my list, it hadn't even made the Top 100 ...
2) Misère au Borinage (Joris Ivens & Henri Stock, Belgium 1933)
My favourite 30s documentary, dealing with the living conditions and repression, Belgian miners suffered after having lost a strike. It's partly filmed clandestinely and deliberatly less stylish then the avantgardist and industrial films, Ivens made in the years before, but makes a very strong case for its case.
3) Semlja / Earth (Aleksandr Dovshenko, SSSR 1930)
4) Xin nuexing / New Women (Cai Chusheng, China 1934)
The one of my spotlights, which ended up as an orphan of mine. Unfortunately I forgot to upload it someplace, though I doubt this would have changed much, would it? NW is a very nice 'Shanghai leftist' take on gender relations in 30s China, starring Ruan Lingyu, and I actually prefer it to Goddess because of it's more complex storyline.
5) Drôle de drame (Marcel Carné, France 1937)

6) Komsomol / Song of Heroes (Joris Ivens, SSSR 1931)
Lyrical essay film on industrialisation, the construction of Magnitogorsk, the 'city of magnetic mountain', and its youthful builders.
7) Kuhle Wampe, oder: Wem gehört die Welt? (Slatan Dudow, DR 1932)
Portrait of the living conditions of workers and petty bourgois as well as the leisure activities and aspirations of the communist German labor movement, set in 30s Berlin, made in cooperation with Brecht et.al. Though heavily scarred by censorship, this in my eyes is one of the geratest films, which have ever been made in Germany.
8) Le Quai des Brumes / Port of Shadows (Marcel Carné, France 1938)
9) Modern Times (Charlie Chaplin, USA 1936)
10 La petite Lise (Jean Grémillion, France 1930)

11) Xiao Wanyi / Little Toys (Sun Yu, China 1933)
Another little Shanghai gem, starring Ruan Lingyu and Lili Li, trying to make their life as artisans in the face of Japanese expansion. Playful movie with a stunning ending ...
12) Pepe le Moko (Jules Duvivier, France 1937)
13) Kameradschaft (G.W. Pabst, DR 1931)
Another one of my German favourites, which in the end may have suffered from the recent reappraisal of entertaining German 30s films. Set in the mining area of Western Germany, K. offers a realist appraisal of miners' cooperation and solidarity across the borders. And the still famous singer Ernst Busch plays the lead ...
14) Le Crime de M. Lange (Jean Renoir, France 1936)
15) Stagecoach (John Ford, USA 1939)

16) Street Angel (Yuan Muzhi, China 1937)
I join Shrew in deploring that this lovable film about poor youth in Shanghai didn't make the list.
17) Uncle Moses (Sidney Goldin, USA 1932)
My favourite Yiddish film. It's canned theatre, of course, but Maurice Schwartz marvelously portrays a Yiddish sweatshop despot in 30s New York in as stunning as complex ways.
18) Razzia in St. Pauli (Werner Hochbaum, DR 1932)
Lovely little portrait of the lower classes of St Pauli, which is the dockland area of Hamburg, which in the 30s was one of the most important seaports on a global scale. As I've already written elsewhere, I am very surprised, that this became an orphan of mine.
19) I Was Born, But . . . (Yazujiro Ozu, Japan 1932)
20) Aerograd (Aleksandr Dovzhenko, SSSR 1935)
A last-minute addition. Dovzhenko dramatizes the social struggles within in the Soviet Union and the Japanese expansion in the Far East in poetic as well as highly problematic ways, appraising the intermingling and intermarriage between Russian, Chinese etc. 'ethnicities as well as the Soviet air force. It may not be his best film and I may have prefered 'Ivan', if I had given it a few more spins, but it's a very powerful and operatic film and, well, in some ways my rival candidate to Sternberg's colonialist fantasy 'Shanghai Express'.

Orphans and also-rans (I'll try to add comments later on):

23) El Compadre Mendoza (Fernando de Fuentes, Mexico 1933)
Lovely 'Fordist' film about the Mexican Revolution, which, though painting a very ambivalent picture of the revolutionary wars itself, in telling the story of a likeable haciendero betraying his friend, who happens to be a general in the Zapatista army, appraises the ideals of the Zapatistas and lobbies for the agrarian reforms of the 1930s.

25) Crossroads (Shen Xiling, China 1937)

29) Three Songs about Lenin (Dziga Vertov, SSSR 1938)

30) Dalu / Big Road (Sun Yu, China 1934)

31) What Made Her Do It? (Shigeyoshi Suzuki, Japan 1930)

34) Passing Fancy (Yazujiro Ozu, Japan 1933)

35) Takový je zivot / Such a Life (Carl Junghans, CSR 1929, IMDB: 1930)

37) Emperor Jones (Dudley Murphy, USA 1933)
38) Spare Time (Humphrey Jennings, UK 1939)
39) Heroes for Sale (William Wellman, USA 1933)

41) Entuziazm (Simfonia Donbassa) (Dziga Vertov, SSSR 1931)
42) Mädchen in Uniform / Girls in Uniform (Leontine Sagan, DR 1931)
43) La kermesse héroique / Carnival in Flanders (Jacques Feyder, France 1935)
44) Night Mail (Harry Watt & Basil Wright, UK 1935)

47) La Marseillaise (Jean Renoir, France 1936)

50) Street without End (Mikio Naruse, Japan 1934)
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