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#201 Post by GringoTex »

Nothing wrote:As for Ford, I don't think anyone who voted for Richard Nixon or supported the American Genocide in Indochina can be considered left wing...
Tag Gallagher:
The blacklisting of the McCarthy era disgusted him.501 “Send the
commie bastard to me, I’ll hire him,” he’d say.502 He had the Military Order
of the Purple Heart condemn the 1947 HUAC hearings as “defamatory and
slanderous…witchhunts.”503 Together with Merian C. Cooper, George
Stevens, John Huston, George Sidney and William Wyler, Ford signed a
telegram from the Screen Directors Guild’s Special Committee to the Speaker
of the House and the HUAC chair, disputing the constitutionality of smearing
people’s good names without giving them the right to defend themselves. “If
there are traitors in Hollywood or anywhere else, let the Federal Bureau of
Investigation point them out…but as citizens, let them have a fair trial,
protected by the guarantees of the Constitution. Such is the Bill of
Rights.”504

When in 1951 the Department of Defense charged Frank Capra (of all
people!) with Communist involvement, Ford retorted, “I never heard him
[object] to the Congressional Investigation of Hollywood Communists. I
don’t believe he did. Frankly, I objected to it loudly and vociferously. I’ll
now go on record as saying I think it was a publicity stunt and taxpayers
would have saved a lot of money in rail fares if the investigation had stayed
in Washington.”505 In 1950, he refused to back Cecil B. DeMille’s loyalty
oath for the Guild. DeMille proposed that names of those declining to sign be
sent to the studios. Then, to confound opposition, DeMille rumored that
Guild president Joseph Mankiewicz was “pinko” (then a serious charge) and
attempted a quick coup by mailing out recall ballots — but only to his allies!

In opposition, the liberals forced a general meeting at which Ford’s
intervention, concluding four hours of debate, was decisive. He identified
himself for the stenographer, “My name’s John Ford. I am a director of
Westerns,” and declared himself “ashamed” at “what looks to me like a
blacklist. I don’t think we should…put ourselves in a position of putting out
derogatory information about a director, whether he is a Communist, beats
his mother-in-law, or beats dogs....I don’t agree with C.B. DeMille. I admire
him. I don’t like him, but I admire him.” The assembly passed Ford’s motion
for DeMille’s resignation and endorsement of Mankiewicz.506

Ford made two tv movies about blacklisting in baseball in veiled protest of
Hollywood’s way - Rookie of the Year and Flashing Spikes.
Your assessment of Ford's politics is as simplistic as your assessment of his films. Many thousands of pages have been written by great critics that attest to the moral complexity of Ford's exclusive subject: the creation mythology of the USA. Read up some and get back to us.
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#202 Post by matrixschmatrix »

I do think there are times when Ford's liberalism is used as an easy way to handwave away seriously problematic issues with some of his films- Ford being anti-McCarthy doesn't mean that the racism of Stagecoach is any less problematic, nor does it mean much in terms of later cultural clashes about Vietnam and integration- but certainly, he was a complex man, and it doesn't do anyone any favors to dismiss all nuance in terms of Western constructions of America and American expansion.

It's like refusing to watch wu xia movies because of the rampant Chinese nationalism, anti-Japanese racism, and pro-government propaganda. The problematic elements are there, but they're part of the context in which the movies were made- it doesn't mean they aren't entertaining, and it doesn't mean that there aren't interesting shadings and details to specific representations of those problematic elements.
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#203 Post by zedz »

If you're looking for political correctness in general, don't look at the western genre. Hardly any of the worthwhile films in the genre get off scott free. If they're a little more progressive in terms of class, they're probably retrograde with regard to gender or race, and vice versa. And then you have to consider whether it's more or less dishonest for a film to elide things like genocide, as plenty of westerns do, abstracting the concept of 'the frontier' without acknowledging where it came from.

The politics behind all of these things are fascinating, even if the politics within the films are rarely edifying. I think one of the things that makes The Searchers such a powerful and lasting American film about racism is that its attitudes towards that subject are complicated and contradictory.
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#204 Post by matrixschmatrix »

I dislike the term 'political correctness', though perhaps more for association than anything inherent- I feel as though it's used to describe superficial inoffensiveness. I often see it used negatively, to imply that people insulted or upset by problematic material should just get over it.

That said, I do broadly agree with you- I think it's important to watch problematic material, and moreover that it's important not to try to restrict oneself to material that fully lines up with one's political outlook (otherwise, you wind up doing that thing where you handwave away anything fucked up in the things you really enjoy.) One of the fascinating things about this genre project to me, as someone coming into Westerns revisionist-end first, is seeing how the Expansion used to be constructed, and getting a more direct look at how America saw its own birth from the viewpoint of, say, the 50s: for all that it is still racist, imperialist, capitalist, and problematic, it's interesting to see how complex it often is, and how different from the view of modern reactionaries.

Ford may have been backwards about many things, but the places he created were interesting ones, and I don't mind spending time there- I think it's incumbent on the viewer to remember how different his constructions are from what those people and places may actually have been like, and what the differences between the two may imply.
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matrixschmatrix wrote:I dislike the term 'political correctness', though perhaps more for association than anything inherent- I feel as though it's used to describe superficial inoffensiveness. I often see it used negatively, to imply that people insulted or upset by problematic material should just get over it.
I quite agree. It's almost always used as a stick with which to beat up people who disagree with one's own notions of what is politically 'correct' (even if the slinger of the term won't acknowledge that), to shut off discourse rather than encourage it.
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#206 Post by GringoTex »

"I do think there are times when Ford's liberalism is used as an easy way to handwave away seriously problematic issues with some of his films- Ford being anti-McCarthy doesn't mean that the racism of Stagecoach is any less problematic, nor does it mean much in terms of later cultural clashes about Vietnam and integration- but certainly, he was a complex man, and it doesn't do anyone any favors to dismiss all nuance in terms of Western constructions of America and American expansion."

In 1935, Ford made a movie called Steamboat Around the Bend in which he placed wax figures of all American founding fathers (including the Confederate ones) and burned them to a crisp.
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#207 Post by cysiam »

Hostile Guns - Marshall McCool (yep that's the actual name) and his brash young deputy have the arduous task of transporting a wagon of criminals to Texas. They're being chased, of course, by one the criminal's family.

The opening scene acting is so terrible and the dialogue so stilted that it's almost amazing. I thought it might venture into the good-bad territory but it never got there. Robert Emhardt is one of the few highlights playing a sleazy rail road man, but it's the type of role he could've sleepwalked through.
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#208 Post by Cold Bishop »

Still not done with my noir viewing, but I feel I should throw my hat in here while I work up the stomach to finish that last write-up. This particular entry could double over for the 1930s list....

Law and Order (Edward L. Cahn, 1932)

One of the earliest sound Westerns of any note, this film is also surprising one of the toughest and meanest, unlike any Western I know of (excluding some of those unseen-by-me William S. Hart silents) until the late forties started giving the genre its edge back. Interesting enough (as Nothing noted before flaming out), one can point towards the pseudo-western Treasure of the Sierra Madre as the turning point in that regards, and as if that film was only picking up a trail that was lost in the intervening 16 years, here we find another grim western and another Huston family affair. Walter Huston leads the film at his best, and it is John Huston, in one of his earliest assignment, who is given the task of adapting the screenplay, doing so from hard-boiled legend W.R. Burnett's novel, Saint Johnson - all these names, and this film emerges with its violent, masculine credentials in tact. But the missing key in this lineup is director Edward L. Cahn, someone who's beginning to emerge to me as an unknown auteur worthy of further study. A largely unknown figure, recognized only by the occasional follower of z-grade 50s and 60s schlock, this guy appears to have come running out of the gate in 1932 filled with incredible promise. Making his first four films in one year, they include two truly great pictures: not only this film, but his gangster film, Afraid to Talk/Merry-Go-Round, is to me one of the greatest pre-code films - a brutal, nasty, nihilistic masterwork in the genre. While unknown to me, his Radio Patrol, an early police procedural, is considered equally as "great" by Bernard Tavernier. And a fourth possible masterpiece emerges in the now-lost Laughter in Hell. Based off the great novel by the underrated Jim Tully, it's a chain-gang film following in the footsteps of I Am a Fugitive in a Chain Gang and Hell's Highway, and by many accounts, it was perhaps the most powerful and harrowing of them all. In fact, considering some of its inflammatory content - including a still-infamous scene where three black prisoners are lynched - it might not be so accidental that the negatives were eventually destroyed. Yet, his relationship with Universal ended nearly as soon as it started, and at the end of the year, it was he (according to press release) who asked out of his contract. Hopping around studios for a few years, he ultimately ended up (like that other could-be-contender, Arthur Ripley) in shorts, directing numerous Our Gang films... perhaps for the best, as his early films run on a pre-code attitude that would at this time have become verboten. He emerged in the late 40s as a poverty-row filmmaker of some note, including several programmers that are much better than they ought to be (including a pretty good Caged rip-off, Girls in Prison), but unfortunately he ended up working with AIP, a contract that ultimately led him cranking over a dozen films a year, often with the level of quality that output suggests (although some of his sci-fi films seem to have not-entirely-ironic cult followings, including the Alien-influencing It! The Terror from Beyond Space).

This film is available in back-channels for those want to make the effort, and for my sake, I won't attempt to summarize the whole film here. Rather, let me give a mild spoiler-warning (although the basic story is familiar enough), and jump straight to the end. For while it moves along rather nicely up until then, it is the last fifteen minutes of the film where its begins to pull away, and distinguish itself as a truly remarkable western - stark, austere, grim, possibly nihilistic, a Western that seems to be operating on a completely different axis than anything else going on in the genre at the time - an era of singing cowboy serials and the occasional tentative sweeping epic. This film is, in essence, another retelling of the Gunfight at the O.K Corral. Wyatt Earp becomes "Saint" Frame Johnson, the Clantons become the Northrups, Doc Hollyday is largely eliminated and what is left is streamlined into the loyal, trigger happy Ed Brandt, the O.K. Corral turns into the O.K. ranch. However, Tombstone remains Tombstone, and the basic outline of the story remains visible even as particulars are transformed. The tale has been oft-told, but its most iconic representation still remains John Ford's My Darling Clementine. If to perhaps do Ford a great disservice by ignoring the ambiguities of his film, it can be said that it still largely follows the Myth: Wyatt Earp ultimately fulfill his role as lawman, defeating the Clantons, establishing law and order in Tombstone, and paving the way for civilization - for women, for the church, for Shakespeare - following the Western narrative of the taming of the wilderness. It is to this Myth, this narrative, that Cahn's ultimately distinguishes itself in opposition to. One could almost call it an early Revisionist Western, if not for the fact that the genre and its representation of the O.K. Corral were still nascent.

The film opens as if to fulfill this narrative: it posits the legendary gun battle in between the other great moments of the west - the Indian wars of 1840, the finishing of the Transcontinental Railroad in 1869, the land rush of 1889 - an era "punctuated with titanic struggle and stained with blood." For the duration of the film, the story follow the beats of the tale as we would expect it. But in the last fifteen minutes, something remarkable happens compared to some of its rival depictions: at the end of the film, law and order irrevocably breaks down, and Earp/Johnson gives up all pretenses of upholding it. In the middle of the film, he has a great triumph as marshall when he staves off a lynch-mob after a young murderer (Andy Devine). He even manages to sell the despondent killer on his own execution: he will be the first man legally hanged in Tombstone, and dammit, that ought to count for something. The sort of joyous, allegorical celebration is quickly deflated: despite all talk of civility and justice, as soon as the rope snaps around his neck the mood becomes terrible and grim; Cahn even includes a peculiar, but quick yet impossible-to-miss shot of a black citizen watching the hanging with great unease (pointing towards Laughter in Hell, perhaps). At this point the film turns; this must be one of the earlier films that recognizes and in its own way criticizes the American obsession with guns. "Saint" Johnson passes an ordinance banning the carrying of guns in city limits. At first, we are lead to believe that this is merely a calculated attack on the Northrups. Then, there is a close up of the note dictating the new law, and it is suddenly shot up with holes. The camera pulls back, but it is not the Northrups doing the shooting, but regular townfolk. Suddenly the camera whips around the main square as the town builds to a frenzy. We note an American community where guns are so ingrained into the fabric of life that even elegant young women carry Derringers in their handbags. But the mood goes from absurd to genuinely tense: in trying to do what was necessary, Johnson seems to have gone too far, and even those who were loyal to him against the Northrups turn on him.

Here is another distinction. In Ford, the Clantons terrorize the town but they are ultimately outsiders, haunting Tombstone from the outskirts. Here, the Northrups are part of the community, men about town, and it is final estimate they who the townfolk ultimately align themselves with and most resemble. While it follows the beats of the O.K. Corral as followed by Ford - Earp defeats the Clantons not by trial-and-jury but with a shoot-out, and he ultimately rides out of town at the end - in Ford, the ending, for all its ambiguities, can be seen as an extension of Earp's lawful duties, bringing justice to the wilderness, leaving when the deed is done. Here, on the contrary, while the trajectory is the same, the context is different: Johnson abandons the town to their lawlessness, the final gun-battle is turned purely into a blood vendetta, and if the community is more civilized afterward, it was done so kicking and screaming. After the death of one of his men, Johnson stands in the town square and yells so that all can hear: they'll get their wish, they'll keep their guns, him and his men will resign and leave... but before that, there will be blood to pay. One can read a fascist overtone to its nihilistic view of society, and the harsh steps sometimes needed to taken, by "men with guts", in the face of it; I won't go that far, but the film is definitely unsettling in its worldview. At the beginning of the film, Johnson is ready to give up his career as a lawman: it's a thankless job and the people don't seem to want law and order. Unlike Fonda's Earp, he's not drawn to the job out of personal revenge (that comes later); he seems to jump at the opportunity out of a rekindling of that spark for justice, for doing the greater good. The trajectory of the film is one of desperation, of increasing disillusionment, and as law and order collapses, even the legitimacy of that final famous battle is called into question. This is not the elegant duel of John Ford; the quiet walk to the ranch/corral is here, but it has a sense of desperation and bloody personal duty that points towards that of The Wild Bunch. And when the shooting begins, it turns into quick and brutal confusion - quickly interchanging stark, static shots that pile up until we're no longer sure which side's doing the shooting and which is doing the dying. At the end, the bloody, wounded "Saint" Johnson is the only one left standing. As he rides out of town on his horse, he sits stiffly, awkward, as if we expect to fall off the horse any moment and die from his injuries. But the wound seems to be as spiritual more so than it is physical; while triumphant in the battle, he seems a broken man, having lost his own men and his own faith in his vocation, realizing that the people he has sworn to protect "don't want peace", but as his dying brother tells him, he's a man who is doomed to "keep the peace as long as [he] lives". Huston doesn't ride off in the distance as a chorus sings "My Darling Clementine". The sounds that accompany his exit are the stark, haunting, monotonous rings of a funeral toll as the screen quietly fades to black.

Definitely an essential Western of the 1930s to be placed somewhere between The Big Trail and Stagecoach. Track it down!
domino harvey wrote:10,000 Ways to Die (Alex Cox) Download here
It should be noted that the book available for free is not the same thing as the book that's available in print. They are two completely different overviews of the genre written decades apart. In fact, Cox seems to be embarrassed about the earlier book that he has on his website.
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I finally got to watching Shane and I'm sure I would have liked it a lot more had I not been laughing due to memories of that Hey, Arnold episode with a similar name. I couldn't hear a word of the climax because of that. Beyond that personal oddity though I find it to be a reasonably made, reasonably entertaining, reasonable film. There's nothing to special here, the relationship with the boy is cute if heavy handed and occasionally too precocious. The film wastes Jean Arthur and the villain is a totally uninteresting non-entity, but everyone else gives enough for me to leave content if empty. I'm sure I won't remember a thing in the morning.
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#210 Post by domino harvey »

Seminole (Budd Boetticher 1953) Oh Liberal Westerns, will you never learn? Some Civil War-era military leaders think Indians are bad. Others find them misunderstood. Conflict ensues. Honor is debated. Indians are killed. Rock Hudson forgot to inflect his voice for a lot of this movie, too-- whoops. Also, apparently you can beat the Hays Code and walk away from a murder if you're an Indian.

Backlash (John Sturges 1956) I was wondering how long I could go in this project before encountering a real curveball to shake up my Top Ten. Here it is. Sturges is beyond uneven, but even his previous highs did not prepare me for what's going on here with this tightly-constructed piece of pure entertainment. Above all else, this is the Richard Widmark Show, and if you're a fan (ie: if you are reading this forum), get ready to see the most Widmarkian perf of his career. He gets so many choice, well-timed wisecracks and asides that the film plays as a tonal cousin to North-by-Northwest and really, once I made that spiritual connection, I understood why I was so utterly delighted by every clever plot machination, witty line, and episodic adventure Backlash offers in its slim running time. Hell, this might even make Top Five.

(If you're looking for this, and you should be, Optimum put it out in R2 and the disc is a stunner)
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domino harvey wrote: get ready to see the most Widmarkian perf of his career.
Even more than Kiss of Death a.k.a. the performance that puts a shit film into the must see pile? I can't imagine him getting any loonier than that.
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domino harvey wrote:Seminole (Budd Boetticher 1953) Oh Liberal Westerns, will you never learn? Some Civil War-era military leaders think Indians are bad. Others find them misunderstood. Conflict ensues. Honor is debated. Indians are killed. Rock Hudson forgot to inflect his voice for a lot of this movie, too-- whoops. Also, apparently you can beat the Hays Code and walk away from a murder if you're an Indian.

Backlash (John Sturges 1956) I was wondering how long I could go in this project before encountering a real curveball to shake up my Top Ten. Here it is. Sturges is beyond uneven, but even his previous highs did not prepare me for what's going on here with this tightly-constructed piece of pure entertainment. Above all else, this is the Richard Widmark Show, and if you're a fan (ie: if you are reading this forum), get ready to see the most Widmarkian perf of his career. He gets so many choice, well-timed wisecracks and asides that the film plays as a tonal cousin to North-by-Northwest and really, once I made that spiritual connection, I understood why I was so utterly delighted by every clever plot machination, witty line, and episodic adventure Backlash offers in its slim running time. Hell, this might even make Top Five.

(If you're looking for this, and you should be, Optimum put it out in R2 and the disc is a stunner)
I see Backlash stars the legendary Ed Platt of 'Get Smart' fame.
As a rule I'm not really a fan of Widmark in Westerns.
And I've never found Sturges especially inspiring, either.
Although in its favour is the fact that it was a very good year!
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knives wrote:I finally got to watching Shane and I'm sure I would have liked it a lot more had I not been laughing due to memories of that Hey, Arnold episode with a similar name. I couldn't hear a word of the climax because of that. Beyond that personal oddity though I find it to be a reasonably made, reasonably entertaining, reasonable film. There's nothing to special here, the relationship with the boy is cute if heavy handed and occasionally too precocious. The film wastes Jean Arthur and the villain is a totally uninteresting non-entity, but everyone else gives enough for me to leave content if empty. I'm sure I won't remember a thing in the morning.
Perhaps you're just jaded; last time I watched it, perhaps about 10 years ago, I thought it was a beautiful piece of work; as is the source novel
Stevens, generally, isn't the most inspiring of directors, but he somehow managed to produce a handful of great films.
Jack Palance "a totally uninteresting non-entity"??? [-X
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#214 Post by domino harvey »

knives wrote:
domino harvey wrote: get ready to see the most Widmarkian perf of his career.
Even more than Kiss of Death a.k.a. the performance that puts a shit film into the must see pile? I can't imagine him getting any loonier than that.
This isn't the kooky Widmark, this is the smarmy but suave Widmark. I was absolutely dying at so many of his lines in this film. And that'd be enough to recommend anyways but the film really is extremely clever and well-constructed, with a story that immediately plunks Richard Widmark and Donna Reed down right in the middle of the shit and only gradually explains piece by piece what's going on around them. Foes and friends mingle and shift within bizarre swaths of social circles that surround our heroes at every turn, and the characters are operating both within and outside of a larger narrative they are only partly responsible for-- this is all the beautifully composed structure of a classic film.
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domino harvey wrote:
knives wrote:
domino harvey wrote: get ready to see the most Widmarkian perf of his career.
Even more than Kiss of Death a.k.a. the performance that puts a shit film into the must see pile? I can't imagine him getting any loonier than that.
This isn't the kooky Widmark, this is the smarmy but suave Widmark. I was absolutely dying at so many of his lines in this film. And that'd be enough to recommend anyways but the film really is extremely clever and well-constructed, with a story that immediately plunks Richard Widmark and Donna Reed down right in the middle of the shit and only gradually explains piece by piece what's going on around them. Foes and friends mingle and shift within bizarre swaths of social circles that surround our heroes at every turn, and the characters are operating both within and outside of a larger narrative they are only partly responsible for-- this is all the beautifully composed structure of a classic film.
I actually quite fancied Donna Reed in 'The Donna Reed Show'; even more than Shelley Fabares, who was more my age
(even if she was about 15 years or so older than me at the time!)
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#216 Post by domino harvey »

She's in Walsh's Gun Fury too, which also stars, coincidentally enough, Rock Hudson. I remember liking it but cannot actually remember anything else about it right now (and I only just saw it last year)
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#217 Post by Yojimbo »

The reviews, on Amazon, at least don't seem too enthusiastic about it, either.
I've placed 'Backlash' in my basket, nonetheless; its a decent enough price.

btw, my late father wrote a bunch of Western novels (as well as a few crime novels); I've got a couple of paperbacks here beside me if anyone's interested; one cover in particular has nice artwork
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domino harvey wrote: This isn't the kooky Widmark, this is the smarmy but suave Widmark. I was absolutely dying at so many of his lines in this film. And that'd be enough to recommend anyways but the film really is extremely clever and well-constructed, with a story that immediately plunks Richard Widmark and Donna Reed down right in the middle of the shit and only gradually explains piece by piece what's going on around them. Foes and friends mingle and shift within bizarre swaths of social circles that surround our heroes at every turn, and the characters are operating both within and outside of a larger narrative they are only partly responsible for-- this is all the beautifully composed structure of a classic film.
As a general rule I always prefer kooky, but in Widmark's case smarmy is just as good. He's just a delight whenever he's playing the extreme of a personality. Really love your description of the story too. I usually don't follow the story so this sounds too perfect for me.
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Cat Ballou (Elliot Silverstein 1965) Not particularly funny (though I did enjoy the little runner about an ex-congressman who gave talking tours about how Indians are really a lost tribe of Israel), but well-directed and staged, and mostly entertaining. And since it's a Western Comedy that isn't unbearable, it goes without saying that technically, given the frequent commentary by Stubby Kaye and Nat King Cole's minstrels, this is a musical. I like Lee Marvin and was expecting big things from him here, but I was pretty disappointed with both of his characters. How he swept all the big acting awards this year is why actors pay publicists.

Honky Tonk (Jack Clayton 1941) Casting Clark Gable as a smooth-talking confidence man is so obviously a good idea that the film benefits best when it just lets him showboat his oratory maneuvering. Less successful is his romantic pining toward Lana Turner, who is still something of cinematic deadwood at this stage of her career. Frank Morgan too plays to his strengths as a blustery idiot. There's some fun scenes, like Gable bluffing his way through a game of Russian Roulette, and pretty much any screen time Gable shares with the flirty Claire Trevor is a riot, but while this is grand entertainment and well-crafted studio product, there's not much else going on.
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#220 Post by zedz »

domino harvey wrote:Backlash (John Sturges 1956)

(If you're looking for this, and you should be, Optimum put it out in R2 and the disc is a stunner)
Thanks for the tip. I see that there's a huge number of films in the same range, almost all of them dirt cheap at the moment on Amazon (around 5 quid, before VAT is removed).

Lots of films there that are must-sees for this project:
The True Story of Jesse James (Ray)
The Return of Frank James (Lang)
Johnny Guitar (Ray)
Terror in a Texas Town (Lewis)
Day of the Outlaw (De Toth)
Man of the West (Mann) - they've even thrown in the Mann / Stewart Thunder Bay, even though it's not a western
Rancho Notorious (Lang)
Canyon Passage (Tourneur)
The Ox-Bow Incident (Wellman)
and apparently Backlash (Sturges)

There's also The King and Four Queens (Walsh), which I doubt will make anybody's list, but it's minor fun, and Seminole (Boetticher), which domino reviewed above.

But wait, there's more!

Anybody have strong recommendations for any of the following?
Gunfight at Dodge City
Bullet for a Badman
The Last Wagon
The Glory Guys
White Feather
Man with the Gun
Rawhide
Stranger on the Run
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#221 Post by domino harvey »

Man With the Gun is pretty bad, with lots of TV blocking common of the era. It has an unearned "unsung" reputation on the strength of it's opening, in which one of the baddies callously shoots a dog, but nothing else that follows delivers

And I reviewed Stranger on the Run a few pages back
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Re: The Western List Discussion and Suggestions (Genre Proje

#222 Post by sidehacker »

This was pretty early in the thread, but still...
Tribe wrote:
domino harvey wrote:Well, North American maybe (plenty of Mexico-set westerns!)
There are westerns situated in Canada, aren't there? I can't recall any, but I gotta think....
Raoul Walsh's (totally forgettable) Saskatchewan. Unfortunately, despite his experience with genre, Walsh never really made a western on par with his noir or gangster or miscellaneous crime films, with the exception of Colorado Territory. I actually like it more than the original, High Sierra.

I want to throw in a good word for Andre De Toth's Riding Shotgun, which is easily Randolph Scott's best work outside of the Ranown cycle. It's remarkably short, even for a western, but it covers so much ground in a little over an hour.
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Re: The Western List Discussion and Suggestions (Genre Proje

#223 Post by Yojimbo »

First viewing of Junior Bonner, which is one of Peckinpah's less feted films, which isn't altogether too surprising.
The story itself is rather slight, and features many stock characters, and given his prominence in the film, I wonder whether McQueen had more clout than the director, as was the case with 'The Getaway'.
But he's decent enough here, in a role which largely requires him to look wistful, and laconic, and brooding.
A heavyweight support cast, including a somewhat typecast Robert Preston, Ida Lupino, Joe Don Baker, and The Great Ben Johnson are largely under-utilised, but do their best with the flimsy material.
Highlights are Lucien Ballard's gorgeous widescreen cinematography, - especially those scenes featuring a panoramic Arizona desert backdrop, and excitingly filmed rodeo sequences
(the barroom brawl quickly got tedious and didn't really belong in this film)
(halfway through watching it I looked into the availability of Nicholas Ray's 'The Lusty Men', and was disappointed)

Culpepper Cattle Company was both better and worse than I remembered it: better, in the thrillingly staged and choreographed violence of the gunplay; and worse in that the cinematography wasn't as elegiac as my memory led me to believe, and I was somewhat disappointed with the somewhat traditional nature of the ending.
John McLiam as the ruthless land baron almost stole the film based on the few brief scenes he appeared in; I didn't recognise the actor playing the 'good' gunslinger but he was also impressive.
70's action film stalwarts, Bo Hopkins, Royal Dano, Billy 'Green' Bush, and Clint Eastwood side-kick, Geoffrey Lewis, also made their presence felt.
The ubiquitous Anthony James who was the late 60's/early 70's resident weirdo/psycho, played a 'reverend' here; self-styled, or otherwise.

Despite my reservations, either film could make my 50: 'Bonner', because its Peckinpah, and the beautiful cinematography; 'Culpepper', for nostalgia reasons, and because its one of the better 'revisionist', or more natural Westerns
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Re: The Western List Discussion and Suggestions (Genre Proje

#224 Post by PillowRock »

Re: Lee Marvin in Cat Ballou
domino harvey wrote:How he swept all the big acting awards this year is why actors pay publicists.
I believe that I've seen Marvin quoted as saying that his horse won him that Supporting Actor Oscar in the "drunken leaning against the wall" scene.
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Re: The Western List Discussion and Suggestions (Genre Proje

#225 Post by HistoryProf »

domino harvey wrote:I'll get to a reasoned defense at some point (I need to rewatch it and fearing a Criterion reissue I left it in storage, much to my regret now)

So, first film up on my Western Project Viewing was Anthony Mann's Devil's Doorway. As earlier stated, Mann will be dominating my list and I'm known to take screwy affinities to little-beloved dogs (Ask me about how Cimarron will be in my Top 20), so I was amped up for this one. But it too falls victim to the Liberal Western Curse-- Cheyenne Autumn gets a pass (barely) but while High Noon and Broken Arrow's main problems are not confined to their politics, something about it doesn't help either. So here we have Robert Taylor in a terrible performance that makes me rescind all the nice things I've been saying about him of late as the naive Native American who thinks just because he fights for his country, his country will fight for him. Injustice spreads and his land is threatened and so on. This is all pretty rote and Mann doesn't seem very interested in the story. His indifference on occasion leads to interesting set piece distractions and the Alton touch helps, but there's only really one reason to see Devil's Doorway, if you must at all, and that's Louis Calhern. Calhern's not given much on the page, but it's how he plays the villain that's really worth noting. Calhern is capable of going over the top with aplomb to rescue an underwritten role (see Heaven Can Wait or the Man in the Cloak), but resists here by not overcompensating or phoning it in and instead playing the role of the mysterious shit-stirrer with a total absence of morality either way that gives him a true and unnerving chaotic presence in the film. That Mann dispatches with everything Calhern does here so blithely damns the picture more than its other competing flaws.
I know it all seems rote and silly now, but it's important to remember that Devil's Doorway is actually an historic landmark in the presentation of American Indians in film - it is the first to present them sympathetically, and it joins Broken Arrow as the vanguard of realizing Indians as actual people - though the process remains sadly unfinished.

Both will be in my top 50.
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