Forthcoming Lists Discussion and Random Speculation Vol.3

[zedz]

Well you could get "first features by three NV directors" out of that, but not "the first three NV films". La Pointe courte is, as usual, the sticking point, and Rivette's debut was famously delayed, even though it was started before many of the others. Rohmer was even more of a late starter ('62).

[domino harvey]

But if they're doing a first films by the Young Turks box, it could very well look exactly like the above. I doubt they'd stick Les Cousins in an Eclipse though, as I strongly suspect they'll import over Adrian Martin's Madman commentary

[justeleblanc]

Well you could get "first features by three NV directors" out of that, but not "the first three NV films". La Pointe courte is, as usual, the sticking point, and Rivette's debut was famously delayed, even though it was started before many of the others. Rohmer was even more of a late starter ('62).

Varda wasn't a Cahiers writer so she wouldn't be in the box. Calling it New Wave is problematic as it's unclear whether we should open that term up to describe Varda or the Left Bankers, whether we should include Gallows or Melville, or whether we should keep it not only to the writers of Cahiers who became filmmakers, but specifically the 5 most commonly associated with the Cahiers->film moment.

If this were to be forthcoming it would most likely be Eclipse, yes? If not we could potentially see Gallows, Cleo, 400 Blows, Breathless, Hiroshima etc thrown in a massive box called THE NEW WAVE BEGINS or something similar that can probably sell.

[Cinephrenic]

There was a rumor of a New Wave set according to a Cahiers article a few years ago. I have it in the Eclipse section for a while now. It never turned into anything, but this could be a sign that it is coming...

How About:
The Soft Skin
Le signe du lion
Le beau serge
The Cousins
Paris Belongs to Us
Zazie dans le métro

[domino harvey]

Zazie dans le metro parodies the nouvelle vague though by taking its perceived cartoonish editing strategies to their logical extremes (no wonder it ruffled the feathers of so many Cahiers writers!)

[justeleblanc]

There was a rumor of a New Wave set according to a Cahiers article a few years ago. I have it in the Eclipse section for a while now. It never turned into anything, but this could be a sign that it is coming...

How About:
The Soft Skin
Le signe du lion
Le beau serge
The Cousins
Paris Belongs to Us
Zazie dans le métro

Boy would that not be a huge film dump! Perhaps they'll also release their remaining Bergmans, Fellinis, and Ozus in a box called Some Art Films We Own. \:D/

I'm not sure if Zazie would really fit, same with The Soft Skin as neither are really quintessential wave films. I'd hate to ignite this discussion though.

[zedz]

Really, Criterion would be crazy to dump most of those films in an Eclipse set. I'd even go so far as to say they'd be crazy to dump them in a big lavish Criterion box set, since it would be sort of random and most of those would be high profile titles all on their own.

(And I really don't want to go there again, as I know I've been there before, but the idea that the nouvelle vague excluded the Left Bank filmmakers is ahistorical. Not even the Cahiers-associated filmmakers felt this way.)

[cinemartin]

I agree with the last point. The New Wave started with the trinity of Les Cousins, 400 Blows, and Hiroshima Mon Amour. I don't think you could underestimate the effect Resnais had on ushering in the Nouvelle Vague.

[Zazou dans le Metro]

I don't think you could underestimate the effect Resnais had on ushering in the Nouvelle Vague.

By editing La Pointe Courte??..,,,,,,,,an alternative echo to zedz's point (curt)
Also the two Chabrol's are coming on blu in France in october and I think have been confirmed as Criterions so I doubt whether they'd be "squandered" in a loosely themed box set.

[Cold Bishop]

By editing La Pointe Courte??

Well, there were a few obscure documentaries he did around that time. :-"

[Zazou dans le Metro]

Any particular Resnais docs you' d like to whistle up that predate La Pointe as being the vanguard of the Nouvelle Vague?

[Cold Bishop]

Many of the documentaries of the era (Van Gogh, Night and Fog, Statues Also Die, Toute la mémoire du monde in particular) seem to me to be incredibly important in defining the modernity that was central to the New Wave. Nor do I think you can under-emphasize his contribution to La pointe courte. Varda herself describes editing the film with Resnais as her apprenticeship, his influence being so important in the shaping of the film.

[Zazou dans le Metro]

Nor do I think you can under-emphasize his contribution to La pointe courte. Varda herself describes editing the film with Resnais as her apprenticeship, his influence being so important in the shaping of the film.

That was precisely my point. Why are you whistling?
I think you can see Resnais' use of editing and his documentary work as shaping his own aesthetic and universe (in retrospect) but it would be difficult to see his work rather than him as a personality in
presaging the NV. It does as zedz points out start the hoary old argument about right bank Cahiers crew versus the left bank (in which Chris Marker co-author of les Statues is of course pivotal) in which present history would have the Cahiers mob as having landed the plaudits and the glamour of being the young turks who embody it.
Personally I don't see Resnais documentary work as being any advance on that of Grémillon or Franju (to pull just two out of the hat) but that is not to deny his influence as a film-maker. Funny though that he said that all he wanted to do was make musicals.

[justeleblanc]

The great Varda/Resnais debate...

[Ashirg]

Amazon has Time for Drunken Horses for pre-order from Lorber Films/Kino to be released February 15. I guess it can be crossed out from the Forthcoming Criterion List...

[chaddoli]

I saw Jerry Schatzberg's Puzzle of a Downfall Child starring Faye Dunaway last night at Film Forum, which was an incredible film, by the way. The first question was about the film's absence on home video around the world. Schatzberg said Carlotta was releasing it in France, and hopefully someone would release it in the US. I saw Janus people in the audience. Fingers crossed.

[Cinephrenic]

How do the Janus people look like? Are they earthly like us?

[dad1153]

I saw Jerry Schatzberg's Puzzle of a Downfall Child starring Faye Dunaway last night at Film Forum, which was an incredible film, by the way.

I was debating whether to go to this or stay home and watch the Patriots-Jets game (DVR isn't an option when watching an important NFL match). Well, the game turned out to be a boring ass-whooping so I guess I should have joined you at the theater. :(

[zedz]

The Janus People? Well, they're easy enough to spot in a crowd:

[chaddoli]

They did look exactly like that except with "Janus" written on the back of their reserved seats.

[heredity4me]

They did look exactly like that except with "Janus" written on the back of their reserved seats.

New York is so fancy.

[Zazou dans le Metro]

You sure they didn't say 'Anus' on the back of the seats so they know which way to sit down.

[ShellOilJunior]

Forgive me if this has been posted. Hi-def digest has these on their TBD slate. Note: I realize some have already been released. This may just be an error. Not sure but I'm listing everything in the TBD section found at:

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Ace in the Hole (Criterion)
The Complete Monterey Pop (Criterion Collection)
The Fugitive Kind (Criterion)
The Game (Criterion)
Gimme Shelter (incomplete) (Criterion Collection)
Hamlet (1948) (Criterion)
Homicide (1991) (Criterion)
The Missing (1982) (Criterion)
Salo: Or the 120 Days of Sodom (Criterion)
Shadows (1959) (Criterion)
Sweet Smell of Success (Criterion)
Walkabout (Criterion Collection)
Z (1969) (Criterion)

[Vegeta84]

Has anyone heard anything about Criterion finally releasing the Hideo Gosha films they have the right to? Such as "3 Outlaw Samurai", "Bandits Vs Samurai Squadron" and I wouldn't be surprised if they had the rights to "Tenchu" and "Hunter In The Dark" as well.

[TheGodfather]

What`s the status on Out 1 and the Qatsi trilogy? any more news on that? will they still be released or did they cancelled those?