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#301 Post by Gregory »

zedz wrote:Arbuckle / Keaton
I’ve worked my way through the first MoC disc, reacquainting myself with these fun, formative works. In general, it’s reinforced my earlier impression of the films, alluded to in my comments on Lloyd’s Ask Father. Most of the films are ‘first one thing, then another’ daisy chains of thematically related gags. There’s a set and a premise, and Arbuckle will explore one comic idea to its logical conclusion, then move on to the next, then find another, or if he can’t, change scenes or focus - as opposed to the more carefully constructed and interwoven strands of humour in the Lloyd film.
Of course, many of Arbuckle’s (and, increasingly, Keaton’s) comic ideas are brilliantly conceived and executed, but for me they rarely come together as a fully satisfying whole the way Keaton’s later shorts (or the contemporary Lloyds) do. But I’m certainly going to make an exception for Out West, which is a little more ambitious in its narrative structure than the preceding films and a lot more ambitious in its use of cinematic effects, particularly in the way Arbuckle will seamlessly blend purely physical comedy with camera tricks within a single gag or suite of gags. The (largely irrelevant to the rest of the film) opening sequence on the train is imaginative, audacious (Fatty grabbing ahold of the passing train at the last minute is a great moment) and pretty much perfectly paced and executed, and this is before we even get to Keaton, really starting to establish the boundaries of his screen persona.
My own Arbucklean viewing has been the unfortunately OOP set The Forgotten Films of..., which I found at the local library. One startling thing about seeing these was finding out that one of my favorite gags from the later Coney Island was actually reused from one of these early Keystones. It's when he looks into the camera and asks the camera operator to tilt the camera upward so he can change pants in the offscreen space. It's the kind of direct use of the medium of cinema itself that we see later in some of Keaton's shorts without Arbuckle; it's hardly the kind of joke I would expect to see in a Sennett film.

Suffice it to say the 1913-1915 films are typical of the majority of Sennett films. They're not bad, but it really is remarkable how much of a leap in quality there was in every area after Roscoe got away from Sennett's influence and direct control. 1916 works like He Did and He Didn't and Waiters' Ball are just outstanding, as good as anything he appears in on the Keaton/Arbuckle set.

Of the latter collaborations, I want to put in a word for the underappreciated His Wedding Night, which I love mainly because it's so strange. In addition to the gags involving the drugging of women and policemen, we have a rare early example of the sissy who would of course later become a stock character. But as for strangeness, nothing beats the bit where Arbuckle puts his head under a mule's rear end and then allows the animal to sit on him... my god! It's not that it's one of Roscoe's best executed or even funniest gags, but so many of these early comedies are based on similar, often repetitive types of bits that I think it earns extra points for going that far into the bizarre.
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#302 Post by myrnaloyisdope »

I agree with your thoughts on Arbuckle. His post-Sennett work can be very good, as he starts to move beyond the brick-throwing and into some different territory. I do find Arbuckle's work to be very inconsistent, but the flourishes of genius that occur make it well worth sitting through the duds.

I watched Madame DuBarry a couple nights ago, and while it wasn't entirely satisfying, I think it's definitely of interest. The restoration is lovely, and thankfully someone made some subs, so I didn't have to really on my French. It's easily the grimmest Lubitsch film I've seen, I would be surprised if he made anything darker. It's a bit off-putting especially given the light tone of the first half hour or so, which appears to be setting up to be a playful Lubitschian love triangle, before getting bogged down by political intrigue and romantic implications that are played with deathly seriousness. The final hour or so is devoted to the degradation and punishment of Pola Negri, before finally getting her head lopped of to end the film. It's an odd mix of tones that doesn't work well for me.

The set design is most impressive as is the costuming. Pola Negri cuts a compelling figure, and Jannings is interesting as the buffoonish King Louis XV.

I also picked up the Fairbanks boxset from Flicker Alley and have made it through the first disc. His Picture in the Papers is very slight, but fun, with some clever intertitles, and a good showcase for Fairbanks rambunctious persona. The Mystery of the Leaping Fish was pretty terrible, with of course the main interest being Fairbanks' cocaine fueled detective, but even that gets old after about 5 minutes.

Flirting with Fate was a nice surprise, Fairbanks is a struggling artist with his eyes on a wealthy socialite. His attempts to win her heart fail and lead him to contemplate suicide. He hires an assassin named Automatic Joe to do the deed, but soon regrets his decision leading to a second half filled with paranoid delusions of his assassin plotting various schemes to lead to his demise. It's a sort of proto-black comedy.
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#303 Post by myrnaloyisdope »

Finally finished up the Gaumont set after about 2 months of off and on watching. Here's some brief thoughts on the highlights for me:

Alice Guy
Alice Guy tourne une phonoscène - perhaps the first making-of film, the camera is set up behind Guy, and films the whole set as well as Guy's directing and the cameraman. It has a haunting, ghostly quality as if the viewer is an apparition watching the secrets and magic of film unfold.

Faust et Méphistophélès - a delerious and maddening 2 minute interpretation of Faust, replete with rapid fire stop-motion changes. The Land-Speed Record of classical literary adapatations.

La naissance, la vie et la mort du Christ - I'm a sucker for passion-play films, I didn't enjoy this one as much as the Ferdinand Zecca version, but still it's a solid retelling.

Louis Feuillade
Le récit du colonel - boisterous and simple, but a lot of fun. The gag is that the colonel gets so worked up in recounting his war heroics to his dinner party that he practically destroys everything around him. The final shot with the bandaged and maimed dinner guests is a great payoff that really cements the gag.

Le cœur et l'argent - touching and melodramatic, possibly my favorite film from the entire set. The final shot is of course a powerful jolt. It's a nicely composed film, that makes great use of the evocative French countryside and in some ways reminded me of Renoir's Partie de campagne.

La nativité - the birth of Christ and his escape from Herod's execution order, it's not overly memorable save for the stunning Merson-inspired final shot of Mary holding Jesus while resting on the Sphinx.

La tare - Another strong melodrama, about class differences and societal propriety. Anchored by a wonderful performance by Renee Carl.

Leonce Perret
Léonce aime les morilles - Fun and charming film featuring Leonce and Poupette hunting for mushrooms unsuccessfully. Plenty of gags including an unfortunate Englishman who ends up eating a sponge and becoming so thirsty he drinks a reservoir.

L'enfant de Paris - easily Perret's most famous film, I'm not as enamoured with it is as some are, but it's a very strong feature by 1913 standards (and a fine film by today's standards), and certainly is worth a look.

Le roman d'un mousse - the other feature included in the boxset. The film is about a wealthy countess who falls for a slimy business man set on exploiting her weathy and her son who gets sent off to work as a ship-boy. It's uneven and occasionally slow-going but the ship sequences are outstanding, particularly when the boy and his surrogate guardian are floating on a dinghy in the middle of the sea. It's a shame the film didn't focus more on the boy's ship life, as that is the most interesting part of the film. Perret makes great use of the ocean backdrop, and more than a few shots reminded me of Land Beyond the Sunset.

Le chrysanthème rouge - a neat comedy with Leonce and his rival vieing for the affections of young woman. They are commanded to bring her favorite flower to her and whoever does so first wins her hand. After numerous times bringing her flowers, her hand is won when her new lover cuts himself open and bleeds over a white chrysanthemum. The singular use of hand-coloring to change the flower to red is infinitely more interesting than anything Spielberg could muster up.

Sur les rails - a railroad love triangle in the mode of Other Men's Women, and La Bête humaine, it's gritty, rough, and bleak. The outdoor settings are used to great advantage, and the performances are strong.
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#304 Post by Gregory »

Alice Guy directed what is one of the most blatant portrayals of sexual desire I've seen in any film of the era, La Femme Collante (The Sticky Woman), and I think she got away with it just because it was a comedy. It's such a crass film that while I'm pretty sure audiences found it riotously funny I would love to know whether anyone found it completely offensive, as well. I can't help but marvel at the possible symbolism of a woman getting "stuck" in a kiss with a strange man and then having his mustache inexplicably plastered across her face as a result. As with many of her works, it perfectly captured life's absurdity.
myrnaloyisdope wrote:La tare - Another strong melodrama, about class differences and societal propriety. Anchored by a wonderful performance by Renee Carl.
The story is total schmaltz, in my opinion, but the whole thing is almost redeemed by a gorgeous scene at the end, in which
Spoiler
the main character contemplates suicide.
The abruptness with which it ends, and the final intertitle, make me wonder just how much, and what exactly, did not survive.
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#305 Post by Tommaso »

"Regeneration":

Thanks, zedz, for the reminder. This is indeed an astonishing film for its time, for all the reasons you mentioned. While I don't normally care for that genre too much, I certainly was impressed, especially as the later 'noirish' associations of the gangster picture are absent here for the most part and we indeed get an almost documentary approach instead. There is a certain unpolished roughness that makes the film much more of a social drama than a 'stylish' gangster film in the first place. It is also a good example of how you can convincingly bring across a social message without the slightlest hint of preachyness a la Weber.

What Walsh has taken from Griffith, he has indeed mastered completely, though I cannot see how he is more accomplished than D.W., but that may have to do with my general admiration for Griffith's technique. But especially the climactic end of the scene on the ship is very impressive and fabulously edited. A very good film, no doubt about it.
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#306 Post by HerrSchreck »

Wow Tom, you should be beaten with a stale trout for waiting so long so see this great film.

For lifetime NY'ers whove spent a lot of time around the Bowery and the Lower East Side, it's just heaven, even outside of the magnif technique.

And Anna Q is hot as tobasco doused with burning napalm to me for some reason in this.

Speaking of the Bowery, the new restoration performed by Cineteca Bologna, released in France on DVD, of Rogosin's astonishing ON THE BOWERY is absolutely obligatory.
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#307 Post by Tommaso »

I offer my sincere apologies, Schreck. But American silents are still somewhat terra incognita for me, though the situation has gotten a bit better in the last year or so. I'm glad to have squeezed in the Walsh in any case, given all my German filmwatching at the moment...
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#308 Post by knives »

Does the DVD come with the same doc as the VHS for Regeneration. It's not particularly grand or anything, but just an interesting look into the past.
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#309 Post by HerrSchreck »

I think the disc version comes with another film, a melodrama called YOUNG ROMANCE.

The Kino VHS (which I still rely on) has, I think, an old Edison short w the NYC POlice. Or maybe I'm thinking of G L Tucker's TRAFFIC IN SOULS?

Haven't dug them suckers out inna dogs age...
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#310 Post by swo17 »

HerrSchreck wrote:I think the disc version comes with another film, a melodrama called YOUNG ROMANCE.
Correct. I'm not sure what the two films have in common though. Young Romance is not directed by Walsh and it's kind of more of a comedy.
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#311 Post by zedz »

Chaplin’s Mutual Specials

After finishing off the Arbuckle / Keatons (my favourite of the remainder being The Hayseed), I worked my way through Chaplin’s Mutual films. Unfortunately, the exercise only cemented my anti-Chaplin bias. The best of the bunch remains Easy Street, which is, probably not coincidentally, the best-constructed film dramatically. The others just seem to be strings of schtick, sometimes interwoven with strings of simplistic pathos. That mixture is one of the things that made Chaplin a breakthrough artist, but Arbuckle, Keaton and Lloyd were, for me, better at the schtick, and Griffith was better at the pathos.

Chaplin would develop into a very skilled filmmaker – and that gets me over the bump with some of his features, at least until the message-mongering puffs up into unpalatability – but these earlier films are rudimentary in that respect, with Chaplin’s performance doing most of the heavy lifting.

Even in a tour-de-force like One A.M., I simply don’t find him as strong and inventive a physical comedian as the three aforementioned clowns. He tends to work ideas into the ground so that even the momentary grace of an initial routine palls, or he undercuts the skill of a particular move with please-love-me mugging. Finally, fatally, I just don’t find the films funny, and I don’t buy Charlie as a dramatic protagonist, so I'm out in the cold in two respects.

Easy Street and The Adventurer are the best of the bunch for me, but I doubt that either will make my final list.

The Wishing Ring

A fluent and charming early feature, nicely shot and certainly very impressive for 1913, but I’m afraid I wasn’t excited enough to push anything down my list to make way for it. I’d appreciate any insight Tourneur-philes can offer for its particular genius.


Finally, I’ve been looking at my short list and, even after this intensive and rewarding viewing exercise, I haven’t made it to 50 films that I’m absolutely passionate about. With the other lists, I’ve got used to having 80 or more must-haves vying for inclusion in the final list, and the pain of exclusion is one of the defining features of the list-making process.

Unfortunately, this time around, the pain drains away at around the 30 mark, with many of the remaining spaces devoted to, frankly, filler – interesting curios or films I admire rather than adore. And I’ll feel uncomfortable giving votes to films I don’t love without reservation. I’m wondering how other list-makers are faring?
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#312 Post by knives »

I'm having that trouble too. The fact I won't be able to get to stuff like Sir Arne's Treasure makes it the more annoying. I don't have any films I dislike on the list, but the power passion begins to wear off around twenty. I'm still trying to get as much as I can before the deadline (31st correct?) but the fact that not one feature won't be off my list says a great deal about what's been available to me.
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#313 Post by Tommaso »

Funny, I have a totally contrary impression at the moment. There are so many films in the period that I genuinely like, sometimes love, that I find honing the list down to 50 a hard task. The problem is not least that I think many directors deserve more than one or two entries, but I then think it would be problematic if my top ten contained, say, three Bauers and at least two Feuillades, though I think strictly speaking they should be all up there, probably with some Tourneurs thrown in for good measure. And there is certainly more to discover or to re-watch still.... I hardly dare to ask for another deadline extension, but the amount of quality cinema from the time is certainly surprising for me.

But finally: knives, whatever you do the next two weeks, watch "Sir Arne". Really, this film should be seen by everyone partaking in this list-making.
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#314 Post by Gregory »

I don't have that problem because there are dozens of short films from the period that I love. I will easily be able to reach fifty by including a few favorites from each of certain key categories, such as Lumière, Edison, Méliès, animation, Griffith, Bauer, as well as a couple of Alice Guy's, A Day in the Life of a Coal Miner, The Little Match Seller (from '02), a few different comedies, and then all the features I plan to include will easily fill it out. I've been a little too feature-biased on my previous lists, sometimes only including one or two shorts. Doing anything like that this time would have certainly been unthinkable.
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#315 Post by reno dakota »

I'm not having any trouble filling my list, either. I currently have about 60 films (mostly features) that I am absolutely passionate about and I still have several promising titles left to see.

And, knives, I have to agree with Tommaso about Sir Arne's Treasure. Check your local libraries or do a free-trial with Netflix if you have to, but don't miss it.
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#316 Post by swo17 »

These things are so subjective, and keep in mind that I have already watched like (holy crap) 1200 films from this period, but yeah, there are probably 60-70 films for which I would describe my feelings as "love," "really like," or at least "greatly admire," all of which I would have no reservations about giving a vote in the final tally, and some of which it's going to hurt to keep off. My problem at this point is that I started out watching shorts, and at the time I thought maybe 20 would make my list, but now I keep kicking them off and replacing them with features. Come to think of it, nine Bauer films is probably a bit much, isn't it? :-k

In general though, if people are having trouble filling out to 50, and this is because of timing (i.e. still waiting for Netflix to ship some of those "short waits") I would not be opposed to another deadline extension. (Remember, I originally suggested we have until June 30.) Certainly, if enough people want to see, say, Sir Arne's but aren't thinking they'll have time to fit it in (seriously, knives, just buy it already) we should maybe be talking about extending. With a case like zedz, on the other hand (who I always assume has seen at least three times more films than me), if you've seen just about all you're going to see and really don't feel like going up to 50, I see no problem with some people submitting partial lists (where their number one counts as much as my number one, and so on). The problem would be people submitting lists of 30 that haven't gone to much effort to explore what's available, though I suspect anyone bothering to participate in the project is taking it somewhat seriously.

As a final note, not to brag, but if there is anything super rare that anyone wants to see (that could help go to filling out a top 50) I probably have it--send me a PM and it's yours.
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#317 Post by zedz »

I've had a recount, and it's actually closer to 40 for the pain threshold to kick in, as there are a couple of films in that final 10 I'd want to squeeze in (Il fuoco and In the Land of the War Canoes). In the worst case scenario, I could happily bolster numbers 41-50 with various Mitchell & Kenyons or Lumieres, since I like many of those a lot more than the stragglers on my short list (which are all films I like - about 60 in total).

There is one big wild card for me in that the Edison box which I ordered from the Kino sale ages ago has only just shipped. It should get to me before the deadline, but I doubt I'll be able to view the whole thing in time, so if people want to nominate their top five, I'll happily cherry pick the set. Actually, to make this simpler, you could just let me know which films from the set you'll personally be voting for.

We haven't really done the swapsie thing this time around (probably since we're all fishing from the same small pond to a much greater extent than with other lists), but the promotion of Sir Arne's Treasure - which is indeed unmissable - suggests that this might be a good time for "if you only see one more film" recommendations.

Which I will immediately screw up by recommending two films, since they've been arm-wrestling for my top spot since this project was first suggested and re-viewings have done nothing to settle the matter. So if you only see one more film for this list project, make it both of these:
Interior New York Subway 14th Street to 42nd Street (Bitzer, 1905) - available on Treasures from American Film Archives Vol 2 (I think it's Volume 2) and Unseen Cinema
The Outlaw and His Wife (Sjostrom, 1918) - available on Kino DVD
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#318 Post by HerrSchreck »

Whatever you do w the Kino EDISON, dont miss THE PASSERBY.
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#319 Post by knives »

swo17 wrote:(seriously, knives, just buy it already) I probably have it--send me a PM and it's yours.
Actually bought it and a few others about three days ago, but the shipping is supposedly delayed for two weeks, but may ship sooner. Also if it did sound like I was down on the period, I should note I've been having a blast and a half, but that while there is a lot of fun and interesting stuff I've introduced myself to, not much of it (about twenty-seven) do I have a severe passion for. I guess I should throw out a few of those lovelies I guess.
Spring: A bit like the missing section of Fantasia this bizarre, bright ballet bursts with emotion in every frame. It is a purely instinctual piece, but it nevertheless has a strange force.
The Mystery of the Rocks of Kador: A movie as good as its name is long. L'enfant didn't work for me much beyond its trappings, but this one took me by force. Fantastic overacting and a oddly structured solution almost turns this a death by cinema film.
Regeneration: I think Zedz has given this enough lip service (though I'm in love with it because of the few noir elements it has) but it deserves an other hurrah.
Frankenstein: This creepy early adaption seems to take a Hyde interpretation all for the better.
La Piene du Talion: This is on the flicker Alley Saved From the Flames disc. Basically everything I said about Spring, but with the addition that it has the best stenciling job ever.
Avenue de L'Opera: This will be my last suggestion. This is the only actuality I'll be voting for, and honestly I don't know why. There's something in its basic form that just speaks to me.
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#320 Post by swo17 »

zedz wrote:"if you only see one more film" recommendations
Sticking only to films that are slightly less readily available, I'm going to have to go with When the Clouds Roll By from the Flicker Alley Fairbanks set, and this Lumière Brothers film right here.
zedz wrote:just let me know which films from the Edison set you'll personally be voting for.
The 'Teddy' Bears! Though it helps to know the historical context behind it. This is actually also on one of the Treasures sets (II, I think) which includes a nice, helpful write up.
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#321 Post by reno dakota »

zedz wrote: Interior New York Subway 14th Street to 42nd Street (Bitzer, 1905) - available on Treasures from American Film Archives Vol 2 (I think it's Volume 2) and Unseen Cinema
It's on disc 4 of the Treasures, vol. 1 set, actually, or disc 5 of the Unseen Cinema set. As for the Edison set, The Passer-by, Dickson Experimental Sound Film (which I know you've seen, zedz), and Pan-American Exposition by Night are my favorites so far, but I'm still going through the set.

And, my "if you see only one more film" (other than Sir Arne's Treasure) recommendations are: Bauer's After Death (from the Mad Love disc) and Christensen's Blind Justice (from the DFI Christensen disc).
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swo17 wrote:
zedz wrote:just let me know which films from the Edison set you'll personally be voting for.
The 'Teddy' Bears! Though it helps to know the historical context behind it. This is actually also on one of the Treasures sets (II, I think) which includes a nice, helpful write up.
I prefer the Teddy Bears with no historical context. It gives it a nice dadaist feel.
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#323 Post by lubitsch »

Unpleasent job to be the hard taskmaster, but ...
... please consider this project has a running time of four months (February-May). If we would apply this ratio of viewing time per number of available films for the following decades, the 20s would last 2 years and the last decade ... 10 years???
My suggestion is: Please try hard to get ready for 1 June, for the moment this remains the deadline. If some of you have still films at Netflix pending or other important films you want to squeeze as last minute efforts, post it here at the weekend of 28-30 May with some estimate how things are going. Then we can talk it over and decide if we extend the project the last time 1-2 weeks. But I really want to keep things in proportion and because we can play the extension game until 2011 (there are always MORE films to see), let's stay with the date that is set.

Then there is another important point: Please
a) vote as you like,
b) for as many films as you like and
c) try to see as many of the famous films as you can

This means that there is a) no socially desired voting scheme. If you like Bauer and think he has made the 10 best films of the time, rank them 1-10 on your list. If you think Griffith and Chaplin are rubbish, don't include any of their films. We want real lists which reflect your appreciation of the films not copies of established canons or there would be hardly any point in this project.
Please b) don't fill the list up with films you think are merely fine. If you don't love 50 films from the era, then so be it. It's anyway the only time we will have this problem in the list project, but lists of 30-40 films are absolutely fine, if you tried to get a good look at the era, I'm not sure I will submit a full 50 films list.
And c) please try to cram the last important films you haven't seen in your viewing plan. Anyone crazy enough to participate in this list must be a true and serious film lover, but if you haven't seen the most important films of Chaplin, Griffith or Sir Arne's Treasure and explored some areas here and there, there's no point in voting as much as we like to have many lists from knowledgeable film buffs.
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#324 Post by thirtyframesasecond »

Behind the Screen and The Immigrant will be under consideration, as will Easy Street. The second volume didn't seem quite so impressive, I'll admit.
zedz wrote:Chaplin’s Mutual Specials

After finishing off the Arbuckle / Keatons (my favourite of the remainder being The Hayseed), I worked my way through Chaplin’s Mutual films. Unfortunately, the exercise only cemented my anti-Chaplin bias. The best of the bunch remains Easy Street, which is, probably not coincidentally, the best-constructed film dramatically. The others just seem to be strings of schtick, sometimes interwoven with strings of simplistic pathos. That mixture is one of the things that made Chaplin a breakthrough artist, but Arbuckle, Keaton and Lloyd were, for me, better at the schtick, and Griffith was better at the pathos.

Chaplin would develop into a very skilled filmmaker – and that gets me over the bump with some of his features, at least until the message-mongering puffs up into unpalatability – but these earlier films are rudimentary in that respect, with Chaplin’s performance doing most of the heavy lifting.

Even in a tour-de-force like One A.M., I simply don’t find him as strong and inventive a physical comedian as the three aforementioned clowns. He tends to work ideas into the ground so that even the momentary grace of an initial routine palls, or he undercuts the skill of a particular move with please-love-me mugging. Finally, fatally, I just don’t find the films funny, and I don’t buy Charlie as a dramatic protagonist, so I'm out in the cold in two respects.

Easy Street and The Adventurer are the best of the bunch for me, but I doubt that either will make my final list.

The Wishing Ring

A fluent and charming early feature, nicely shot and certainly very impressive for 1913, but I’m afraid I wasn’t excited enough to push anything down my list to make way for it. I’d appreciate any insight Tourneur-philes can offer for its particular genius.


Finally, I’ve been looking at my short list and, even after this intensive and rewarding viewing exercise, I haven’t made it to 50 films that I’m absolutely passionate about. With the other lists, I’ve got used to having 80 or more must-haves vying for inclusion in the final list, and the pain of exclusion is one of the defining features of the list-making process.

Unfortunately, this time around, the pain drains away at around the 30 mark, with many of the remaining spaces devoted to, frankly, filler – interesting curios or films I admire rather than adore. And I’ll feel uncomfortable giving votes to films I don’t love without reservation. I’m wondering how other list-makers are faring?
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Re: Pre 1920s List Discussion and Suggestions

#325 Post by myrnaloyisdope »

I have worked my way through a lot of the key stuff on DVD, as well as some rarities and obscurities from other channels. I would love to track down The Mother and the Law, and I wish I had the money to grab the Gaumont Premier Cinema vol 2. collection, the 3 Cohl films I've seen have impressed me very much.

Any recommendations from the backwaters of the internet that haven't been mentioned here? I will try and get to Il Fuoco if I can.

As for must see films, well The Life Story of David Lloyd George is essential I think, but sadly not the most easily available.

The Perils in the New Land disc from Flicker Alley is outstanding with two wonderful early features (The Italian and Traffic in Souls) and some interesting Edison films. So put that one in your netflix queue.

Suspense, The Land Beyond the Sunset and The Sinking of the Lusitania are essential shorts that will all fair highly in my voting.

zedz, for the Edison box make sure you at least watch the first disc, lots of interesting films on that one, and it has Boxing Cats on it.
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