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Gregory
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#1026 Post by Gregory »

Jonathan S wrote:Have Massingham's films been released anywhere on DVD yet?
There was supposed to be a big Massingham release a few years ago or more but it never emerged. Perhaps MichaelB or someone else happens to know whether this finally fell through or just has been on a back burner indefinitely.

The delightfully odd Mony a Pickle, which he worked on with McLaren and others, is on the We Live in Two Worlds GPO Unit set as well as the amazing McLaren set from Image/HVE.
HerrSchreck wrote:With dada, surrealism, and the (almost punk) aesthetic of American surrealism, I don't see what's so "serious" about the AG. Except for maybe it's French Impressionist incarnation alone.
I'm inclined to agree, for the most part, because I find that there's almost always some type of playfulness that's part and parcel of the spirit of experimentation. In the case of true exceptions to this, I almost never find much to appreciate in the results. An example I could name (and getting back on the topic of these Kino sets) is Isou's "Traite de Bave et d'Eternite." One might mistake the chiseling and related techniques in the film for a kind of playfulness or humor, but from what I know of Isou he was leading the charge in a spirit of rigidity and utter pomposity. This is not to deny the film its historical and critical importance. This is just one example; there have been all too many cases of over-serious, egotistical, didactic, and competitive types within the avant-garde, although perhaps this is largely a thing of the past. It goes against all the fundamental reasons experimental forms of expression are vital, at least to my way of thinking.
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Gregory wrote:
Jonathan S wrote:Have Massingham's films been released anywhere on DVD yet?
There was supposed to be a big Massingham release a few years ago or more but it never emerged. Perhaps MichaelB or someone else happens to know whether this finally fell through or just has been on a back burner indefinitely.
It's been on the cards for ages, and I believe it's not far off seeing the light of day, but I can't confirm a date yet.
The delightfully odd Mony a Pickle, which he worked on with McLaren and others, is on the We Live in Two Worlds GPO Unit set as well as the amazing McLaren set from Image/HVE.
...though the one on the McLaren set only features the first few minutes (i.e. the material shot by McLaren) - the GPO set has the complete film. Not that that should put anyone off buying the McLaren set, though, which is indeed amazing.
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#1028 Post by Jonathan S »

Thanks to you both. A big Massingham release sounds especially exciting as I didn't realise he'd done that much. I hope it might include The Cure - made near the end of his life, I think, and poking fun at doctors, rather more gently than Tell Me If It Hurts satirises dentists. The Cure is the title I have that isn't listed on imdb.
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#1029 Post by MichaelB »

The Screenonline Massingham filmography should be as comprehensive as anything, as I know this one was manually researched (i.e. it's not a cut and paste job from a possibly incomplete database).

And the main Screenonline biography also includes links to detailed pieces on ten individual films.
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MichaelB wrote:...though the [Mony a Pickle] on the McLaren set only features the first few minutes (i.e. the material shot by McLaren) - the GPO set has the complete film. Not that that should put anyone off buying the McLaren set, though, which is indeed amazing.
Ah yes, that's right. I guess I'd forgotten.
Good news that the Massingham set is still in the works.
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#1031 Post by Tribe »

Kino is coming out in a few days with The Toe Tactic and Take Out, they appear interesting to me but I know nothing about them. Anyone familiar with these movies?
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#1032 Post by BB »

Isn't there an "essential Kinos list" somewhere around here, or did I dream that up?
Being pretty much an ignoramous on silent films, I wanted to find a list of the most reccomended silent releases by Kino.
If not, I guess I'll start sifting through the 45 pages of this thread... a joy certainly! But rather time consuming.
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#1033 Post by Tommaso »

Here you go. It's not a list concerned with the importance of the films, but gives a great overview about which discs are worthwhile and which are somewhat dubious in quality. That said, Kino has GREATLY improved in the last few years, and I think basically all their more recent releases are at least of good to very good quality (talking about silents here, the one exception would be Sjöström's "Outlaw and his wife", which however remains more than watchable), if you don't mind the replaced intertitles on most of them.
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#1034 Post by BB »

Yes, that's what I remember looking at, thanks!
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#1035 Post by drdoros »

Tribe wrote:Kino is coming out in a few days with The Toe Tactic and Take Out, they appear interesting to me but I know nothing about them. Anyone familiar with these movies?
The Toe Tactic is a live film combined with animation. It's by Emily Hubley and a score by Yo La Tengo.
http://www.thetoetactic.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sy38HznJqRg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.timeout.com/film/newyork/rev ... actic.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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#1036 Post by Tribe »

Dave Kehr on Kino's Gaumont Box set:
French Innovation at Cinema’s Dawn
By DAVE KEHR

ALICE GUY was 22 in March 1895 when she took a job in Paris as a secretary to Léon Gaumont, an executive of the Comptoir Général de Photographie, specializing in photographic equipment. A few months later Gaumont bought the company, renamed it after himself, and began developing a product called the Chronophotographe.

The device was modeled on one developed by the Lumiére brothers of Lyon that allowed the filming of “vues animées”: photographs that seemed to move. Gaumont conducted some experiments with this novelty device, shooting a train arriving at a station, soldiers performing precision drills, workers leaving a factory — all subjects that the Lumiéres had covered before him.

“It seemed to me,” Alice Guy wrote many years later, “that one could do something else.” And so she persuaded her boss to let her make a few little films, on the condition that her activities didn’t interfere with her secretarial duties. Her first effort, a brief fantasy called “The Cabbage Patch Fairy,” became an early hit on the exhibition circuit (fairgrounds and vaudeville theaters) that was beginning to take shape. Before long Mademoiselle Alice, as she was called, became the first production chief at one of the world’s first movie studios.

There are no known copies of the 1895 version of “The Cabbage Patch Fairy,” but Guy’s 1900 remake (probably necessary because the original negative had worn out) is part of “Gaumont Treasures 1897-1913,” a fascinating three-disc set from Kino International.

This set is an abridged version, with English subtitles, of “Le Cinéma Premier,” a seven-disc collection issued in 2008 in France by Gaumont. (Still very much in business, Gaumont is probably the oldest continuing film production company in existence.) Serious students of early cinema probably already own the French original (which includes, for starters, all 65 of the surviving films Guy made in France), but the Kino set offers a satisfying, well-chosen sample for more casual visitors to this astoundingly rich, fast-moving period in film history.

The first disc in the Kino collection follows Guy’s career from 1897 to 1907, when she left for America to continue making films, founding her own studio in Fort Lee, N.J. The other discs are devoted to her successors as Gaumont’s head of production, Louis Feuillade (represented by 13 films made from 1907 to 1913) and Léonce Perret (represented by only two films, one of them, “The Child of Paris” from 1913, being Gaumont’s first feature-length production).

This was an era in which innovation was the norm and formal discoveries were being made almost daily, as documented in Richard Abel’s definitive history, “The Ciné Goes to Town: French Cinema, 1896-1914” (University of California Press, 1994). Too much was going on in too many places to credit specific filmmakers with specific developments, but, intriguingly, each director’s disc in the Kino set corresponds with a broad period of development.

During Guy’s heyday moving pictures were still a novelty and exploited as such: an attraction alongside the dancing girls, jugglers and two-headed calves at fairgrounds and dime museums. (Film scholars have adopted the term “cinema of attractions” to describe pre-narrative moviemaking.) Guy’s early films, most only a few minutes in length and filmed in a single shot, display pretty girls (“Bathing in a Stream,” 1897), camera trickery (running the film in reverse makes the traffic go backward in the 1900 “Avenue de l’Opera”), grotesque slapstick (“Turn of the Century Surgery,” 1900) and music hall acts (“Miss Dundee and Her Performing Dogs,” 1902), including many recorded with an early synchronized sound technique (half a dozen on this disc).

These single-shot films soon gave way to more complex constructions, which at first took the form of a series of disconnected images composed as painterly tableaus (like Guy’s ambitious, 33-minute movie from 1906, “The Birth, the Life and the Death of Christ”). Initially these films relied on a spoken narration to tie things together. By 1907, though, the cinema had discovered its own ways of telling a story, and filmmakers like Edwin S. Porter in America and Louis Feuillade in France were fluently developing narratives across multiple shots and multiple sequences.

Though the prolific Feuillade turned out his share of trick films, chase comedies and historical tableaus (like the visually stunning, dramatically inert 1913 movie “The Agony of Byzance”), his richest, most supple work from this period is found in social dramas like “The Trust” (1911) and “The Obsession” (1912), both part of a series proudly titled “Life as It Is.” Models of mimetic realism by the standards of the time, these films stand as the materialist background against which Feuillade constructed the haunting, fantastic imagery of his later serials, including “Fantômas” (1913-14) and “Les Vampires” (1915).

The Kino set’s most regretful omission is the selection of short films directed by and starring Léonce Perret, an amiably rotund performer who frequently appeared in domestic comedies with his wife, the actress Valentine Petit. Even in his one-reel comedies, Perret, who became Gaumont’s production chief in 1915 when Feuillade went to war, seemed to be pressing for more psychologically rounded characterizations and (though he himself could overact shamelessly) a more relaxed, naturalistic kind of performance than could be found in many French films of the time.

The Kino set includes the psychological drama “The Mystery of the Rocks of Kador,” notable for its use of a film-within-the-film, in which a re-creation of a crime is used to dislodge a witness’s repressed memories. But the centerpiece is “The Child of Paris,” a magnificent movie that finds Perret striding effortlessly into the new feature-length format. With a running time of more than two hours the film smoothly integrates action, suspense, comedy and melodrama into a Dickensian tale of a daughter of the bourgeoisie (the somber, imperturbable Suzanne Privat) who falls into the hands of scoundrels.

As extreme as the plotting may be, “The Child of Paris” achieves an openness and airiness (most strikingly, when the action moves to Nice from Paris) that anticipates the expansive humanism of Renoir and Truffaut. Perret did not invent the feature form (which began to appear in 1912), but it could be said that the feature form invented him, giving his talent the time and space it needed to prosper. (Kino International, $79.95, not rated)
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Tribe wrote:Kino is coming out in a few days with The Toe Tactic and Take Out, they appear interesting to me but I know nothing about them. Anyone familiar with these movies?
The Toe Tactic is a live film combined with animation. It's by Emily Hubley and a score by Yo La Tengo.
http://www.thetoetactic.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sy38HznJqRg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.timeout.com/film/newyork/rev ... actic.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Thanks, Dennis...I ordered The Toe Tactic....so we'll see how it works. Although I am getting a tad sick of Yo La Tengo. :?
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#1037 Post by Adam »

The filmmaker, Emily Hubley, is sister of Georgia Hubley, who is in Yo La Tengo, so one tends to get Yo La Tengo scores to Emily Hubley films.
And a couple of animated films by their parents, John & Faith, have soundtracks from recordings made by the parents of Georgia & Emily when they were young girls.

I liked The Toe Tactic, by the way.
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#1038 Post by Tribe »

Kino seems to be making a concerted effort in regard to American Independent productions. I noticed in this month's Film Comment an ad for Loren Cass (directed by Chris Fuller) and Ballast (directed by Lance Hammer). As usual, I'm not familiar with either one...but tracked down the trailers for each and they both looked like something I might be interested in.

Anyone else familiar with these?
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#1040 Post by swo17 »

Dammit Kino, you need to day and date that shit. All that work it took to get a decent copy of the 2-disc rerelease earlier this year from DeepDiscount (sending back rattling broken copies three times before finally getting a good one) seems pretty futile now.
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#1041 Post by onedimension »

Is this Kino's first blu? Now they just need to restore & special ed. some additional Keaton stuff
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#1042 Post by the mad circle »

onedimension wrote:Is this Kino's first blu?
I think Harvard Beats Yale 29-29 was their first.
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#1043 Post by Stop Making Sense »

Can anyone speak to the quality of the recent re-release of Wong Kar-Wai's Fallen Angels? Does it suffer from the usual ghosting/interlacing issues that plague Kino releases?
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#1044 Post by Matt »

I sent Kino a politely-worded e-mail asking them if they had any plans to release Claire Denis' No Fear, No Die on DVD, as they had released the film on VHS several years ago. Here is the entirety of their reply:
Kino wrote:no
Not even "Dear Matt: no." Not even a period!
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#1045 Post by HerrSchreck »

Tight times, man. People are cutting back on everything.

Just be glad that "no" didn't suffer from PAL/NTSC issues.
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#1046 Post by skuhn8 »

Matt wrote:I sent Kino a politely-worded e-mail asking them if they had any plans to release Claire Denis' No Fear, No Die on DVD, as they had released the film on VHS several years ago. Here is the entirety of their reply:
Kino wrote:no
Not even "Dear Matt: no." Not even a period!
That's great news! no period? means that's NOT the final word on the matter; there's still hope. Of course, "no..." would've been better.
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#1047 Post by Zazou dans le Metro »

HerrSchreck wrote:Tight times, man. People are cutting back on everything.

Just be glad that "no" didn't suffer from PAL/NTSC issues.
Maybe Matt deinterlaced the e-mail.
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#1048 Post by htdm »

HerrSchreck wrote:Tight times, man. People are cutting back on everything.

Just be glad that "no" didn't suffer from PAL/NTSC issues.
:lol:
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#1049 Post by Tommaso »

skuhn8 wrote: Of course, "no..." would've been better.
That's what you get from replacing the original intertitles.
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#1050 Post by Tribe »

Matt wrote: Not even "Dear Matt: no." Not even a period!
That is too damn funny! Hell, you don't even bad mouth Kino on this Forum....
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