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#276 Post by zedz »

GringoTex wrote:Japon - I rushed for this one as soon as Battle in Heaven went to the top of my provisional list. There are many typical over-eager first-time director moves, but overall Reygadas nails it. I've traipsed off by myself to some rural pueblito to get drunk and be self important on more than one occasion, and he definitely nails it. There are of course the Tarkovsky influenced camera moves (completely abandoned in Battle in Heaven), but Reygadas films a reality outside of himself while Tarkovsky films self-interiors. The 15 minute disintegration into documentary near the end of the film is extraordinary and took steel balls from a first-time director. The dude literally interrupts his own narrative climax to a show a bunch of drunk mexican extras bitching about their maltreatment in the making of the film. I've never seen anything like it. I just hope Reygadas doesn't abandon Mexico like most of his other New Mexican Cinema comprades have.
Japon seems to be the one to attract all the hate, but I think it's my favourite of Reygadas' films to date. I can't understand why some people find it completely unacceptable that a young filmmaker is influenced by Tarkovsky, Bunuel and Dreyer (but Tarantino, Altman and Scorsese are just fine and dandy). And I think that even in Japon, Reygadas was venturing further afield from his influences than he was given credit for. Great final shot, too, which is something rare enough to celebrate.

Battle in Heaven is more distinctive, but I didn't think it held together as well.

On Yi Yi: it's cumulative, certainly, but it's also in the details (of character, script and mise en scene). You've probably already lost quite a bit of information you didn't realise was important overnight! (Don't worry, it'll still be there when you get around to watching it again) And the 'sprawl' is a red herring.
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#277 Post by puxzkkx »

I finished Yi Yi and I'm sad to say that I remain unimpressed. There's a handful of nice moments (most of them involving Ota) but the entire thing felt really engineered, overwrought and cinematic when an organic feel should have been imperative in a film such as this. Bits and pieces such as the entire dickhead teacher arc and the 'opposing forces' thing during the clouds documentary scene smacked of preachiness, manipulation and lazy filmmaking more than anything else, outside of the main family unit (NJ, Yang-Yang, Ting-Ting & Min-Min) the acting was pretty terrible and clearly uncontrolled, and most of the Yang-Yang storyline seemed like it was spliced out of a lesser episode of 'Kids Say the Profoundest Things!'. And the philosophical moments seemed like Yang was just throwing half-realized thoughts at the page in the hope that some of them would stick. For a better-done, better-acted, better-written and better-looking rumination on accepting one's situation and place in life, I recommend Bohdan Slama's Something Like Happiness, which explores similar themes without all the faux-philosophical hoopla.
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#278 Post by zedz »

Linda Linda Linda - One of Skizziks' swapsies (sorry, I haven't mastered your user name, so I'm going there via Gasoline Valley). It's a delight. Maybe the best feelgood movie of the decade, with very nicely observed performances and simple, relaxed storytelling. I may be getting paranoid with the spoiler tags, but this film might also have the best
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dream sequence of the decade. Yamashita really nails the combination of the bizarre and the banal that characterises my dreams, at least.
I really like Yamashita's spacious mise en scene. He avoids close ups in favour of compositions that balance the characters with their environment (he doesn't go to the long-shot extreme that would put the characters at odds with their environment, à la Antonioni, however, except in a couple of appropriate instances, as when Son appears alone on the empty stage.)

Highly recommended, though it joins the queue behind Yamashita's subsequent A Gentle Breeze in the Village and I don't know yet if either of them will end up making it to my top fifty.
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#279 Post by Michael Kerpan »

Linda Linda Linda One of the best feel-good films since Arigato-san!

An interesting thing about the dream sequence -- just _when_ does it start? Is the conversation between Son and Kei (in front of the bathroom mirror) part of the dream or not? If not part of the dream,
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how is it that Kei can understand the Korean remarks made by Son?
As much as I love Gentle Breeze, I think Ogigami's Megane is the next best film of this sort (even better than her previous Seagull Diner).
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#280 Post by GringoTex »

Take Care of My Cat - A sweet if somewhat conventional coming of age drama. Young women usually don't get treated with this much empathy in cinema. And those were some real cute Korean chicks.
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GringoTex wrote:Take Care of My Cat - A sweet if somewhat conventional coming of age drama. Young women usually don't get treated with this much empathy in cinema. And those were some real cute Korean chicks.
Well, perhaps the fact that this was directed by a young woman had something to do with the degree of empathy. Alas, while TCoMC eventually got some success in Korea (after an unpromising first run), her next feature (with scruffy young guys instead of cute girls) garnered little interest. At least for now, Jeong's directing career would appear to be on hiatus (apparently she is mainy teaching).

I don't see the film as all that "conventional" -- not in the respects that most matter. ;~}

Not only is the acting great generally (not just BAE Doo-na) -- it has some of the best quasi-ethnographic urban cinematography I've seen (in recent times).
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#282 Post by puxzkkx »

I thought Take Care of My Cat was absolutely beautifully done... the amount of character detail and depth of emotion in that film illuminated the admittedly straightforward treatment. But its one of those films that somehow succeeds for me on many levels despite being outwardly conventional - like Grosbard's Georgia or Bollain's Take My Eyes. Bae Du-na is also fantastic, as she always is.

Michael - I don't think the conversation between Son and Kei in the bathroom is part of the dream sequence. I've seen the film about five times now and I imagine that following the bathroom conversation Kei went back to the band room and fell asleep.

Also, I thought the only parts of the film where Son spoke Korean was to the young girl and in the scene in the auditorium (fantastic acting here by Bae!) and the one directly before it.

Linda Linda Linda is really special for me because I find it to be both utterly joyous and painfully sad at the same time... the shots of the empty school at the very end I find really moving and bittersweet - they show that this is the girls' "last shout" as children - they're moving up and moving out into the world of adults, and they probably won't share this kind of connection again. Juxtaposing these images with their performance was genius - Yamashita shows a real talent for imbuing the simplest of images and lines with the most profound emotion.

zedz & Michael - I'll try to catch up on your swapsies. If I can't find either of your films at the arthouse DVD store I'll try to order them or
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I just saw Tony Ayres' The Home Song Stories, which is earnest and decently-made but, in this case, the straightforward treatment is rather reductive of the complicated moods and themes at work. The performances are all pretty good - the young actors show promise and Joan Chen is charismatic and as watchable as always, but I'm not sure that she does too much to really dig under the surface of the complex character she's playing. If the film is, as Ayres' alter-ego says, an attempt to 'understand' his mother, I'm not sure that Chen's performance is going to help a great deal. An okay film that fails to surpass the limits it imposes upon itself.

Also, just finished Julie Delpy's 2 Days in Paris, which was simply delightful. The Allen influences are clear but not once does the film feel needlessly contrived. This shows great promise for Delpy as a presence behind the camera, unlike Allen the writing, while witty and often hilarious, never seems cynical. Perhaps the only slip-up is the insertion of a rather awkward VO which seems sometimes out of place. Also props to Delpy for keeping an element of 'culture shock' comedy without overdoing it as many other filmmakers (certainly any other American filmmaker) might. Just a breeze to watch, and it'll probably end up on my list.
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#283 Post by Michael Kerpan »

One problem with the US DVD of Linda Linda Linda is that it does not differentiate between Korean and Japanese dialog -- and yet it is quite important to know which language is being spoken. There are several other bits of Korean besides those you noticed. The most important instance is the bathroom scene -- where Son speaks only in Korean, yet Kei answers her in Japanese (as if she too understood Korean, even if not willing to _speak_ it). This anomaly makes me wonder if Kei did not have a Korean parent -- she is the only girl (other than Son) whose home life we do not glimpse.

Bae is very good even in that clunker of a misguided action film, Tube. ;~}

On another topic -- I have now seen Wong's In the Mood for Love and 2046 -- and very much doubt either will make my top 50 list. (I'm glad I saw these, thanks to my library -- but also glad I did not _buy_ these). I see Wong's virtues -- but his films simply are not MY films. My loss, I'm sure.
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#284 Post by puxzkkx »

Michael Kerpan wrote:One problem with the US DVD of Linda Linda Linda is that it does not differentiate between Korean and Japanese dialog -- and yet it is quite important to know which language is being spoken. There are several other bits of Korean besides those you noticed. The most important instance is the bathroom scene -- where Son speaks only in Korean, yet Kei answers her in Japanese (as if she too understood Korean, even if not willing to _speak_ it). This anomaly makes me wonder if Kei did not have a Korean parent -- she is the only girl (other than Son) whose home life we do not glimpse.

Bae is very good even in that clunker of a misguided action film, Tube. ;~}

On another topic -- I have now seen Wong's In the Mood for Love and 2046 -- and very much doubt either will make my top 50 list. (I'm glad I saw these, thanks to my library -- but also glad I did not _buy_ these). I see Wong's virtues -- but his films simply are not MY films. My loss, I'm sure.
Bae is very good in almost everything! I was annoyed that Air Doll didn't play in the Competition so that she could win Best Actress...

If she speaks in Korean in the bathroom scene, perhaps it is part of the dream sequence.
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#285 Post by GringoTex »

La Cienaga - I have never seen a more authentic representation of bourgeoisie vacation in Latin America, of the child/nanny relationship, or of a gaggle of kids. Lucrecia Martel is the Cassavetes/Truffaut of her time and place. She builds her entire narrative on the near-abstraction of faces and bodies (like Cassavetes) all tied up in the tender spaces of Truffaut.

Michael, you're on a roll. Every one of your recs (Mysterious Skin, Reygadas, Cienaga) have been top-notch, except your swapsie. :)
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#286 Post by SoyCuba »

I don't think I'm going to pick a swapsie this time but here are some recommendations:

Silent Light
My number one at the moment. Yeah, the story and especially ending are heavily inspired by an older film (I'm not going to tell which one in case you don't already know) but there's enough own style here to justifice it. I love the visuals and the almost Tarr-like slow pace and also the performances from the non-professional cast.

Exiled
My favourite To so far. Incredibly stylish.

Werckmeister Harmonies
Propably not even needed to mention as everyone already must know about its reputation as one of the most important films of 2000s.

Innocence
The visual style and the mood in this film are absolutely amazing and the heavily symbolic story should raise thoughts as well.

Spring, Summer, Fall, Winter...and Spring
Might be the best film Ki-duk Kim has done or at least it's easily the best of those I've seen myself. The Visuals are, again, amazing and the use of different seasons obviously as well. One of the best religion themed films there are.

Irreversible
This one will obviously split audiences, so be warned. I doubt anyone is going to completely disregard the inventiveness of the camerawork and the technical excellence of it at least.

Japon
GringoTex already summarized this perfectly. Love it.

The Call of Cthulhu
Amateurish especially for the acting perhaps, but it's still a great homage to german expressionism and Lovecraft and a great silent film on its own.

Calvaire
The Third film on my list with Benoit Debie as the cinematographer after Innocence and Irreversible and also visually masterful. I've only seen these three films with Debie's cinematography, but I doubt it's a coincidence that they are all so amazing to look at. Anyway, the film is arthouse horror that recycles many themes from older horror classics, but is still original enough.
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#287 Post by domino harvey »

SoyCuba wrote:Innocence
The visual style and the mood in this film are absolutely amazing and the heavily symbolic story should at least somehow raise thoughts as well.
It's an interesting film and I'd recommend any first time viewers go in knowing as little as possible. I can't think offhand of too many other films that, while maintaining a degree of narrative clarity and thrust, still had me so thoroughly beguiled and involved out of base fascination and suspense as to just what the hell was happening.*
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More specifically, I remember being in constant fear that it would and could slip into some sort of De Sadian-tinged Grand Guignol nightmare at any moment. I must admit, I was thoroughly relieved when it finally became apparent that art film symbolism was the ends as well as the means. In retrospect, the film is hurt by only working on just the one level, but what a ride to come to that conclusion!

*Well, maybe Mulholland Dr.-- but at no time during the first viewing of Lynch's film was I nervous as to where everything was going!
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#288 Post by puxzkkx »

I really loved Innocence - it is the definition of 'bewitching' - and I think there are more ways to read the film than you think, domino - for example, the fact that there are
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both women and men in the audience during the dance
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the scene with the man giving the girl the injection
, as well as the entire thing involving the
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runaway, the girl in the boat and the teacher characters
hint at something more sinister than a simple budding sexuality/loss of innocence reading. But I agree that that particular interpretation is foremost, and it is definitely what informed the ending.

Irreversible will probably end up on my list, too. It plays with audience emotion and expectations in interesting ways and I doubt there's another film this decade like it - but the intelligence of the narrative and the technical execution doesn't make it any less hard to watch.
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puxzkkx wrote:I'm just surprised that people don't hold Happy Together in as high esteem. The plot is similar but it is vastly superior, and it says more about love and loss than the tepid ITMFL. And the acting's better, too...
I think ITMFL's aims are different, though. Yes, love and loss is part of the film, but what distinguishes it from HT is that it has more to do with time, nostalgia, and social constraints. I get the feeling of nostalgia, remembrance, time, and memory just from the content of the intertitles. HT doesn't strike me as a much as focusing on time and nostalgia. What ITMFL expresses well, in my opinion, is the idea of constraint - expressed by the cheongsams that Mrs. Chan wears; the close, cramped living situations; keeping up appearances (social propriety); and gossip and two cents from their neighbors. Then what raises the level of the film is the little cultural - major and minor - details as gone over in one of the extras on the Criterion DVD.

I wish the English title of the film was Flower Like Years or, I remember correctly, in Wong's words in the Criterion DVD interview, The Age of Flowers.
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#290 Post by puxzkkx »

I certainly felt... erm, constrained while watching that movie. :shock:

Lantana - Quite well written and very, very well-acted (it has some of the best ensemble work I've seen in an Australian film), but the direction is so coldly efficient that by the end, with all its "SECRETS EXPOSED!" and glib resolutions (Leah Purcell's character meeting that guy?! The guy being the broken-nose guy?! wtf?!), it's really hard to care. Glossy, well-acted, nice script, but toneless and limp. Blah...
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#291 Post by brendanjc »

I don't want to open the spoiler tags since domino explicitly warns not to, I assume from the context you're talking about Lucile Hadzihalilovic's Innocence and not the other hits from IMDB - Paul Cox's Innocence or the Ghost in the Shell film? There's a reason the standard format in the forum for thread titles includes the director's name and the year :)
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#292 Post by SoyCuba »

brendanjc wrote:I don't want to open the spoiler tags since domino explicitly warns not to, I assume from the context you're talking about Lucile Hadzihalilovic's Innocence and not the other hits from IMDB - Paul Cox's Innocence or the Ghost in the Shell film? There's a reason the standard format in the forum for thread titles includes the director's name and the year :)
Yeah, that was a lazy move on my part not to include the directors. But yes, the Hadzihalilovic film is the one I recommended and we're talking about.
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#293 Post by GringoTex »

Old Boy - Unbelievably inept. I have no idea how it won all that acclaim.
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Some other films from this decade - underseen ones - that'll probably end up on my list:

Morvern Callar would have been tricky to pull off... trying to gain audience empathy for a character who steals her suicide-case boyfriend's unpublished novel and passes it off as her own is a feat in itself (both for the director and the actress) but Ramsay slips so easily into the mind of someone whose entire world has just been turned upside-down. Every scene and every line reflects this... it is really quite an astonishing film.

Marie Antoinette is an incredibly overlooked/underrated picture, and one that I feel history will validate. Full of symbolic and metaphorical subtext, beautifully directed/shot/acted and pretty much the opposite of 'shallow', it manages to riff on pop culture, history and its actors' own star personas without ever once being coy, self-conscious or in-your-face.

Late Marriage is a very well-done 'forbidden love' story set in a Georgian neighbourhood in Tel Aviv. It has a candor about sex that really blindsided me (especially coming from a Middle Eastern film) and the film itself is so rich in complex and ambiguous emotion and it is so unflinchingly honest that the end result is actually quite frightening and disturbing... but in a good way.

The Day I Became a Woman is the first feature by Mohsen Makhmalbaf's wife Marzieh. The film is a triptych of sorts, detailing three different stages of womanhood - childhood, adulthood and old age (although as far as I can tell the lead characters of each segment are not the same woman). Together, the segments work beautifully, but they can stand on their own as well. The first seems to be the one that the director has the least enthusiasm for, although it is still a nice piece. The third is wryly funny and quite moving. But the second is an absolute masterpiece and would win my award for best short film of the decade had it been released separately. It is utterly simple in story, idea and execution but also utterly, utterly breathtaking.

La Captive is an adaptation of the Proust novel by Chantal Akerman. I've never read any Proust, so I can't appreciate the film on that level, but from a pure 'filmmaking' standpoint it is completely entrancing. It's definitely on the slow side, and I'd say that Sylvie Testud (fantastic actress though she is) is miscast, but the film is full of unexpectedly enchanting moments that will just leave you dumbstruck with their beauty and mystery (a long drive down a boulevard lined with prostitutes plying their wares is particularly memorable).

Respiro is an Italian film that is, on the surface, about a wife and mother living on a Mediterranean island who feels trapped (with good reason), but on a more symbolic level it really is a statement about the way all women are treated in Italy today - the entire "Madonna or Whore" idea is key here. Great acting all around - especially by the kids - and a beautifully ambiguous ending (which I found actually quite ominous). It is very well-done and is even more impressive for being a directorial debut.

Series 7: The Contenders is very smart, very manipulative and very entertaining. It reaches a level of meta that is almost unbearable, but it manages to keep its balance when directing it was obviously a tightrope walk... Great acting, too - standouts for me were Brooke Smith and the very interesting Angelina Phillips, but all the cast were fantastic.

Suzhou River, after reflecting on it, strikes me as a little bit empty, but it is definitely well-done and a sign of tremendous promise for its director. Stylish and 'cool' without ever feeling like its playing into its audience's pretentions, its a breeze to watch, well-acted, -shot and -cut, and an interesting update of the "Vertigo" plot.

Take My Eyes is perhaps the best 'mainstream' romantic drama I've seen this decade. Iciar Bollain shows an impressive restraint with her direction, wisely keeping it simple so that her collection of amazing actors (Luis Tosar, Laia Marull, Candela Pena etc) and her own near-perfect script can shine. I've never seen domestic abuse tackled with such honesty as it has been here, and what is refreshing is that such a film from a female director does not demonize the husband character or turn the picture into a typical, Lifetime-esque "battered woman finds new lease on life after leaving hubby" yarn. The character of the husband is actually the most complex, empathetic and interesting in the film (although all the characters, even the minor ones, are incredibly well-written and well-acted) and never once do I feel that Bollain is judging him. Incredibly honest and perceptive about relationships and gender dynamics as well, it justifiably swept the Goyas and is my pick for the best Spanish film of the decade.

It's Easier for a Camel... is a crazy melange of different tones, moods and themes that, according to the laws of logic (and physics) shouldn't work at all, yet somehow does. Valeria Bruni Tedeschi shines both as directrice and actress here, and the film is very funny, very moving, very heartfelt and defiantly un-sappy as an ode to family. Shows great promise for her and is really great (although strangely indefinable).

The Libertine is one of the most 'down-to-earth' (yet most enjoyable and entertaining) period films I've seen lately, in that it almost perfectly captures the atmosphere of those times in such a sensitive way that it seems like you're there smelling/seeing/tasting/hearing the surroundings. Great ensemble acting, too (Depp, Morton, Malkovich, and [wow!] Rosamund Pike). This kind of film has definite limits but this is fantastic within those limits.

A Gentle Breeze in the Village is Yamashita's follow-up to Linda Linda Linda, and is a bit more stylized and 'conventional' than that film, but no less moving and memorable. Full of warm, human, nostalgic moments that you'll remember even if the film strikes you as fluff while watching it. I don't think it carries as much depth as Linda Linda Linda - it all seems a bit glossier - but the film has a ton of heart, the ending (the
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) is lovely, the lead performance by Kaho is spot-on and as far as contemporary coming-of-age stories go this is pretty great.

Maelstrom is an incredibly stylized film with impressive texture and a very, very good lead performance by Marie-Josee Croze, who throws herself into the role with frightening abandon. The 'quirks' might turn off some viewers, but I thought it was a really interesting piece of morbid pop-art.

Mademoiselle is a really touching, simple and beautiful romantic dramedy that has a lot going on under the surface of its calm exterior (just look at that final scene - it says so much while saying so little). Bonnaire is luminous... just a lovely film.

Murderous Maids succeeds really on the strength of its writing and astonishing performances. The director Jean-Pierre Denis has a rather clinical eye for composition and execution, but it really works here because it makes way for the two amazing actresses at the film's core - Sylvie Testud (omgwtf good) and Julie-Marie Parmentier (perceptive and haunting) - to do their stuff. A really accomplished chamber piece that doesn't "insist upon itself" and relays its horrific true story in a way that doesn't ever threaten to manipulate.

Spun is hilarious and incredibly entertaining, and I think is a superior "drug addiction" film to Requiem for a Dream, because it manages to be a "don't take drugs film" while retaining a sense of levity and never once venturing into "emo" territory"... that wasn't very artfully put, but it is totally true. The rapid-fire editing is a bit distracting in the first 10 minutes but when it settles into it it really, really works.

Rana's Wedding is an interesting, unique movie that utilizes tension and suspense in some really original ways. It's by the director of Paradise Now and is similarly intense, but in a vastly different way.

Australia is a camp masterpiece. Of course it can't transcend the boundaries that this genre has fixed upon itself, but its perfectly tongue-in-cheek, completely over-the-top, incredibly funny, incredibly entertaining and incredibly well-done (old-Hollywood style racism aside). This is coming from someone who hates all of Luhrmann's other films (with a passion!).

And Dorris Dorrie's Cherry Blossoms won't end up on my list (I think it is a bit too confused about what it wants to be, and it needs cutting in certain places) but it is a really heartfelt film with some, frankly, amazing scenes of really astounding grace and beauty (the lead characters final moments, for one - don't worry, this isn't really a spoiler). I don't think it is a great film, but it has some amazing moments and I urge y'all to rent it.

I've already talked about my swapsies, The Brown Bunny, Cache, 2 Days in Paris, Something Like Happiness, Irreversible, Innocence, Goodbye, Dragon Inn and The Girl Who Leapt Through Time, and a lot of the rest of my list is made up of films that a lot of you will already have seen, so I guess I'll finish up this post!
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#295 Post by knives »

GringoTex wrote:Old Boy - Unbelievably inept. I have no idea how it won all that acclaim.
I'm curious about this position. While I don't believe it's great, and it's easily the most throw away thing Park has done I wouldn't call it inept, so I wonder why you do.
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#296 Post by GringoTex »

knives wrote:
GringoTex wrote:Old Boy - Unbelievably inept. I have no idea how it won all that acclaim.
I'm curious about this position. While I don't believe it's great, and it's easily the most throw away thing Park has done I wouldn't call it inept, so I wonder why you do.
Park can't maintain even the slightest dramatic thread. All the actors give schizo performances. It looks like he shoots a lot of coverage on the set and tries to paper it together in the editing room.
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GringoTex wrote:Park can't maintain even the slightest dramatic thread. All the actors give schizo performances. It looks like he shoots a lot of coverage on the set and tries to paper it together in the editing room.
And how is this different from WKW?

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#298 Post by Murdoch »

Michael Kerpan wrote:
GringoTex wrote:Park can't maintain even the slightest dramatic thread. All the actors give schizo performances. It looks like he shoots a lot of coverage on the set and tries to paper it together in the editing room.
And how is this different from WKW?

{ducking}
I wouldn't call the performances in Wong's films "schizo." And I don't think Wong maintaining a dramatic thread is all that important to his films - save ITMFL and As Tears Go By - while Oldboy relies entirely on the weight of its subject so its failure to create a dramatic arc is damaging to the overall film. I've seen a few Park films now and find the same problems in all of them that Gringo spoke of.

Didn't mean to put words in your mouth, Gringo, but I had the same reaction to the film as you.
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#299 Post by Michael Kerpan »

I saw PCW's Sympathy for Mr. Vengeance -- which convinced me to avoid the rest of his "trilogy". I did like his "I'm a Cyborg, but That's Okay". Not a top 50 contender, but an amusimng diversion.

Having watched both ItMfL and 2046 recently, I really got the sense of those films being "created in the editing stage". I think I prefer film makers who largely edit in the camera. ;~}
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Re: 2000s List Discussion and Suggestions

#300 Post by Murdoch »

To each his own, although I am with you on ITMFL and 2046 - the latter I initially loved but have found rather tiresome as years passed, but there are still certain images from it that I love. Wong's films this decade don't impress me at all, which is a shame since I loved every film he made in the 90s which didn't feel, for lack of a better word, forced.

I love the title of I'm a Cyborg, But That's OK, but, well, I'll leave it at that.

Anyways,

Finally watched The Gleaners and I, which I'd been holding off for a while to be in the right mood. I'm no Varda fan, but this was a pleasant surprise. A beautiful portrait of French "gleaners" - a term I was unaware of until I saw this - and its methods in showcasing its subjects and of Varda herself were unique, Varda is really lovely in the film. I don't know if this will make my list, but it did convince me to see more Varda and reminded me of the very dire need I am in of seeing more documentaries.
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