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#326 Post by Vic Pardo »

zedz wrote:Your ballots for the 1990s list are due at the end of June 2009. PM them to me.

THE RULES

1) Each individual list is to comprise no more or less than 50 films, ranked in your order of preference. If you haven't seen 50 films from the 1990s that you think are genuinely great, don't bother voting. (If you are currently in this unfortunate position and want to rectify that before the end of June, then this is the thread for you!)
2) Any feature film, documentary, experimental film, short film, music video, TV miniseries, TV movie or TV special released in the 1990s is eligible.
3) Television series or seasons / episodes of television series are not eligible.
4) The date given on imdb is the relevant date for determining eligibility, even when it's clearly wrong.
5) Two-part films released separately (e.g. Eisenstein's Ivans) count as one film. Trilogies (e.g. Ray's Apus) count as separate films.
How are you counting the "'90's"? From 1991-2000 or from 1990-1999? It makes a difference. I can't include both GOODFELLAS (1990) and BATTLE ROYALE (2000). Technically, it should be 1991-2000, but I'm willing to go along with what you decide.

Thanks.
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#327 Post by swo17 »

Vic Pardo wrote:Technically, it should be 1991-2000
Well that's just silly. The 1990s are anything with a 199 in them.
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#328 Post by Matt »

swo17 wrote:
Vic Pardo wrote:Technically, it should be 1991-2000
Well that's just silly. The 1990s are anything with a 199 in them.
But why be rational when you can needlessly complicate things? I demand that you consider the advice of this person who just joined the forum this morning and go back and re-do all of the lists in this project that has been underway since 2004.
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#329 Post by swo17 »

Well, I do enjoy needlessly complicating things...
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#330 Post by domino harvey »

What is the over/under on whether the guy who proposed changing the rules has even seen fifty movies from the nineties
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#331 Post by swo17 »

I know this guy's new, but I might be willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. His list here is fairly obvious but at least it's not terrible.
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#332 Post by Murdoch »

Now, now. Let's not become the Flick You Crew.
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#333 Post by domino harvey »

Yeah, it was probably an unfair comment on my part. However, for a guy obsessed with technicalities, bravo on his Top Ten containing thirty films
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#334 Post by Vic Pardo »

Okay, I get it. :roll:
GOODFELLAS is in, but BATTLE ROYALE is out. Back to work on the list...
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#335 Post by zedz »

Thanks deputies, for snarking this out in my absence; hello, Vic.
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#336 Post by domino harvey »

GringoTex wrote:Texasville is the most authentic portrait of rural Texas life I've seen (I was raised on a ranch about 100 miles from Archer City) and I prefer it to The Last Picture Show because it trades in the latter's cold nostalgia dream for a hot, bitter, trapped-in-time reality.
If the Last Picture Show was about the inanity of small rural towns, Texasville is about the insanity of small rural towns. This was actually the last non-TV Bogdanovich film I hadn't seen, and I'm pleased to finally be able to say something nice about his post-They All Laughed work. The film has its share of problems (Some needlessly expository dialog and pretty much anything involving the second-tier of returning characters for starters), but on the whole this is handily the best of his late-period work. I think Bogdanovich's approach to the material was quite smart, as the best way to not invite unflattering comparisons to the first film is to in no way resemble it in tone. The negative and persistently comical slant the film has against its subject makes some of the great observations made all the more fleeting, as its hard to gauge who the audience for this was. Its unsentimentality is certainly at odds with the dour yet undeniably elegiac tone of its predecessor. Jeff Bridges and especially Annie Potts are the MVPs here-- The film really finds its one truly flawless aspect in Potts, as she is precisely on the mark and her character is immediately recognizable to anyone from the area.
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ptatler wrote:Anybody have IRMA VEP in their top ten?
I don't think Irma Vep will make it into my top ten, but it'll make my list.
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#338 Post by kaujot »

One of my best filmgoing experiences was to see The Last Picture Show projected behind a hotel in Archer City a few years back (my parents live in Wichita Falls, so it was maybe a 30 minute drive there).

I've been meaning to see Texasville since then. To the Netflix queue it goes!
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#339 Post by GringoTex »

domino harvey wrote: If the Last Picture Show was about the inanity of small rural towns, Texasville is about the insanity of small rural towns.
Very well put. I Got Miami Blues and Dick in the queue.
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#340 Post by John Cope »

Some others:

First Love, Last Rites (Peretz, 1997)

A movie I dearly loved ten, twelve years ago and probably haven't seen since. No one could have been more surprised than me that not only does it hold up to my memories of it but improves upon them. That's a pretty rare thing though it should be more common than it is. This was the feature directorial debut of Jesse Peretz who was and is probably known best for his Foo Fighters' music videos. That may not inspire much confidence but it is also part of the reason that the revelatory results here are so impressive. Adapted from Ian McEwan's luminous short story and transposed to contemporary rural Louisiana, First Love doesn't so much tell a story as evoke an atmosphere. But this is not an evasion when the atmosphere it evokes is so carefully rendered, so rich in detail and sensitive understanding. As an illustration of the vagaries of a first erotic relationship, Peretz and his actors get to some remarkable places of genuine insight born out of the reality of contradictory or inaccessible behavior. Other than some dream like images meant to suggest the gnawing doubt developing as to the sustainability of the relationship, Peretz favors a much appreciated quiet serenity from which vantage point he and we observe the small moments add up, not just in the lives of the central characters but also in the lives of those around them. The rat in the wall imagery and its position as a central metaphor never bothered me, partly because it's carried over from the book and partly because the ultimate meaning of the heavily applied symbol escapes its most obvious designation. Natasha Gregson Wagner and Giovanni Ribisi as the lovers are perhaps the best they have ever been here, so perfectly dialed in to the frequency of these tentative characters for whom so much is passing away before them every day. Ribisi in particular is like the Van Sant protagonist we never got. His natural faltering quality has never been put to better use. It's unusual to see these aspects of any relationship handled at all let alone in a way that rejects easy sentimentality for the more hard won variety: a recognition that the passing away is inevitable, that we are always aware of it on some level, and yet the willingness to assert that what passes away is never irrelevant or meaningless and its very transience may cultivate devotion. As goes the tag line for Heaven's Gate, "What one loves about life are the things that fade".

Kissed (Stopkewich, 1997)

Similarly attuned to vulnerability but far more radical there's Lynne Stopkewich's infamous "necrophiliac romance". Certainly her film merits the designation however as its tremendous achievement exists in establishing the legitimacy of its protagonist's world view. Obviously material like this will never completely escape a certain perverse association but what's really admirable here is how Stopkewich and her gifted, expressive lead Molly Parker "play it for real". The unique specifics of the Parker character's psychology/pathology is followed toward its inevitable culmination point. And we are expected to sympathize with it and with her, and that unqualified expectation, the lacking of any purely sensationalist drive, exposes us to either the limits of our own understanding or the fluidity of our empathy. Part of this has to do with the fact that Stopkewich wisely pitches her central subject matter as both literal and metaphoric. It is, I suspect, her grasp of the multi-dimensional resonance of this central metaphor which is the source of the film's remarkable, unforced emotional purity and authority. I am always profoundly moved by Parker's final moments in this film and that's because the sentiments she expresses are convincing and persuasive.

This World, Then the Fireworks (Oblowitz, 1997)

Certainly the most underrated and under appreciated of all the Jim Thompson adaptations it's also my favorite by far. Yet another Billy Zane film it's true but it's hard not to see his ultimate effectiveness in the role of Marty Lakewood, the charismatic nihilist at the center of the action. Though The Grifters and After Dark, My Sweet are both very good in their own way (After Dark seems the better picture) neither of them goes nearly as far to match the aggression and virulence of Thompson's prose. TWTTF absolutely does go all the way, into a frenzied pitch of sustained hysterical excess and it announces that from the beginning with what I still believe is one of the greatest openings of any movie ever--it's a virtually perfect depiction of sociopathology in its infancy. The rest of the film observes that same sociopathology in its more mature form. Zane and Gina Gershon are the amoral siblings and Sheryl Lee does her usual exquisite job charting the depths of naked desperation but still what I love of course is the fact that appropriately there's something far from "mature" about the whole enterprise. David Edelstein, who wrote perhaps the most insightful piece on this film, gets it right when he points out
Zane's toasty voice and suspiciously good looks already verge on parody. Here, everything he says sounds as if it's in quotation marks; you never know if the narrator is playing mad or is mad or (more likely) both. Often, it seems as if the act is taking over the man, as if what began as a put-on has taken on a schizoid life of its own.
And that's what it gets at so well--not the cynicism, which is easy, but more the pseudo-sophisticated appeal of it, its coolness factor in application and the implications of actually living that philosophy. For understanding that and risking much with its exhilarating moral free fall it deserves to be mentioned in the same post with Stopkewich's audacious accomplishment.

Love Is The Devil (Maybury, 1998)

I have no idea how accurate all the details of John Maybury's vision of Francis Bacon are but what I do know with absolute certainty is how powerful the result is. It's curious to me that of the many people I've shown this film to over the years very few come away from it with much in the way of positive comments. I suppose that to some degree it's due to the dour and dire subject matter, the relentless bleakness of Maybury's approach to depicting the disintegration of Bacon's relationship with George Dyer and the disintegration of Dyer himself. Still, I think it also has to do with the sheer excess of Maybury's aesthetic approach, too; the fact that he is subtle about nothing and that seems to grate those who want only subtlety. But he knows exactly what he's doing (as a student of the similarly pitched Jarman I would expect nothing less); each individual scene feels like its own separate set piece moment designed to contribute to the mosaic of the whole. And, what's more, each moment if allowed to function as it is meant to, has enormous emotional power. I wonder now if that very fact--the raw, severed vein exposed--also brings out resentment in many who don't appreciate what they must see as Bacon reduced to a tragic figure in some sentimental melodrama. But Maybury's vision is far from easy sentiment. He (and Derek Jacobi of course) make Bacon a continually prickly presence, never allowing him to be either simply a hateful prick or an emotionally inhibited tragic case (which is the irony in a man so uninhibited in every other way) but rather these things constantly intermingled. In the end, the portrait they paint suggests a man unable or unwilling to love and that incapability having a great deal to do with the very life philosophy from which his great and savage art emerged. The compositions are the star, however--with bold images like the fighter's blood cast across Bacon's face casting him into a kind of ecstasy, the warped close ups in the bar, Dyer tearing up a painting in a rage in a suddenly empty theatrical space, his own final moments as museum installation piece, his descent down the stairs or fall through the skylight, his profile held in a dissolve as though Maybury's prescient cinematic equivalent of a death mask, etc., etc., etc. Seriously though almost every moment here sings, even if it is in a tone commensurate with Sakamoto's abrasive score and Bacon's own fraught imagery.

The Bed You Sleep In (Jost, 1993)

Quite possibly Jon Jost's finest work. This is saying a lot in my opinion as I see much merit in most of his films. However, this one feels in many respects like the culmination of his aesthetic and thematic interests. Since this time he has gone on to work primarily in digital with mixed results; mixed because Jost is actually a more conventional filmmaker than he realizes and does his best when he integrates his experimental tendencies with his narrative or character based approach. But at any rate, Bed is a true masterpiece, an almost perfect film as Jost so carefully aligns the rigors of his formalism to complement and deepen the story he is telling. Also, by this point in his career he is capable of foregoing the embittered hostility that marked some of his early films, even great ones like Last Chants for a Slow Dance. This time the setting is a rural Oregon lumber town and at first it seems as though we will be getting a fairly familiar Jost piece meditating on the pernicious influence of the American business model and capitalism in general. And we do get that as per usual but we also get a very slowly accruing portrait of how and why that model has been able to sustain itself, specifically the superficially benign small town lives of those who accept its underlying moral tenets, who would seek to deny all sense of connective accountability. It's here that Jost proceeds into some very risky, extraordinarily well balanced territory, using his excellent and equally attuned lead Tom Blair to articulate (even more so here than in the almost as great Sure Fire) the profound sense of ambiguity and unknowability at the heart of a society which does not question enough and buys into too much. His images are more secure and precise than ever (the letter reading scene is shot and edited to absolute perfection--really, it's a master class unto itself) and his trademark longeurs are integrated with great skill and an almost preternatural intuition. Only at the end with a possibly ill considered Emerson quote does the film falter a bit, but by then we are more than willing to overlook it.

The Bloody Child (Menkes, 1995)

I'm still not sure whether this film or Queen of Diamonds is Nina Menkes' best work but I will, at this time anyway, emphasize this one. As with the Jost here Menkes distills and refines her artistic approach until it emerges in a radiant and perfected state. But this one feels like her most radical work to date as well, especially in the way in which she handles the notion of war and violence. Once again, as with the Jost the approach here incorporates the specifics of a personal event set against a larger socio-economic backdrop in order to give unique insight into the effects of that context. The central event here is drawn from the actual story of a Gulf War vet who murdered and then buried his wife upon returning home. There are shades here of Dumont's later 29 Palms, not just in terms of location associated with violence but, more consequentially, the anthropological dimensions of lived space and the ways in which it not only induces but interacts with emotional or psychic states, enacting or actualizing them. I infinitely prefer what Menkes is doing to what Dumont is doing, though I like his film as well, because her work is much less fortified with philosophic determinism from the outset. In fact, it really doesn't determine anything. It is purely about, in the best poetic sense, the evocation of a more fully integrated and comprehensive understanding. More than ever Menkes demands we submit to her rhythms and cadence. We never see the specific violent event depicted (the narrative scenes play out backwards and there is very little emphasis on narrative anyway as they almost all center on images of law enforcement vehicles arriving and departing) but we do experience glimpses of attitudes in isolation put into associations that may enlighten or environments which contain or endorse gradations of violence, whether they be physical, psychic or emotional. In the midst of this are the eruptions of unsolicited myth, from the horse that wanders onto the crime scene to the incorporation of Menkes' African/Macbeth footage from an aborted project years earlier. In this way, she alters the manner of our engagement causing us to perceive the meaning and significance of violence differently and ultimately to recognize its resolute permanance as something irresolvable; that the real mystery lies in considering the implications of that.

Close My Eyes (Poliakoff, 1991)

An early and excellent theatrical feature from Stephen Poliakoff. Here we have the opposite of much of what I've been describing throughout this post--the many familiar Poliakoff themes and archetypes in nascent form; which is all the more exciting because their potential seems so boundless at this point. Though it's best known for its sensationalist appeal as a drama of sibling incest, it's what informs that particular drama, the social and environmental context of it that fascinates Poliakoff and, by extension, us. And that's because the primary relationship in the picture serves as a veiled symbol for the potentials of alternate or "perverse" social orders, made remote and inaccessible by the prominence of dominant possibilities. Poliakoff isn't interested in advocating the goodness of his couple's relationship but rather using it to understand what has become remote and inaccessible. In that way, Close My Eyes with its vaguely eco-apocalypse future meshed with a barely comprehended aristocratic past feels like Ballard style sci-fi, an imbalanced dystopic reality replete with possibilities unable to be acted upon or understood. All that is most vital here and all that would clarify our understanding remains just out of reach. I'm reminded of something Kenneth Clark said about David Jones: "All the great poets I have known have given very simple explanations of their most obscure passages; all the bad poets have given very profound explanations of their banal ones". Though I certainly don't think of Poliakoff as being on the same tier as Jones, the same idea applies.



Liquid Dreams (Manos, 1991)

Bizarrely perhaps a kind of urtext for me. On its surface Mark Manos' film seems just a lo-fi, sci-fi straight to video B-pic. Going beyond that cursory glance reveals a surprising amount of richness and depth, a skillful and engaged work willing to pursue its thematic ambitions within the limited budget parameters established for it. It's never interested in separating itself from those origins--the presence of people like Paul Bartel, John Doe and Mink Stole ensures that and its debt to Cronenberg is never denied but built upon and put in dialogue with Manos' other obvious source of inspiration, Fritz Lang. However, these things are not what maintains my own fascination. That has to do with the very Mulholland Drive like scenario surrounding the film itself. Candice Daly plays a woman who tracks her missing sister down to a sinister entertainment corporation which houses its workers in a dorm like facility. Here she finds her sister suspiciously overdosed on some of the same drugs the corporation itself is known to traffic in. Her investigation commences during which she takes on a false identity to infiltrate the cultish group whose primary agenda is driven by the harnessing of sexual power and subjugation often through video surrogates. In real life, Daly was discovered dead of an overdose under mysterious circumstances in 2004. Though she had never had much career success her performance in this film is very empathetic and, in fact, stronger than it really needs to be. It's deeply disturbing on a number of levels to know that her death not only mirrored the one in the film but also that she ended up virtually enslaved and destitute in the house of the man who allegedly was keeping her drugged and captive. A horrifying story that can't help but influence my own reading of this film and the implications buried within it.

And, in brief as I haven't seen it for awhile,

Wide Sargasso Sea (Duigan, 1993)

John Duigan's finest film. A great, rich and insightful telling of Jean Rhys' speculative continuation of Jane Eyre. The last time I went through this I remember taking a tremendous amount away from it; there is so much here thematically that elaborates upon Rhys' themes (though the film does have its critics in that respect) and just in general carefully builds up the psychological profile of why and how a unique form of vicious hatred could develop (this portrait of Mr. Rochester has always been the far less favored one for what are probably obvious reasons). However, Duigan's film even wares well from a distance after specific memory has faded some. The pronounced and distinctive pull of his images and the profound understanding of how much can come undone in the face of a lack of inhibition, whether sensual or not. I remember the tone shifts now more than anything: faces, water and trees, like a Claire Denis film.


There are still others of course, like Bliss and Closet Land, but they are discussed elsewhere.
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#341 Post by colinr0380 »

Excellent post John Cope!
John Cope wrote:Close My Eyes (Poliakoff, 1991)

... Poliakoff isn't interested in advocating the goodness of his couple's relationship but rather using it to understand what has become remote and inaccessible. In that way, Close My Eyes with its vaguely eco-apocalypse future meshed with a barely comprehended aristocratic past feels like Ballard style sci-fi, an imbalanced dystopic reality replete with possibilities unable to be acted upon or understood. All that is most vital here and all that would clarify our understanding remains just out of reach.
It has been a while since I last saw Close My Eyes so I cannot really comment on that with any certainty, but this quote from your post reminded me a lot of Hidden City with Charles Dance (though this is an 80s film so outside of the list project for now).

I always remember when I was about 11 or 12, at school we were given a homework project to find examples of primary and secondary sources of historical information and describe them. I chose a number of different images and handed my book in to the teacher, proud that I had fulfilled the task fully, only to find that the teacher brought out my exercise book and started reading from it to the rest of the class! It turned out that I had made a terrible error - I had pasted a picture of a rather elderly, white bearded gentleman and two younger men walking together through a garden area. The picture was black and white and the two younger men were dressed up in full army uniform, while the older man in between was in a dark suit. Underneath the picture I had written something along the lines of "a father saying goodbye to his sons before they go off to war", and listed it as a primary source, since it was a first-hand photograph of a 'real' event. I was mortified when the teacher, laughing, said that I'd completely missed the fact that it was King George V! :oops:

I suppose if I had been more on the ball (and cheekier) I would have admonished her for not having taught me anything about English Kings and Queens and ways of telling them apart from ordinary people! (That had to wait until my college years and my most favourite phrase to use in historical analysis: "ostentatious display of wealth"!)

Anyway the above irrelevance is my way of discussing that I find many of Poliakoff's films interesting for the way that they deal with the past and memory. Often photographs completely removed from their original context reappear in the lives of the characters and it is left to them to rediscover or reinterpret these disconnected images in a way that proves meaningful for the present day. This is something that came to a head in Shooting The Past (a great non-Mike Leigh role for Timothy Spall and Lindsay Duncan's best part since the Traffik series) but it has always been there in some form and is an interesting idea that I have not seen tackled in such a way very often (the nearest would perhaps be Sans Soleil or Bill Morrison) - the idea that now we have a whole library of images beyond those that we have labelled and placed in their historical context. A whole world of 'useless' historical images and information whose original meaning has been lost or forgotten, or fresh images waiting to be 'used' for people to place their individual meanings on?

The other Poliakoff strand would seem to be the films of events or stories that will prove significant in the future - so you get the sense that Close My Eyes concerns events that will live on in the character's memories as a defining period, and be subject to reinterpretation on looking back - the same with the commune type atmosphere of The Tribe. Films like The Lost Prince, Century or the 80s (Friends and Crocodiles) and 90s (Gideon's Daughter) era films seem to be looking back on 'lost eras' from the perspective of someone who did not participate and therefore is talking a lot more about the time the film is made in than about the historical events themselves.

I think Perfect Strangers is the film that melds these two ideas together, with its family reunion following a death introducing a distant relative to both present day intrigues and discord but also a whole host of photographs and other memorabilia that he has to digest and have contextualised for him by various members of the family, all with their various perspectives on the meanings behind various moments shown in the photographs or films - for what seem to be such fixed, permanent images Perfect Strangers seems to show that their meaning is far more fluid and in the eye of the beholder. In fact Poliakoff's films seems to suggest this in a way is a more natural state for imagery to be in, ripe with interpretative possibilities, than being totally tied to one definitive meaning, and should be something to be celebrated rather than frightened of.
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I agree with almost all of your observations, Colin. It's a very real encouragement to see someone with Poliakoff's singular sensibility given such creative freedom and apparently popular support. I especially appreciated this point you made:
colinr0380 wrote:The other Poliakoff strand would seem to be the films of events or stories that will prove significant in the future - so you get the sense that Close My Eyes concerns events that will live on in the character's memories as a defining period, and be subject to reinterpretation on looking back - the same with the commune type atmosphere of The Tribe. Films like The Lost Prince, Century or the 80s (Friends and Crocodiles) and 90s (Gideon's Daughter) era films seem to be looking back on 'lost eras' from the perspective of someone who did not participate and therefore is talking a lot more about the time the film is made in than about the historical events themselves.
This pins down something very elusive about his work I think and suggests the source of much of its ineffable fascination. Certainly there is that haunted quality in Close My Eyes and it exists in relation or proportion to the volumes that remain unsaid or unexplored, perhaps even what cannot be articulated. Some of what I take to be Poliakoff backlash in the UK seems to be resistance to the milieu his characters often inhabit, that of a kind of gauzy but almost ethereally derived upper class dream life. A few commentators I've seen have indicated that they would prefer it if he would set his stories more in the "real world" that all the rest of us supposedly inhabit. But this misses a crucial point about why he uses that milieu to begin with. Partly it's because it is so distant, so obscure and remote; that foreign-ness makes it the perfect metaphoric vehicle for his themes and concerns. Beyond that though Poliakoff has great respect for that particular class setting and he really understands its nuances and its privileges. In other words, he wants us to actually reconsider what we think we know about this social tier and those who inhabit it--what are they capable of and who are they really?

The other thing I love about his work is the fact that he is genuinely interested in questioning existing social structure at its most elemental level; and this is not just some rancorous diatribe about "capitalism" but rather a highly sensitive and thorough exploration of possibilities. You're right, Colin, we see that again and again but developed and realized to different degrees. The Tribe was especially fascinating in that sense. One of his pet motifs is the featuring of characters who represent contemporary wealth and yet whose jobs suggest an artistic inclination, whether it be architects or surveyors or what have you. I really like that as it indicates just how tuned in he is to the way an artistic vocation is allowed to express itself in a modern material driven environment/economy.

His fantasist characters are also not condescended to and this is refreshing. The clearest evidence of this is probably in The Lost Prince with the treatment of Prince John. As is said about him at the end (and here I paraphrase), "he was the only one who was allowed to be himself". And this because he could be nothing but who he was so there is a painful irony in that. Still, it is in this that Poliakoff's protagonists share a trait with the heroes of Zalman King's lustrous, multi-tiered fantasias. It is easy to dismiss them as solipsists, their existence as the product of solipsism. But King and Poliakoff both recognize and respect the inherent creative character of these individuals, their capacity to create and perceive whole worlds. The fantasist is thus not pitied but recast as courageous and visionary.

I would probably say that Pefect Strangers has been my own favorite of the rest as, quite frankly, it was the longest and that breadth allowed Poliakoff the space he needed. As Rosenbaum said about Tarr and Satantango (and here I paraphrase again): "He needed seven hours not because he had so much to say but because he wanted to say it right". That really gets at the heart of Poliakoff's method as well; that absorption in detail and appreciation for the benefits of a sustained rhythmic approach yield so many supple rewards.

BTW, Colin, and by this point we're off in our own Poliakoff thread I'm afraid, what did you think of Capturing Mary? I've only seen it once and that's not nearly enough time to comprehend it but between this and its companion piece Joe's Palace Poliakoff seems to have turned some kind of corner toward more of a pure abstract approach in which the characters become heightened instruments for his metaphysical and trans-historical investigations.
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#343 Post by colinr0380 »

Maybe this would be better in a Poliakoff dedicated thread, since his work covers a number of decades!

Sadly I missed my chance to see Joe's Palace and Capturing Mary, which I'm still kicking myself over. I have heard that it was somewhat of a return to form after the New Labour spindoctoring and nouveau riche figures of the 80s and 90s paired films where he tried to apply the formula of newcomer inducted into a different society and learning its rules of behaviour to situations which did not really merit it (in the sense that they operate by different standards of privilege that are not associated to historical lineage), though I found it interesting that Poliakoff in these films was following the paths of what would be more minor characters in the 'bigger' films. For example Perfect Strangers has a number of digressions from the main family plot to study the work lives in the civil services of some of the minor members of the family, jobs that are rather mundane compared to the more romantic aspirational and artistic jobs of the main characters and some of the minor ones.

I liked your comment about the fantasist characters, though it might be just as good to call them 'eccentrics', of the type that can only be produced by or accepted in certain milleus, and that applies just as much to the Royal Palaces and upper class families as it does to musty photographic archives fostering its own crowd of eccentric, easily dismissed but wordly wise in their own way, characters. (I especially like the way that Timothy Spall is often the anarchical black sheep character in Shooting The Past and Perfect Strangers, compared to Lindsay Duncan's rather cold and aloofly regal personas).

I would certainly recommend Poliakoff to anyone who liked Fanny and Alexander, or films of that ilk.
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#344 Post by zedz »

Some random thoughts on latest views. I'm at the point now where I'm revisiting some definite inclusions for the sake of ranking them a little more accurately, so I'll start with those.

The Power of Kangwon Province - I was really impressed by The Day a Pig Fell into the Well when it was released, but I wasn't prepared for the sheer mastery Hong demonstrated with his second film. It remains a wonderful achievement: Rohmerian observation of character with the visual elegance of Hou and a structural ingenuity that's all Hong's own. It might well still be his best film, but looking back at it through the reversed telescope of the rest of his career, I have to nudge myself back to that original state of innocence in order to see the scale of his achievement, since so many of the tropes and techniques he experimented with in this film went on to become his bread and butter. Nevertheless, I think his feckless male protagonist is more effective in this darker context, and his story is superbly balanced by the more direct pathos evoked by the female half of the film.

Labyrinth of Dreams - This is a film that just gets better and better on repeated viewings. An effortless contender for best-looking film of the 90s and best serial killer film of the 90s. It's utterly hypnotic - Ishii in quiet, mysterious mode rather than manic, thrashing mode - but hard to describe accurately. I'll go for Mr. Thank You meets Violence at Noon by way of Tarkovsky. I suspect I'll be pushing this one up my list (though the insane and insanely beautiful August in the Water - sort of 2001 goes to high school - might slip off as a counterweight). This film has amazing sound design as well, with breathtaking use of silence and near-silence and a post-Takemitsu score composed largely of muffled crashes and distant chimes.

Mother and Son - Another film that had an almighty impact when I first saw it. So many films are described as 'painterly' if they're at all well-composed, but Sokhurov in this film goes so deeply into replicating not just the look but the texture of various oil masterpieces that it almost feels as if he must have used some apparatus other than a camera to capture the images. In the cinema, every second shot was met with gasps, and if the DVD is somewhat pallid in comparison, you still get the gist. In my experience, the less narrative Sokhurov has to deal with, the better the film, and this one is sketchy as hell but sensorily overwhelming. The intensity of the experience does tail off a little in the second half, but it's still an amazing achievement.

A Humble Life - This Sokhurov documentary has much of the visual splendour and all of the plotlessness of Mother and Son - albeit in a more photographic mode - and delivers a number of visual wallops the equal of anything he's done. This feature is an unannounced extra on Artificial Eye's Mother and Son (no hint of it on the packaging), making the disc quite a bargain.

Whispering Pages - Completing the Sokhurov trifecta, and stylistically somewhere between the two films above. This is where the Sokhurov + plot issue comes into play, as this is a sort-of adaptation of Crime and Punishment (though the credits coyly state that it's rather 'Based on 19th Century Russian literature'). The film is at its best when it's simply evoking the squalour of a period slum. or observing its characters mooching around in the half-darkness, and the periodic dialogue scenes advancing the plot are the weakest link.
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#345 Post by GringoTex »

Beau Travail

Hugely anticipated; mightily disappointed. It's great beefcake, but I want some reality in my men-at-work cinema, and nobody goes shirtless in a high sun, low humidity climate. They wear pants and long sleeves.

As is, it felt like Riefenstahl-lite.
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#346 Post by thirtyframesasecond »

Nick Cave said Mother and Son was one of the few films that could make him cry.

The film's a rather blank canvass. We don't know the names of the mother and son, more or less nothing about them - all we observe is the final moments of the mother's life and her son caring for her.

It's a light premise, only 71 mins but it's aesthetically one of the most breathtaking films I've ever seen. As you say, zedz, it looks as though every frame has been shot as if to resemble a work of art. The use of different lenses and filters and unusual camera angles create this intoxicating dreamlike atmosphere. I understand that Sokurov was influenced by the work of Caspar David Friedrich, a German artist whose allegorical landscapes have a religious and mystical edge. This'll definitely rank fairly high in my list.
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#347 Post by zedz »

thirtyframesasecond wrote: I understand that Sokurov was influenced by the work of Caspar David Friedrich, a German artist whose allegorical landscapes have a religious and mystical edge. This'll definitely rank fairly high in my list.
Somewhere around here, probably buried very deep, there was a thread in which Friedrich's influence on filmmakers was explored at some length (whole lotta Herzog, of course). Mother and Son has several dead ringers for CDF, but there's quite a debt owed to an array of Symbolists and Impressionists.
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#348 Post by swo17 »

domino harvey wrote:
Camera Obscura wrote:Are there are any other list-worthy comedies for the 90s?
I'm glad you asked, because I was looking at my DVD shelf the other day and realized I had forgot to mention one of my favorite underseen comedies, Freaked. Terrific practical special effects and a strong forward momentum help the picture overcome some of its more regrettable instances of bathroom humor. Randy Quaid has at least two of my all time favorite movie quote lines in the picture, but I still fondly remember William Sadler's line as the best of the film:
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(Calmly interrupting a board meeting to take the floor) "I'd just like to say that those who oppose us will stand knee-deep in the blood of their loved ones"
It's definitely of a mid-90s aesthetic sensibility and may be too weird for its own sake, but its Mad magazine zaniness generally comes off very well (and makes me wonder why Alex Winter didn't meet the level of success that Reeves found post-Bill and Ted)
I watched this last night, and appreciated the inventiveness of it. Yeah, some of it was fairly adolescent, and at times, it was like a rollercoaster that I wanted to get off of, but I really liked little touches like
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the board of directors controlled by strings, the hammer's backstory, and the bit with the styrofoam cup.
I must admit, it was a little difficult to get through though, what with the wife in the other room constantly chiming in with "what the hell are you watching?" or, immediately following the opening title sequence, "whew, glad that's over." (In her defense, this is probably not the best movie to be listening to out of context.) But domino, you forgot the movie's biggest selling point--it's got Pixley from Sports Night in a leading role!

Also, just curious, what are the Randy Quaid lines that constitute your all-time favorites? He did have some good ones...
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#349 Post by domino harvey »

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"Styrofoam cup" and "I guess I'm not supposed to have these either!" (Although I guess that last one is pretty dependent on the joke more than the line. But still)
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#350 Post by zedz »

Reminder time: 90s lists are due at the end of this month. I've had a few submitted already, but two of them are skewed in the same unusual direction, so there's no indication of where the final list is heading yet.

PM your lists to me. As usual, once I start collating anybody who's already submitted can ask me for the provisional rankings.
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