Sam Peckinpah Legendary Westerns

[dvdane]

On Peckinpah, but not the proposed box -- was reading that the Euro version of Cross of Iron is at least 4 minutes longer than the Hen's Tooth version in the U.S. Since this thread may be visited by some Peckinpah experts -- what is missing from the U.S. version?

Amongst other things, a russian farmgirl biting the cock off.

[igor s.]

Amongst other things, a russian farmgirl biting the cock off.

what do you mean: the image itself is cut or rather the event?

in the hen's tooth release, however, the event of the biting of the cock does indeed take place, albeit the actual image is cut-away, we still experience the scene.

-igor s.

[Ashirg]

Some exciting news on Mobius Home Video Forum. Looks like new edition of Getaway will be included in the boxset.

[cafeman]

Holy shit, it seems like they`re going all out for this box. Sounds like it`s gonna be the greatest set this year. And I`m glad they are at least trying to approximate what Peckinpah himself would`ve done (all the while apparently including the original versions as well).
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[bcsparker]

Does anybody have an idea if the newer 2 disc version of the Wild Bunch will still include the documentary An Album in Montage?

[pzman84]

I just read that "The Wild Bunch: SE" is not going to be released untill Feburary 2006. This probably means the Box Set they promised won't be released untill then also. I was looking foward to this. It was going to have not only "Bunch" but also both verisons of "Patt Garrett and Billy the Kid" on a two disc set. If what I heard was incorrect, please correct me. I want to be wrong! But, given Warner's treatment of "Bunch" and other Peckinpah films, I doubt I am.

[DrewReiber]

I just read that "The Wild Bunch: SE" is not going to be released untill Feburary 2006. This probably means the Box Set they promised won't be released untill then also. I was looking foward to this. It was going to have not only "Bunch" but also both verisons of "Patt Garrett and Billy the Kid" on a two disc set. If what I heard was incorrect, please correct me. I want to be wrong! But, given Warner's treatment of "Bunch" and other Peckinpah films, I doubt I am.

Question 1) Where was this written and when.

Question 2) What do you mean "given Warner's treatment"? That statement seems to hold little regard for the restoration process and completely new documentary that is screening at film festivals.

[BWilson]

Here's some new gossip:

I attended the screening at The American Cinematheque in LA last night. Paul Seydor, Nick Redman, and several other Peckinpah fanatics were there. They said:

1. That Warners is working on a Peckinpah box set
2. The box set will contain all of Warner's Peckinpah holdings: The Wild Bunch, Cable Hogue, Pat Garrett and Billy the Kid, Ride the High Country, and The Getaway
3. That the DVD and box set have been delayed and will be released 1 year from now in Feb. 2006
4. To much astonishment, Nick Redman said that the Pat Garrett and Billy the Kid DVD will contain a NEW cut of the film. How this will differ from Roger Spottiswood's extended cut from the mid-80's was not indicated
5. Nick Redman's new doc about The Wild Bunch (A Simple Adventure Story) will be on the Wild Bunch DVD
6. We were shown the new trailer for Colombia's rerelease of Major Dundee. LQ Jones nararates the trailer. It's kind of a lame trailer, but the picture quality and the bits of the new score were excellent. I can't wait for this.

[rossbrew]

Thanks for the skinny, 'bro.

[godardslave]

another year!

[Floyd]

Did anyone else see the copy of Ride the High Country they showed on TCM last night? Looked fantastic, the obligatory "appears the film was made yesterday" type of print. Superb film, first time seeing it, I am a Peckinpah whore though.

[the dancing kid]

Did anyone else see the copy of Ride the High Country they showed on TCM last night? Looked fantastic, the obligatory "appears the film was made yesterday" type of print. Superb film, first time seeing it, I am a Peckinpah whore though.

I caught it as well, and I agree it looked stunning. Here's hoping the other film will be up to the same standard.

[What A Disgrace]

According to "k lodge" on DVDtalk...

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Taken From this morning's USA Today:

Devotees of the late director Sam Peckinpah will revel in the upcoming "Sam Peckinpah Legendary Westerns Collection" (from Warner Bros $59.92, out January 10th). Most coveted rarities in the box set: two disc special editions of The Wild Bunch, enhanced for widescreen TVs for the first time, and Pat Garrett and Billy the Kid with a version restored to the late director's original intention. The other two films are Ride the High Country (Randolph Scott and Joel McCrea) and The Ballard of Cable Hogue (Jason Robards and Stella Stevens).

Also stated that several documentaries will be included.

[FilmFanSea]

Regarding Pat Garrett and Billy the Kid:

The new cut debuted at the 2005 Cannes Film Festival, and was supervised by Peckinpah scholars Nick Redman and Paul Seydor (based on Peckinpah's notes). According to this post:

The new cut contains additional scenes, including a scene between Pat Garrett and his wife, the Ruthie Lee scene, an extended sequence with the prostitutes, and Bob Dylan's song has been reinstated into [spolier ahead]

Spoiler

Slim Pickens very memorable death scene.

Nick Redman has posted some additional information:

Garner [Simmons], Paul [Seydor], David [Weddle] and I have done commentaries on all the Warner Peckinpahs, as well as the about-to-be released Major Dundee, and I have to say they are a lot of fun to do, and I hope they are fun and informative for the listeners. In fact, for the PAT GARRETT disc we did two commentaries, one on the old so-called "director's cut," and one on the new cut which Paul Seydor and I supervised, which specifically charts the differences between the two, and why the director's cut wasn't the director's cut at all.

[DrewReiber]

Wow, simply, wow. With the wide home video release for the closer cut of Peckinpah's Pat Garrett & Billy the Kid, I feel like I'm seeing cinema history being healed. This set is easily one of the most exciting releases I look forward to in 2006.

[FilmFanSea]

The official press release detailing full specs is here.

My god, what a mind-blowing set.

[Gordon]

This sounds amazing. It's been a giddy 6 months for Peckinpah fans! At first, I thought the Major Dundee restoration was a hoax, but no! And now we get definitive editions of four masterpieces?

I was expecting to see Passion And Poetry: The Ballad Of Sam Peckinpah somewhere on this set, but Warner have provided Sam Peckinpah's West: Legacy of a Hollywood Renegade which is excellent. But as I have not seen Passion And Poetry (only the clips from Major Dundee) I was hoping that it would be included in the Warner set. One wonders where Passion And Poetry will now appear on DVD. As a stand-alone disc?

Great work from Warner, though!

[BWilson]

Is Sam Peckinpah's West: Legacy of a Hollywood Renegade the documentary that played on Starz! Westerns channel?

[the dancing kid]

Is Sam Peckinpah's West: Legacy of a Hollywood Renegade the documentary that played on Starz! Westerns channel?

Yup. I've caught the last hour or so a few times, but I've never seen the whole thing through yet.

[RevKarl]

As it is not part of this box set, can anyone recommend a R1 (or RO NTSC) release for Peckinpah's first feature The Deadly Companions?

[Lino]

Covers:

http://www.dvdtimes.co.uk/content.php?contentid=58825

Just a question: does someone who's not into westerns that much (apart from the ocasional Leone) will like these films? As I understand, Peckinpah's vision of the Wild West is very different from the likes of Huston or others, so how do the films fare (a little background would be nice if it's not asking too much...)?

[Gordon]

As it is not part of this box set, can anyone recommend a R1 (or RO NTSC) release for Peckinpah's first feature The Deadly Companions?

There's this Japanese edition from late 2004, that has a gorgeous anamorphic 2.35:1 transfer, apparently: www.cdjapan.co.jp/detailview.html?KEY=DABA-82

$33 plus, what... $10 for postage, is it? Very, very expensive. I love his films and I'd love to finally see this film in its OAR, but I cannot justify paying more than $25 for this disc.

[Gordon]

I love the Pat Garrett cover. Coburn lives forever!

[the dancing kid]

Just a question: does someone who's not into westerns that much (apart from the ocasional Leone) will like these films? As I understand, Peckinpah's vision of the Wild West is very different from the likes of Huston or others, so how do the films fare (a little background would be nice if it's not asking too much...)?

I think it varies by film. Ride the High Country is a classical western through and through, even though it comes at the end of that cycle. That's actually my favorite of the set, but if you don't like westerns, it might not be very appealing. The Wild Bunch is kind of an anti-western, so that one might be a good starting place. Peckinpah's films, even his period westerns, are of the era in which they were made, and there are varying degrees of allegorical tones to the events and social atmosphere of the sixties in all of these films.

[kekid]

I am not a fan of the westerns, but I love the Peckinpah westerns, even "Ride the high country", and definitely The Wild Bunch". You will miss something if you avoid them because of your aversion to the genre.