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#76 Post by Scharphedin2 »

denti alligator wrote:I'm gearing up to participate (again) this time, so when's the 70s due date? End of the month?
Denti, I believe the final decision on this was to leave longer space between the polls for the next few decades to allow the 2000 list to intersect with the end of the decade.

I hope we have until the end of May with the '70s list, as I am trying to get quite a bit of viewing in before deadline.

Another question -- which decade are Zulawski's Diabeland On the Silver Globe seen to belong in? Both films were either started or completed in the '70s, but not completed/released until the '80s.
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#77 Post by colinr0380 »

Scharphedin2 wrote:Another question -- which decade are Zulawski's Diabeland On the Silver Globe seen to belong in? Both films were either started or completed in the '70s, but not completed/released until the '80s.
I'm willing to be corrected on this but I guess the difference is that Diabel was finished but suppressed until the 80s so in effect would be counted as a 1972 film while On A Silver Globe had footage added to complete the story in the 80s, making the final product a 1987 film. That seems to be the way the imdb sees it.
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#78 Post by zedz »

colinr0380 wrote:I'm willing to be corrected on this but I guess the difference is that Diabel was finished but suppressed until the 80s so in effect would be counted as a 1972 film while On A Silver Globe had footage added to complete the story in the 80s, making the final product a 1987 film. That seems to be the way the imdb sees it.
The rule is imdb, even when it's demonstrably wrong, so this is correct.

And the revised dates, ratified by a consensus of apathy, are:

May 2008 - 1970s
December 2008 - 1980s
June 2009 - 1990s
January 2010 - 2000s

End of month in each case.
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#79 Post by Scharphedin2 »

As usual, I have made an attempt at viewing a lot of cinema from the decade of the ‘70s that I had not previously seen, and as usual it is a doomed project. However, I have managed to see some films, and there is still time before deadline, so – time permitting – I will begin to post some comments and thoughts.

Generally, what impresses me about the seventies is, how radically different the films feel from the decades that went before, both in content and style. I feel it is a chaotic decade, and in general I also feel that what was gained in permissiveness in the seventies was to a large extent lost in the abandonment of interest in “telling a story” and engaging the emotion of the audience. This is of course a huge generalisation, and it is probably unfair, but in comparison with viewing the films of the ‘30s to the ‘60s, this does seem to me an overriding commonality between a good number of the films that I have so far seen.

Initially I had intended to view Fassbinder’s films chronologically, much in the way that zedz has, but after reading zedz’ excellent commentary, which begins here, I realise that Fantoma and Wellspring blundered in their labelling of the films, so what I thought were films from 1970, actually covered films from 1969 to 1973. In any event, I so far viewed Gods of the Plague, Martha, Why Does Herr R. Run Amock?, Whity and Pioneers of Ingollstadt, but whereas I can see the qualities pointed out by zedz in his mini-essays on the various films, I just cannot completely surrender to these films.

The film I took the greatest distance to was actually Whity. I appreciate everything that this film meant within Fassbinder’s personal oeuvre in terms of advances in style and mise-en-scene, but the film itself is just such a huge exercise in nihilism that I could not find any way into this work, and I have to question the point of it all. Could life really be that sad and disgusting even to Fassbinder, or, is it simply an exercise in provoking the establishment? Further, I struggled to see, why Fassbinder needed to superimpose his personal mores on the western genre, and the only answer I could really come up with was to add a further layer of insult to the general German public, who would have been shocked by the film in any guise, and certainly no less so by it being dressed up as one of the nation’s favourite genres.

My response to Pioneers In Ingollstadt was more in the line of apathy. The women that Fassbinder depict in this film are often grotesque, and as was pointed out somewhere in the Fassbinder thread, the approach to the staging of the film was Brechtian, and so most of the encounters between the people in the film come across as wilfully staged, and for that reason I again found it hard to connect with this film. The actual events depicted are deeply tragic, but Fassbinder does not allow the audience to enter into the emotions of these moments. Since this is clearly the purpose, I struggle to see the point. Is Fassbinder trying to make his audience complicit in his own apathy?

Gods of the Plague observes the world of ‘40s and ‘50s American crime dramas quite closely both in terms of story structure and development, and style. Simultaneously, it is very consciously and clearly set in a German city of the ‘70s. Fassbinder’s nihilism is toned down here, and so, to me this film was more enjoyable to view and worked a lot better.

Why Does Herr R. Run Amock? and Martha were the ones of these films by Fassbinder that I like best. The former plays like one long series of humiliations of the title character, but Fassbinder is actually on the subtle side here, and the various incidents do not in and of themselves come across as that outrageous – nothing that many of us would not observe amongst people that we know every day of the week. Fassbinder takes his portrait of Herr R. to the logical extreme, but I think it is a very astute portrait of the kind of life that a huge number of people lead – a long gradual descent into defeat and apathy. If Herr R. is Fassbinder’s everyman, then Martha is a portrait of a woman, who finds herself in a very horrible and unique situation (although, I would not be surprised to learn that hers is a metaphor by Fassbinder for the life of every woman). The film seemed to me the most carefully composed of these films with strong visual compositions throughout, and that fantastic shot of the main characters first meeting as the axis upon which the film turns.

I managed to see two of Godard’s films of the early seventies on very poor VHS – British Sounds and Vladimir and Rosa, and probably I should not have, because the decrepit nature of the presentations did nothing to add to my appreciation of these films. Until seeing these two films, I have always been impressed with Godard’s work, but there is only little of the Godard that I know in these two films. The former plays like a lecture on the ills of capitalism narrated over predominantly stock footage of industrial plants, union meetings, and written intertitles that play with words and language. The emphatic proto-Marxian worldview that the film represents is interesting as a document of the times in which the film was made, especially knowing how things have gone in the world since then. Vladimir and Rosa is more of a theatrical enactment of the same ideas. The film is largely staged as a capitalist procedure against a number of leftist activists. Again, the worn presentation of the film did not help, but the whole endeavour came across as hysteric and almost self-parodic. There were brief glimpses of Godard’s former style of filmmaking in some of the interludes between the procedurals, but it all seemed very confused and chaotic to me.

Viva la muerte was the first film I have seen by Fernando Arabal, and it is another film that I struggled with. It opens with a Danish children’s nonsense song over medieval etchings of torture, and then proceeds like a catalogue of human infamy played out against Franco’s Spain, and centered around a boy, whose mother may or may not have deceived his father. The film is apparently a very personal work based on Arabal’s own biography, and told in pseudo-surreal fashion. There are moments that are visually striking, but in the end I felt that the film as such was very impenetrable, and extremely (needlessly?) brutal and graphic. To an extent, Jodorowsky’s El topo (which I have literally looked forward to seeing for more than a decade) is similar to Viva in its violence and surreal approach. However, where the undercurrent of the former is political, it is religion in El topo. It is a visually gorgeous film, and the mythical landscape that Jodorowsky paints is compelling, and yet I also felt that this film was somehow overblown, especially once I got into the second half with its more direct religious imagery.

Clearly many of the films discussed above (El topo included) would benefit from second viewings in terms of deciphering all of what they have to say, and possibly my impression of them would gain. However, I wonder if this outward complexity really merits the works of these people, or, whether to an extent it is a smokescreen to cover an essential lack of content and purpose.

Reading back over this post, I realise that it is probably the most negative I have ever written for the forum. I did not really feel negative when viewing the films themselves, and generally I enjoy the whole project of being able to see all these different films, but maybe the many months of viewing films of older vintage is an ill preparation to fully embrace the films of the seventies.
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#80 Post by zedz »

Scharphedin2 wrote:I realise that Fantoma and Wellspring blundered in their labelling of the films, so what I thought were films from 1970, actually covered films from 1969 to 1973.
The dates I'm using are from the MoMA catalogue and they're dates of creation rather than release. I find them much more useful because Fassbinder's production was so headlong during this period that the blunt instrument of release dates - when available - can obscure the true chronology.

Nothing wrong with being negative when your negativity is so well reasoned. I'm with you on Jodorowsky and Arrabal: visually impressive filmmakers sunk by a terminally adolescent sensibility.
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#81 Post by zedz »

La Rupture

My prior experience with Chabrol has been patchy: probably about a dozen films over twenty years: many enjoyed, a couple disliked, but only one (Les Bonnes Femmes) loved, so I was keen to make up the deficit, starting with this highly esteemed film, which I ended up acquiring twice in short order. The US transfer is pretty bad, though it does have a fawning commentary the superior UK edition lacks, if that's your thing.

I found the film enjoyable and very efficiently organized - Chabrol really was paying attention to Hitchcock all those years - but couldn't see what would cause various people to elevate it into the top rank, so I'm curious to hear what others see in it. For me, it settled in as a superior thriller of its day: had it been in English, it could have comfortably sat amongst the top rank of Hammer / Amicus output.

The good stuff:
- a strong pulpy opening, with great use of a blocky, distracted, sub-Pasolini editing style;
- occasional felicities of mise-en-scene and montage: the fun acid trip in the park; several smart and sinister unexpected inserts; some nice match-cuts on action;
- smart-as-clockwork tricksy plotting and all-business exposition.

The less-good stuff:
- extremely 'functional' characterisation and performance, even more plot-constrained than Hitchcock's lay figures (worst offender is Cassel's scantily-clad, one-dimensional girlfriend, who would fit right into the most perfunctory 'swinging' exploitation pic of the time);
- flat lighting and generic decor (with a couple of notable exceptions: Stephane's underutilised blue room and that alarming wall-mounted carpet at the hospital);
- conventionally efficient shot / countershot decoupage and merely pragmatic camera moves for much of the film.

Nothing wrong with the film, but no revelation for me. What am I missing?
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#82 Post by GringoTex »

zedz wrote:La Rupture

Nothing wrong with the film, but no revelation for me. What am I missing?
I'll stick this one on tonight. Have you watched Pleasure Party yet?
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#83 Post by colinr0380 »

zedz wrote:- a strong pulpy opening, with great use of a blocky, distracted, sub-Pasolini editing style
One of the most traumatic openings to a film I've ever seen (and I'm usually the first to cheer at a film seriously injuring the family's annoying kid!) - it also manages to show a giddy comic-horror moment of watching a wife repeatedly hitting her husband with a frying pan while not falling into total absurdity by playing it completely straight!
- smart-as-clockwork tricksy plotting and all-business exposition.
I love the way in La Rupture that the couple splitting up don't push the action forward themselves after the opening attack by the man and the woman's declaration of wanting a divorce without fuss, just with custody of the child. You even end up with sympathy for the obviously troubled husband in that amazing scene in the tram where Hélène describes their relationship to the (kindly, compared to the scheming scumbag the parents hire!) lawyer!

The film perhaps shows how once events are set in motion and feelings become public that so many other vested interests get involved that the feelings of the couple in question become almost irrelevant.
The less-good stuff:
- extremely 'functional' characterisation and performance, even more plot-constrained than Hitchcock's lay figures (worst offender is Cassel's scantily-clad, one-dimensional girlfriend, who would fit right into the most perfunctory 'swinging' exploitation pic of the time);
- flat lighting and generic decor (with a couple of notable exceptions: Stephane's underutilised blue room and that alarming wall-mounted carpet at the hospital);
- conventionally efficient shot / countershot decoupage and merely pragmatic camera moves for much of the film.
I think that is a signature of Chabrol's films - the way that his films are genre pieces made in an almost flat style. So the most disturbing events are treated with the same weight as the 'normal' scenes (perhaps best shown in Les Biches when one of the characters is shown to have serious mental problems that lead us to look back over the rest of the film in a completely different manner and suddenly realise what a dangerous game the other characters have been playing by using her in their sex games). Similarly Le Boucher treats a serial killer's crimes in an unemphasised manner that becomes shocking and original in execution through the lack of shock tactics, even in some ways leading the viewer to draw comparisons with the quiet schoolteacher's state of mind due to the similarities in the way they are presented.

Sorry to take your specific questions about La Rupture and then talk about other films instead(!) but I think Chabrol's films really reveal themselves as masterpieces when seen in relation to each other - for example in La Femme infidèle almost everything is filmed in the same flat manner but there is one magnificent circling track around Hélène as she enters her husband's office after he becomes suspicious of her infidelity that stands out. It is quite complex because it starts on the wrong side of the door that opens into the office, then tracks around the door to reveal the flirtatious secretary (comparable to the girl in La Rupture, the true woman with lack of morals whose flaws the men seem to overlook because she's a shallow sex kitten and not as threateningly powerful and unknowable as the 'real' women) standing there, who then moves back out of the doorway to let Hélène come through, giving both Charles's head on view of her as she walks in and a more detatched side on view as she walks through and between the door and the camera (the camera is always moving and by this point is now on the opposite side of the door). Then the camera turns to follow Hélène as she walks to her husband and they kiss - the camera moving back into the doorway but now facing into, rather than out of the room and taking the secretary's point of view as the couple turn to face her and she leaves.

That is a stunning camera move that says so much about the shifting of point of view all in one shot, but the impact is also amplified by the way it comes in amongst a lot of 'classically' shot scenes that play almost blandly.
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#84 Post by vivahawks »

I’ve been quietly enjoying and learning from the posts in this thread for a while, so I thought that I’d pitch in with a few notes about underappreciated favorites of my own. I don't have much to say about Chabrol, but thought I'd mention Roberto Rossellini’s 70s historical films since no one else has brought them up so far. I’ve yet to see Blaise Pascal and Augustine of Hippo, but have seen and can highly recommend (in order of preference) The Age of the Medici, Cartesius, Socrates, and The Messiah. Their flaws are easily apparent, from the atrocious dubbing to the historical inaccuracies and the abstruse dialogue and narratives. Rossellini claimed that the only purpose for these films was educational, so if they’re not entirely satisfactory technically or historically, what makes them great?
I think it’s Rossellini’s attempt to make thinking itself—the process, the preconditions, the consequences—his subject and to capture it on film. He does this not with razzle-dazzle tricks but through his insatiably curious camera, constantly zooming and reframing to keep up with his characters’ minds, and the peculiar intensity of his actors. It’s highly, almost experimentally formalist, but unlike most films of similar stylistic rigor the style here is mainly focused on intellectual rather than aesthetic or emotional beauty. “Contemplative cinema” is a much-overused and usually meaningless term, but these movies earn that label, engaging and directing the viewer’s intellectual curiosity about the world in ways as almost no other films do. The Age of the Medici is the most ambitious and wide-ranging, offering a fascinating and peculiarly exciting view of political skullduggery as well as a survey of the incredible achievements of the era, while Cartesius is an unparalleled study of personal intellectual integrity. At the same time all the films are very concerned with how such achievements are shaped and made possible by the (often horrific) historical circumstances in which they appear, and Cartesius is very subtle about the personal cost of making pure, cold reason a guiding principle for living. Like his shifting camera, Rossellini constantly unveils new and unexpected angles from which to view his subject. These movies are not for everyone, but they are incredibly rich and rewarding for those who make the effort.
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#85 Post by GringoTex »

zedz wrote:La Rupture

Nothing wrong with the film, but no revelation for me. What am I missing?
I just watched it and was floored. It's an adaptation of Balzac's Pere Goriot (arguably the quentisential French novel) and plays deliciously off the novel's classic French boarding house setting, with Cassel doing a perverted take on Rastignac.

Chabrol also mixes in two idiots: the "actor" who is the inversion of Balzac's famous Vautrin/Collin character, and the autistic daughter who is the inversion of Hitchcock's little brainy pony-tailed smart-asses. And then there're the Three Sisters of Fate (via Greek mythology) and their Tarot cards who can't see their own noses. It's all teriffic comedy.

What makes it a masterpiece for me is that Chabrol takes all these classical references and successfully integrates them into a psychodrama where my greatest wish was to see the right people die. It probably didn't hurt that the character of the four-year-old Michel is a dead ringer for my own son.

I'm sure Hitchcock was proud.
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#86 Post by colinr0380 »

GringoTex wrote:Chabrol also mixes in two idiots: the "actor" who is the inversion of Balzac's famous Vautrin/Collin character, and the autistic daughter who is the inversion of Hitchcock's little brainy pony-tailed smart-asses. And then there're the Three Sisters of Fate (via Greek mythology) and their Tarot cards who can't see their own noses. It's all teriffic comedy.
Sorry to talk about a 60s film in a 70s list thread(!) but in Les Biches the female couple go to Audran's country house and meet up with an incredibly annoying male couple who provide some comic relief and commentary on the action until they get kicked out! In that film it also seems that their acting out is meant to act as an ironic contrast to the almost unknowable emotions the main characters are feeling.
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#87 Post by zedz »

GringoTex wrote:Have you watched Pleasure Party yet?
Watched it on the weekend and found it much more impressive than La Rupture: far more interesting mise en scene (nice tracking shots, the 'obscuring objects in the foreground' motif) and staging (the outdoor discussion between the couple, in which their physical proximity is obscured by the isolation of them in very different shot / reverse shots, while Elise is counting ominously in the background) and lots of smart and sharp matched edits linking discrete scenes. I much prefer this subtle stylishness than 'deliberate blandness', however efficient.

The characters were also far less schematic, though I thought the performances were a little shaky at times. Cassel and Audran were pitch-perfect in the earlier film, but very flatly characterised - no stretching required. I wasn't entirely convinced by the melodramatic ending, but I'm not sure if this was simply a structural thing (the writer reaching for the most convenient ending) or a matter of the performances not selling it for me.
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#88 Post by Scharphedin2 »

I also viewed La Rupture a few weeks back, and although I think that Gringo’s comments as to the literary influences that Chabrol brought into his work are interesting, and, just as Colin’s approach to the film in the context of the whole of Chabrol’s work actually makes a lot of sense with the excellent examples from Le boucher and La femme infidele, I still can’t help feeling much the way zedz does about this film.

In comparison to these other Chabrol films, I felt that there was just a touch too much farce about La Rupture; and moreover, it was as if Chabrol was changing his mind about what kind of film he was making while making it. We get a very convincing and powerful premise in the first 15 minutes of the film, but then the story is continuously pushed further off center by the introduction of a series of characters that are either baroque to the point of being unbelievable within the context of the initial premise (the “sisterhood” of card players, the backwards girl, the grand actor, and even to an extent Cassel and Stephane’s husband), or, one-dimensional as in the case of Cassel’s girlfriend, the doctor who secures Stephane her tenement, and the parents of Stephane’s husband. I suppose all of this would bother me less, if the film shifted completely in tone, but as the center of identification continues to be Stephane, who remains unchanged and uncorrupted by any of the things that happen in the course of the film, and with Chabrol literally turning her into a saint figure by the end, the film ended up feeling artificial and insincere to me.

With the little of Chabrol’s work that I have seen, I am convinced that he is a good storyteller, that he is a very good director of actors, and something like a technical master of cinema, however, I am not sure that he has anything very meaningful to say (which is ultimately where he so far falls short of several of his contemporary French colleagues in my view). The idea, which Gringo indirectly brings up, of Chabrol as some kind of contemporary Balzac (secretary of France) with his huge body of work intrigues me, and I am still prepared to be completely won over by Chabrol in the future with a greater overview of his total work.

Another director, who tried to do something similar to what Chabrol may have been attempting with La Rupture was Billy Wilder with The Private Life of Sherlock Holmes. Wilder’s premise is to have Watson tell a final tale about his detective friend from beyond the grave. It is a tale that is much in the vein of Doyle’s famous mysteries involving the master detective, but with the added spice of being an exposé of Holmes’ love life. The film is a little shorter on comedy than many of Wilder’s best films, but the production qualities are splendid, and bring back memories of Hollywood in its prime. It is all so much good fun to watch that when Wilder momentarily lifts the veil of the tragedy that is Holmes’ private life, it is like a slap in the face. There are two scenes in this film that I will never forget; they are very subtle, but speak of the life without love, and I am convinced that these are the moments that Wilder reached deep within himself to bring to the screen, and that transport the viewer beyond the not inconsiderable pleasures of the film as such. This is not Wilder’s best film, but it is one that delivered much more than I had expected, given the reputation of the film as a butchered effort.

Much more loosely based on the work of a very favourite author of mine (Jorge Luis Borges) is The Spider’s Stratagem by Bernardo Bertolucci. In fact, it having been a while since I read Borges’ work, I would be hard pressed to point out exactly what Bertolucci took from Borges’ story/ies, except perhaps the general sense of the repetition of a pattern that becomes clear at the end of the film. Be that as it may, the film is visually and atmospherically stunning, set in the recent past in a middling town in rural Italy, investigating events that took place during the Second World War. The slow unravelling of the mystery that is at the heart of the story, along with the feeling of depth and complexity of the characters merits several viewings. This is a very special and excellent film, sorely in need of a release on DVD.

Past lists polls on this forum have taught me that I am firmly in the minority, when it comes to an admiration for George Stevens, especially with respect to his later films. I imagine that more people will agree on his ability, when it comes to the comedic timing of his romantic comedies of the ‘30s and ‘40s, and I had hopes that The Only Game In Town (his last film) would somehow magically have been a return to the past. Competent performances by Elizabeth Taylor and Warren Beatty notwithstanding, the film is unfortunately not really in the vein of the films that Stevens made in the prime of the studio days. The Only Game In Town comes across almost as filmed theatre, and even if the characters are not without interest (her a showgirl, he a compulsive gambler, both stranded in Las Vegas), there is little of cinematic interest here.

I viewed Performance very late one night, and it was probably a poor decision, because I had a very hard time staying focussed on the film, especially in the latter half. The cinematography and editing is definitely impressive, the way the film spirals in the beginning, flashing back and forth between several events that only gradually reveal the character of who and what James Fox is, and his place within his world. As far as I understand the film, it continues to investigate this theme of identity – and tests the boundaries and limits of self-understanding of its characters (Jagger enters the film halfway through as a sort of inverted doppelganger to the Fox character). However, the film did feel very fond of its own psychedelic mind games, and by the end of it, I was unsure what to make of it all.

Yoshishige’s Eros Plus Massacre and Coup d’etat, are still the greatest revelations for me amongst the seventies films that I have viewed, but another Japanese film – Mujo by Akio Jissoji – comes close. The plot of the film is propelled by the confirmed nihilist world view of its protagonist, and feels as if it could have been co-scripted by Mishima and Cocteau. Add to that the cinematic style, which is similar to that of the Yoshishige films, and it made for me an enthralling viewing experience – filmmaking with the weight of high literature.

Finally, I viewed a couple of Italian giallos that I did not really expect to be in the running for a “best of” list, but that I simply thought would be good entertainment. Featuring the contributions of both Storaro and Morricone, Dario Argento’s The Bird With the Crystal Plumage is, as already pointed out by zedz earlier above, a cinematically rich experience, even if the material is pure pulp. And then, still, the story here is actually very clever, and takes a number of really imaginative turns, which makes this film come out looking significantly better than another giallo -- The Strange Vice of Mrs. Wardh, which was made at the same time, but where the implausibility of the story becomes irritating toward the end, and where the filmmakers almost appear to delight in the misogynistic and violent behaviour of several of the men in the film.
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#89 Post by starmanof51 »

Scharphedin2 wrote:The Strange Vice of Mrs. Wardh, which was made at the same time, but where the implausibility of the story becomes irritating toward the end, and where the filmmakers almost appear to delight in the misogynistic and violent behaviour of several of the men in the film.
Exactly. I watched this a couple months ago myself. I wanted to like it, in the rather pulpy, one-dimensional way it is possible to enjoy some of these giallos. It was going along alright, delivering on my slight expectations, until the final third, when I became irritated as well for the same reasons you describe. It's a giallo, so I'm prepared for implausibility, and I'm prepared for misogyny, but they were bound together in a way that made me a little angry and invalidated the not-bad genre moves of the first half. I would have been less angry had it just been flat-out bad from start to finish. Anyway, back to list-worthy stuff.
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Scharphedin2 wrote:Another director, who tried to do something similar to what Chabrol may have been attempting with La Rupture was Billy Wilder with The Private Life of Sherlock Holmes. Wilder’s premise is to have Watson tell a final tale about his detective friend from beyond the grave. It is a tale that is much in the vein of Doyle’s famous mysteries involving the master detective, but with the added spice of being an exposé of Holmes’ love life. The film is a little shorter on comedy than many of Wilder’s best films, but the production qualities are splendid, and bring back memories of Hollywood in its prime. It is all so much good fun to watch that when Wilder momentarily lifts the veil of the tragedy that is Holmes’ private life, it is like a slap in the face. There are two scenes in this film that I will never forget; they are very subtle, but speak of the life without love, and I am convinced that these are the moments that Wilder reached deep within himself to bring to the screen, and that transport the viewer beyond the not inconsiderable pleasures of the film as such. This is not Wilder’s best film, but it is one that delivered much more than I had expected, given the reputation of the film as a butchered effort.
I always tend to associate Private Life of Sherlock Holmes with all those other "revisionist" Sherlock Holmes adaptations of the 1970s and early 1980s: The Seven-Per-Cent Solution, Murder By Decree, Sherlock Holmes in New York, etc. I guess Wilder's film must have been the first, but if you're a fan of Arthur Conan Doyle's stories, all of them are interesting. They're "revisionist" in the sense of exploding the Basil Rathbone/Nigel Bruce model and, although not usually based on Doyle's originals, are truer in spirit to the original characters, setting, etc. Of course, all of this would culminate in the Jeremy Brett series for Granada. My favorite of the 1970s films is probably Murder By Decree, which was directed by Bob Clark -- just before he made Porky's!
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#91 Post by Scharphedin2 »

tryavna wrote:I always tend to associate Private Life of Sherlock Holmes with all those other "revisionist" Sherlock Holmes adaptations of the 1970s and early 1980s: The Seven-Per-Cent Solution, Murder By Decree, Sherlock Holmes in New York, etc. I guess Wilder's film must have been the first, but if you're a fan of Arthur Conan Doyle's stories, all of them are interesting. They're "revisionist" in the sense of exploding the Basil Rathbone/Nigel Bruce model and, although not usually based on Doyle's originals, are truer in spirit to the original characters, setting, etc. Of course, all of this would culminate in the Jeremy Brett series for Granada. My favorite of the 1970s films is probably Murder By Decree, which was directed by Bob Clark -- just before he made Porky's!
Tryavna, I actually only have the vaguest of reading experiences of Doyle's original stories, and I have not seen any of the other Holmes films that you mention -- although Wilder's film (and your post) did intrigue me enough to want to look up some of these other works (both Doyle's originals, and some of the later interpretations). However, Wilder has always been a director I admired and enjoyed a lot, and I think that he put something very personal into this film, which I responded to.

Moving on down the line of the huge list of 1970s films that I was hoping to view in connection with this lists poll, here are some notes on a couple of handfuls of these films that I viewed recently.

Someone mentioned above that Barbara Loden’s Wanda (sadly, her only feature film as director and actress), was a central film of the ‘70s to that poster. I viewed the film on a particularly rainy evening, and the film definitely also resonated with me. In the mid-90s I spent a season in an area of Michigan that could have stood in for the country that Wanda travels through, amongst people who were not much different from those depicted in this film. It is possibly the only American film that I have ever seen that depicts a white female drifter; a woman who passively accepts a divorce at the opening of the film, and walks away from her family without looking back. She is like a fallen leaf in the wind, taking up randomly with more or less any strangers who will take her along, no matter how ill they treat her. And, no one treats Wanda particularly kindly at all. That said, it is also one of the single most depressing films that I have seen from the decade of the seventies (or any other decade for that matter), and for presenting such an unflinching image of a huge side of the American story that is not habitually chronicled, I would agree that this is a central American film of the seventies.

As someone who admires the bloody, apocalyptic world of Sam Peckinpah’s cinema almost in spite of myself, I was very happy to finally see The Ballad of Cable Hogue, which, like Junior Bonner, displays a different, and less graphically sadistic side of the filmmaker. If revenge is still the driving force behind Cable’s actions, and women are still something to be bought at best, then in this film, at least, Peckinpah depicts a man, who is capable of mercy, and who is actually seen to engage in something like marital bliss. The film looks gorgeous, even without any of the director’s signature slow-motion choreography (in fact, we get a few scenes of sped-up action instead), and the only thing which really places this film short of Peckinpah’s best work for me is the way the ending is played.

Viewing Catch-22, I found myself regretting that I never read this particular book. The premise of the double-logic that is the catch of the title – the main character is “crazy,” and as such can be exempted from further duty in the air force, however, to ask to be exempted on these grounds would be the act of a rational mind, thus disqualifying him as crazy, and he would have to fly his missions – is a fascinating one. The structure of the film could be seen to follow the paths of the protagonist’s mind, with events happening out of order, and characters and situations becoming increasingly baroque. How much of this came from the novel, I do not know, but it makes for an engaging and often entertaining film.

The central conceit of No Blade of Grass: that in the near future, the soil of the earth has become polluted to the extent that it can’t feed the world almost comes across as prophetic, considering the vintage of the film. Within the first fifteen minutes, the global situation spins out of control, with martial law being declared in Britain, and we follow a family in their attempt to escape London and make it into the highlands, where the brother of the father presides over an estate with fields that still produce food. On the way, they confront a number of other people with whom they ally themselves, and/or fight for survival. As the film progresses, the focus soon shifts from the ecological disaster, to the psychology of the small group of survivors. Cornell Wilde directed the film, and it is reasonably successful as a thinking man’s action picture, although Wilde could have done without the intrusive flash-forwards that are inserted rather arbitrarily into the flow of the film, and which had me wondering, whether the film had been edited in a booth with Roeg and Cammell going at it next door.

Having seen almost all of Michelangelo Antonioni’s films, I have long waited for an opportunity to see Zabriskie Point, and a dear friend finally provided this opportunity by making a copy of it available to me. Being aware that this particular film has a strongly divided reputation, I was most prepared to be less than overwhelmed, only to find that I absolutely loved it. Really, everything about it: the awesome use of the widescreen and color; the depiction of both the desert and urban landscapes; the sense of freedom and revolt; the romance of automotive and aerial travel. There is a driving scene in Los Angeles, where the billboards and the cityscape miraculously bleed into one another and become one that took my breath away, and the courtship between the two main characters, as she is driving on a desert highway, and he is soaring high above in an airplane is fantastic cinema. And, the final montage is legendary, of course. Perhaps most surprising of all to me is the timelessness of this film, which was so obviously carved out of the confrontation between the youth of the time and the established society. Aside from the first quarter of an hour, which directly concerns a student rebellion on a College campus, and the gratuitously pshychedelic orgy scene in the desert, just about everything else in the film could have easily been shot yesterday. An absolutely essential film of the ‘70s, which remains unobtainable in acceptable format on DVD anywhere in the world – what a pity!

As with a large number of Oshima’s films, zedz has already provided an excellent and insightful teaser for The Man Who Left His Will On Film earlier in this thread, and it is the best possible introduction to the film. The style and structure of this film is very rich, and builds upon a number of earlier Oshima films (Shinjuku Thief, Death by Hanging, Three Resurrected Drunkards). As far as the narrative goes, the best term to cover all the different things that transpire throughout the film may be investigative – there is a quest that runs through the film of understanding the apparent suicide of a character that takes place in the film’s opening minutes, but as is usual with Oshima, the story folds in upon itself and chases down unexpected paths at several turns, and in the course of the film the characters end up investigating themselves above all, political realities in Japan at the moment, the nature of making films, and so on. That said, I will admit that there were moments in this film, where – because of the way the film shoots off in so many directions – I began to question if Oshima was really in control of the film, and I admit that I even thought the film lapsed into self-parody at times, but then a few minutes later it became clear that Oshima was very much guiding things along with a strong purpose. The investigation into the locations of the film left behind by the deceased filmmaker is a tour-de-force in itself, and resonates in so many ways within the film itself, Oshima’s body of work, and the idea of film as such. I am not at all sure that this particular film will register strongly, unless one has seen a good number of Oshima’s other films, but as far as I am concerned this is one of his very best.

While Teruo Ishii’s Blind Woman’s Curse may not be in league with the lofty films of the ‘70s by fellow countrymen Yoshishige, Jissoji and Oshima that I have so far seen, it is nonetheless a truly unique entertainment that blends just about every genre peculiar to the world of Japanese film. Here is yakuza and martial arts action wedded to otherworldy horror, presented against a psychedelically colourful backdrop of Meiji society. There is a rather healthy injection of the erotic as well, with beautiful Meiko Kaji (bright star of many pinky violence films) heading a large and busy cast of characters.

Last Spring I read an excellent review by Svet Atanasov (Pro-Bassoonist) over at DVDTalk of Roy Andersson’s En Kärlekshistorie. As a Dane, living in Sweden, I am utterly surprised never to have heard about this lovely little film. Aside from being a really genuine and bitter-sweet depiction of teenage love, it is also an excellent portrait of Sweden in 1970. Andersson is a master at depicting the human, and there are a number of scenes in this film describing the subtle defeats that take place over the decades in people’s lives. One specifically striking scene occurs in the first few minutes of the film, as the members of a family have gone to visit their grandfather at the hospital. They take him out for a walk in the park adjoining the hospital; they stop to have lunch at a small outdoor cafeteria, and at one point the comment is dropped that they will soon have grandpa back home again. However, grandpa emphatically states that he will not go home, and lapses into a disjointed speech on loneliness. The way the scene is played, the old man’s muffled words and tears streaking his cheeks, are of course all but completely drowned out by the clatter of plates, the chatter of the cafeteria’s guests, the barking of a dog, and the eternal nightmare of a little girl hopelessly playing a recorder to her grandmother. Aside from the intrinsic qualities of the film, I was absolutely shaken by the story that is told outside the edge of the frame – the social changes that have taken place in Sweden (and the rest of the world) in the past 30-40 years are truly heartbreaking.

About a month ago, I started a separate thread on The Up Series in an attempt to interest the forum in this singular documentary project (unfortunately it has sunk without a trace, I am afraid). The project began as a 45-minute TV documentary on a group of English 7-year-olds back in 1964, but has subsequently turned into a gargantuan life-long project of director Michael Apted to document this initial group of children, as they progress through life. A month after having viewed the entire series of 7 films, I still find myself thinking about the people in these films on a daily basis, and really cannot recommend the entire series highly enough. In the context of this thread, 1970 was the year when Apted really initiated the project with the film 7 Plus 7. As a newcomer in the TV/film industry at the age of 21 or 22, he had become involved in the initial documentary as a researcher, then seven years later, having become a director in the meantime, he decided to go back and revisit the fourteen children of the original program, now aged 14. Apted presents the children with much the same questions as in the original program, and then proceeds to cut back and forth between footage from the original program and the present. At 14, the children are at the threshold to the adult world, and many views that they were parroting at age 7 have either crystallized into strong, precocious convictions, or, begun to become questioned. With some, there is still a strong sense of innocence to the world, with others, the realities of adulthood have already begun to take hold. It is fascinating viewing, and it only becomes more powerful with each successive film in the series.

Werner Herzog’s three films from 1970/71 – Fata Morgana, Handicapped Future and Land of Silence and Darkness also fall into the documentary category, although for the first of these the fit is rather uncomfortable. Fata Morgana is for much of its duration utterly spellbinding, even though I did have the odd feeling that it represented something like Herzog’s “best of b-roll” in terms of the images used in the film. The majority of the film is made up of footage shot in Africa, and set to the narration of some kind of religious origins text. In the later stages, Herzog meets several truly odd Western characters, who have permanently or temporarily made their home in the forbidding landscapes of the film. I was not sure quite what to make of this shift in the film’s tone, and I admit it had me shifting somewhat in my seat towards the end. Handicapped Future and Land of Silence and Darkness are shorter pieces, and in the traditional vein of social issue documentaries. They are concerned with people with physical disabilities and deaf-blind people, respectively. Both films represent a plea to better the conditions for society’s outsiders, and both films are deeply humane and moving. There is a wonderful feeling in these films of Herzog’s closeness to and care for these people, who in many cases live quietly heroic existences in the shadows of the reality that most of us know.

As I inch my way through the first half of the decade, it is becoming clear that I will not make it far into the second half at all with the present deadline. I suppose it is completely out of the question to push this to the end of June...?
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Fat City (Huston; 1972)

A lean downbeat mini-masterpiece about people trying to get by day to day in Stockton, California. Hell of a slow burner. For my money, the most personal film that takes place in the world of boxing. Learning later on that Huston was once a boxer makes the personal characteristic of the film even more apparent. Yet it's not just about the tough world of amateur boxing. Stacy Keach plays a man who tries to get back on the road of success (rather just getting back on the road of a straight life) after detours. The mentor storyline with the two-lives (Keach-Jeff Bridges)-going-opposite-directions dynamic has been done many times, but with nuanced and rich characterization that doesn't matter.

Like many great films, Fat City is its milieu - working class, rundown buildings, small-town, bars, etc. Lensed by Conrad Hall. The R1 DVD is pan and scan, though, with a far from ideal transfer. Yet the glow of the boxing ring, sun in the fields, shadows and lights of the interiors still make quite an impression. The title of the Kristofferson song used "Help Me Make It Through the Night" could be the film's alternate title.
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#93 Post by domino harvey »

davidhare wrote:I personally think all of Chabrol's Audran period 70s movies should be included as a united oeuvre here
They're commonly called the "Helene Cycle," as that is the name of her character in almost every film. Of Chabrol's 70s films though, I think only Innocents With Dirty Hands and Blood Wedding will make my list. I'm tempted out of perversity to throw in Blood Relatives, just for Pleasance's segment-- certainly among the strangest ten minutes or so in any film I can think of.
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#94 Post by domino harvey »

I wasn't trying to be a jerk or anything. If you're interested, Guy Austin's book on Chabrol devotes a great chunk of pages exclusively to the exploring the films in the cycle. It's actually a really good book if anyone has enough interest in Chabrol-- It covers his career up to La Ceremonie, which is given an extensive look as a work of career culmination.
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#95 Post by Scharphedin2 »

Domino, could you provide a list of the films that are considered part of this "Helene" cycle. I imagine seeing these films as somehow unified might elevate the individual film(s), along the lines of what Colin described somewhere above.

Davidhare, I would be interested to know, what it is about La Rupture specifically that you find sublime. You have often made me look at films in a different light, and as I struggled somewhat with this film on a first viewing, your comments would be helpful to me.
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#96 Post by domino harvey »

Scharphedin2 wrote:Domino, could you provide a list of the films that are considered part of this "Helene" cycle. I imagine seeing these films as somehow unified might elevate the individual film(s), along the lines of what Colin described somewhere above.
Six films, comprised of:
Les Biches
Le Femme infidele
Que la bete meure
Le Boucher
La Rupture
Juste avant la nuit
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davidhare wrote:Domino I saw most (if not quite all) of these movies as they were first released, and as Audran's place in Chabrol's cinema literally rolled out before us over a bit less than a decade, I and others I knew always referred to them as his Audran cycle. "Helene" sounds very much like Guy Austin's personal invention.
I'd better pick up Juste avant la Nuit now! I would agree about perhaps thinking of the themes grouped together more under Audran than her character's name until there is confirmation one way or another. Though it is another interesting way of looking at that group of films there could also just be the possibility that Chabrol wasn't that interested in thinking up different character names!

Though there's also the interesting way that the male lead character's name is either Paul or Charles (or when there are two major male characters such as in The Beast Must Die, La Rupture or La Femme infidèle they each take one of these names) so the male character's names are similarly carried over from film to film. Perhaps there is a rough division between the more sympathetic 'Pauls' and the more brutish 'Charles'? Though even that division is blurred by Popaul in Le Boucher being a sympathetic killer and the horrific act the husband Charles commits at the beginning of La Rupture being softened by the way Hélène, doesn't absolve him of his action, but empathises with his mental state in the way that his superficially protective parents do not at all (they seem to move all their anger about Charles onto Hélène, as if she was the corrupting influence on him).

And this is before we try to understand the naming of the enigmatic 'Why' in Les Biches!

It feels a bit like foregrounding the stock company behind the scenes aspect of the films, familiar faces with familiar names taking on different roles but which have enough similarities that they cause interesting frissons of connection to the other films.
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#98 Post by domino harvey »

davidhare wrote: "Helene" sounds very much like Guy Austin's personal invention.
It's entirely possible that people only started referring to it as such after the publication of Austin's book!
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#99 Post by denti alligator »

Two movies that will probably place on my list:

Being There (Hal Ashby). Where's the love for this odd-ball film? I've seen lots of love for Ashby here, but no one seems to have mentioned this film. I was deeply moved by this film, though I don't think that's necessarily the reaction Ashby intended. On one level it's a political satire. In fact, it only really works this way, because you can't otherwise believe that the elite of Washington whom Peter Seller's character so beguiles would really be that stupid. But I wasn't laughing all that much. Seller's performance was not comedic. His character is tragic. And maybe it's precisely because the film doesn't completely allow for that tragedy that it is so utterly strange and, ultimately, awe-inspiring as a work of cinema. Does that make sense?

Moses und Aron (Straub-Huillet). Film-versions of opera can throw out awkward staging and because they're dubbed make use of a whole different visual vocabulary not possible on the stage of an opera house. Straub and Huillet, however, do not embrace this freedom, opting instead to film not a staged version of Schoenberg's opera, but a performance that feels staged. And because of the importance of performance for the story, it works marvelously. Of course the music almost steals the show, but the minimalist, austere camerawork is perfectly suited. I find it rivetting.
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#100 Post by HerrSchreck »

Not alone in your love for Being There, or Seller's magesterial performance as Chauncey "Gardner". Totally captures the essence of the novel... I recall as a kid my mom took me to see the film on it's first release, and I loved it (and was rolling laughing at the outtakes at the end of the film during the credits... a schtick thats been endlessly vamped on since).

("Vamped". Yes I am psyched for the dreyer dvd.)

Back to being there, another merit is a great latter-day performance from good old Melvin Douglas... Mr. Penderel from Whale's The Old Dark House, and Herr Brettschnieder from Vampire Bat.

(Not to mention better known stuff like Ninotchka, Counselor At Law, Captains Courageous, working steadily, actually straight thru from 1931 to the early 80's).
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