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Cinephrenic · #576 Post by **Cinephrenic** » Fri May 25, 2007 7:36 pm

The absence of Rivette on R1 DVD is a crime.

justeleblanc · #577 Post by **justeleblanc** » Fri May 25, 2007 7:43 pm

Cinephrenic wrote:The absence of Rivette on R1 DVD is a crime.

Indeed.

Scharphedin2 · #578 Post by **Scharphedin2** » Fri May 25, 2007 7:45 pm

arsonfilms wrote:
Cinephrenic wrote:400-401 will be Breathless and Pierrot le fou. Both 2-Disc. That's it!
Or Berlin Alexanderplatz and the MAKING OF Berlin Alexanderplatz!!!

(Please don't hit me)

Nah, they had forgotten to allow a spine number for Jutzi's 1930 version of the film, and therefore had to make room for it by moving the Saura picture.

So, Fassbinder's Berlin, Alexanderplatz (Fassbinder, 1980) is of course #400, like the Dcuk said, and #401 is Berlin, Alexanderplatz (Phil Jutzi, 1930).

arsonfilms · #579 Post by **arsonfilms** » Fri May 25, 2007 8:27 pm

You know, I had actually thought about making the joke about the 1930 version, but I thought I remembered hearing something about it being ruled out somehow. The making of was confirmed somehere or another, but since its only 45 minutes long I doubt it'd get a spine number.

justeleblanc · #580 Post by **justeleblanc** » Fri May 25, 2007 8:41 pm

Are you sure Berlin is coming out this soon? Isn't it touring the country a bit before the DVD release?

#581 Post by **domino harvey** » Fri May 25, 2007 8:47 pm

it's almost surely two Godard films, tho not Pierrot le fou. see 400 thread for more musings on my theory

justeleblanc · #582 Post by **justeleblanc** » Fri May 25, 2007 9:08 pm

domino harvey wrote:it's almost surely two Godard films, tho not Pierrot le fou. see 400 thread for more musings on my theory

My Life to Live wouldn't be out of the question.

Though, what about another premiere work from a New Waver, like Paris Belongs to Us or Le Beau Serge. Then an Eclipse set to go with it.

eez28 · #583 Post by **eez28** » Fri May 25, 2007 9:09 pm

I think Drunken Angel has got to be in one of those two spots.

Cinephrenic · #584 Post by **Cinephrenic** » Fri May 25, 2007 9:14 pm

Vivre se vie is a possibility. We are still yet to recieve one Bergman, Renoir, Kurosawa, Ozu this year. Those probably being The Magician or Monika, The Crime of Monseiur Lange, and Drunken Angel, and An Autumn Afternoon or I Was Born, But....

patrick · #585 Post by **patrick** » Sat May 26, 2007 12:16 am

I think Criterion will hit us up with a double dip/renumbering of "The 400 Blows: The Fun & Flirty Edition."

justeleblanc · #586 Post by **justeleblanc** » Sat May 26, 2007 1:24 am

patrick wrote:I think Criterion will hit us up with a double dip/renumbering of "The 400 Blows: The Fun & Flirty Edition."

Hiroshima mon amour: It's Da Bomb! Edition

#587 Post by **domino harvey** » Sat May 26, 2007 3:10 am

oh man, now they're gonna lock this thread too.

#588 Post by **domino harvey** » Sat May 26, 2007 3:12 am

justeleblanc wrote:
domino harvey wrote:it's almost surely two Godard films, tho not Pierrot le fou. see 400 thread for more musings on my theory
My Life to Live wouldn't be out of the question.

Though, what about another premiere work from a New Waver, like Paris Belongs to Us or Le Beau Serge. Then an Eclipse set to go with it.

wouldn't work with the theory that 400 and 401 are two separate films from one director, which I'm still operating under.

and presuming that it's Godard, with Breathless goes I would guess 2 or 3 Things seems the best bet since the screenings of the new print were late last year, but I'll welcome a third Vivre se vie DVD into my collection any day.

justeleblanc · #589 Post by **justeleblanc** » Sat May 26, 2007 4:19 am

Too soon for 2 or 3 things, its still playing in theaters across the country.

If it's Breathless, I really don't think Pierrot is a bad guess at all. They are bookends to his first ten Nouvelle Vague period, before he started changing his swing with Masc Fem. Plus, BAM are showing them together.

But really, who's to say 400 and 401 aren't two Pabst films. We're so dead set on Breathless we forgot that earlier this year Criterion announced Mack the Knife.

#590 Post by **domino harvey** » Sat May 26, 2007 4:36 am

I agree, it could be any director, I'm just guessing Godard.
Isn't the Janus print of Pierrot le fou just going out to theatres tho? I would love to see a left-field Godard title be that 401, a title we didn't even realize was in play.

also how great would a double Godard release, plus Eclipse New Wave set, plus the promised Gorin Criterion boxed set in the same month be

tavernier · #591 Post by **tavernier** » Sat May 26, 2007 5:33 am

Pierrot's playing Brooklyn mid-June....I don't know of any other scheduled showings.

Morbii · #592 Post by **Morbii** » Sat May 26, 2007 8:45 am

Maybe it's Ace Ventura and Ace Ventura: When Nature Calls?

Lino · #593 Post by **Lino** » Sat May 26, 2007 2:07 pm

arsonfilms wrote:
Cinephrenic wrote:400-401 will be Breathless and Pierrot le fou. Both 2-Disc. That's it!
Or Berlin Alexanderplatz and the MAKING OF Berlin Alexanderplatz!!!

(Please don't hit me)

Nah, 400 will be Berlin Alexanderplatz and 401 will be Lili Marleen.

Greathinker · #594 Post by **Greathinker** » Sat May 26, 2007 3:11 pm

For the knowledgeable, is the possibility there that criterion will pick up Pasolini's The Gospel According to St. Matthew? The transfer on the carlotta edition looks pristine, but no english subs.

jbeall · #595 Post by **jbeall** » Sat May 26, 2007 3:42 pm

Hilarity aside,

the fact that they kept 400 open and then re-opened #401 definitely suggests that it'll be two films by the same director, and given how central Godard has been to the criterion collection--they've released the R1 of a lot of Godard's films over the years, no?--I'd agree that it's probably Breathless andPierrot le Fou.

I imagine that the films would be available separately, and I certainly hope so. I've seen Breathless a couple of times, but I've spent enough on criterions this year already, and am in no hurry to buy this film until I have a bit more disposable income. Along these lines, what I hope DOESN'T happen is a box of the two films with the extras on a separate disc, a la the Malle boxset (did the disc of Malle extras have its own spine #? If so, I guess I don't have to worry...)

CSM126 · #596 Post by **CSM126** » Sat May 26, 2007 3:46 pm

jbeall wrote:Hilarity aside, the fact that they kept 400 open and then re-opened #401 definitely suggests that it'll be two films by the same director, and given how central Godard has been to the criterion collection--they've released the R1 of a lot of Godard's films over the years, no?--I'd agree that it's probably Breathless andPierrot le Fou.

I imagine that the films would be available separately, and I certainly hope so. I've seen Breathless a couple of times, but I've spent enough on criterions this year already, and am in no hurry to buy this film until I have a bit more disposable income. Along these lines, what I hope DOESN'T happen is a box of the two films with the extras on a separate disc, a la the Malle boxset (did the disc of Malle extras have its own spine #? If so, I guess I don't have to worry...)

No, the Malle supplements did not get their own spine number. They're not available separately either.

arsonfilms · #597 Post by **arsonfilms** » Sat May 26, 2007 4:23 pm

CSM126 wrote:
jbeall wrote:Hilarity aside, the fact that they kept 400 open and then re-opened #401 definitely suggests that it'll be two films by the same director, and given how central Godard has been to the criterion collection--they've released the R1 of a lot of Godard's films over the years, no?--I'd agree that it's probably Breathless andPierrot le Fou.

I imagine that the films would be available separately, and I certainly hope so. I've seen Breathless a couple of times, but I've spent enough on criterions this year already, and am in no hurry to buy this film until I have a bit more disposable income. Along these lines, what I hope DOESN'T happen is a box of the two films with the extras on a separate disc, a la the Malle boxset (did the disc of Malle extras have its own spine #? If so, I guess I don't have to worry...)
No, the Malle supplements did not get their own spine number. They're not available separately either.

I wouldn't worry either way. The only times Criterion has offered a bonus disc for a set of more than one film has been when they've done a box of three or four films, never only two (Malle, Fassbinder, Truffaut).

I'm not sold on the idea that 401 was changed to have two standalone titles by the same director. They've ignored this "convenience" in the past, most recently with the Dassin's (380 & 383). It would make the most sense for it to be a box set for a single film, with a supplemental film getting its own spine like My Metier, A Constant Forge or Ingmar Bergman Makes a Movie. I would also caution against the assumption that 400 is Breathless, given that there has never been only a one month gap between a newsletter confirmation and an announcement.

justeleblanc · #598 Post by **justeleblanc** » Sat May 26, 2007 5:34 pm

arsonfilms wrote:I would also caution against the assumption that 400 is Breathless, given that there has never been only a one month gap between a newsletter confirmation and an announcement.

Agreed, though if I remember correctly both Kicking and Screaming and Dazed and Confused might have been pretty darn close to their newsletter teasers.

Cinephrenic · #599 Post by **Cinephrenic** » Sat May 26, 2007 5:56 pm

It's usually 1-3 months after announcement on newsletter.

Awesome Welles · #600 Post by **Awesome Welles** » Sun May 27, 2007 3:47 pm

I don't know if this is the best place to ask but does anyone know whether Gate of Hell (Teinosuke Kinugasa, 1953) has been mentioned as a future release or if anyone has any information, the VHS details say that it is a Homevision release from a Janus films print. Surely Criterion can't pass up this Cannes and Oscar winner?

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