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Posted: **Thu Sep 15, 2022 9:47 pm**

MichaelB wrote: ↑
Tue Sep 13, 2022 6:28 am
So now that Godard's gone, is there anyone left alive who first made an indelible mark on cinema in the 1950s?

It just occurred to me that Peter Watkins just about qualifies, having made his first short films in the 1950s,
including The Diary of an Unknown Soldier in 1959.

Posted: **Thu Sep 15, 2022 10:25 pm**

Jerry Schatzberg is more than old enough to have made films in the 50s, but of course he waited until 1970 to direct his first project

Posted: **Fri Sep 16, 2022 12:17 am**

It'll be interesting to see if the Academy produces a special memorial or just tacks him onto their yearly remembrance at the Oscars. I kind of think he needs something special from them

Posted: **Fri Sep 16, 2022 1:05 am**

Even if they give him the special treatment like Kubrick, I can't imagine they'll honestly reckon with the range and depth of his work. At best it'll be a cutesy "pop art" montage ala Wes Anderson.

What they should do is cancel the whole program and just show the entirety of "Histoire(s) du cinéma"

Posted: **Fri Sep 16, 2022 5:25 am**

Quote Perf Unquote wrote: Fri Sep 16, 2022 1:05 am Even if they give him the special treatment like Kubrick, I can't imagine they'll honestly reckon with the range and depth of his work. At best it'll be a cutesy "pop art" montage ala Wes Anderson.

What they should do is cancel the whole program and just show the entirety of "Histoire(s) du cinéma"

I remember their very elaborate tribute to John Hughes, and I don’t think they’ll afford the same treatment to Godard, especially considering how he disliked the AMPAS and essentially rejected Hollywood’s attempts to court him at various times

Posted: **Sat Sep 17, 2022 7:51 pm**

WTF?? I just saw this.

Posted: **Sat Sep 17, 2022 7:56 pm**

Sorry. I'm in shock. I guess the Queen overshadowed this. I completely missed it. I love the man's work.

At the risk of sounding crass at this early stage, will one or both of the last things he was apparently working on see the light of day?

I shall watch The Image Book tonight.

Posted: **Sat Sep 17, 2022 11:08 pm**

Before last week, I'd've thought Godard's death would be overshadowed by the Queen's and discussed predominately in idiosyncratic spaces. However, I've been surprised by how many people I know (who don't even get within throwing distance of the arts) have been initiating conversations with all this knowledge about this guy named Godard that they just heard of and everyone's apparently talking about in live media. It seems that he's being actively discussed in a range of podcasts and news articles and radio shows as a pioneer, which he is, but I've heard more people engaging in water-cooler talk about Godard than the Queen lately and it's very heartening.

Posted: **Sun Sep 18, 2022 12:54 am**

therewillbeblus wrote: Sat Sep 17, 2022 11:08 pm Before last week, I'd've thought Godard's death would be overshadowed by the Queen's and discussed predominately in idiosyncratic spaces. However, I've been surprised by how many people I know (who don't even get within throwing distance of the arts) have been initiating conversations with all this knowledge about this guy named Godard that they just heard of and everyone's apparently talking about in live media. It seems that he's being actively discussed in a range of podcasts and news articles and radio shows as a pioneer, which he is, but I've heard more people engaging in water-cooler talk about Godard than the Queen lately and it's very heartening.

I'm guessing your water cooler isn't in the locker room in a steel mill in Missouri or Ohio, or a Wal-Mart break room in Wyoming, or a bindery in New Mexico, or the concessions stand at Wrigley Field, because 99% of this country's population has no idea who Godard is and doesn't give fuck one about him, especially since he has a girl's first name.

I wish it weren't true.

Posted: **Sun Sep 18, 2022 1:10 am**

Um, I just thought it was cool that people who don’t love film we’re starting conversations about him, that’s all

Posted: **Sun Sep 18, 2022 1:15 am**

Well, maybe you’d better climb down from your ivory tower and go have a conversation with a hardworking Wyoming ranch hand, who will tell you that Real Americans are still too busy grieving Tarkovsky to worry about some three-named Frenchman.

Posted: **Sun Sep 18, 2022 1:20 am**

Maybe, but I’m trying to avoid uncomfortable conversations about The Power of the Dog

Posted: **Sun Sep 18, 2022 1:56 am**

Show me one girl named "Jean-Luc"

Posted: **Sun Sep 18, 2022 10:23 pm**

[never mind, i don’t want to get involved]

Posted: **Sun Sep 18, 2022 10:33 pm**

FrauBlucher wrote: Fri Sep 16, 2022 12:17 am It'll be interesting to see if the Academy produces a special memorial or just tacks him onto their yearly remembrance at the Oscars. I kind of think he needs something special from them

Sorry - I'm honestly not trying to be a Dick, but this made me laugh out loud.

One reason I love Godard is/was his enduring contempt (see what I did there?) for Hollywood / The Academy.

Posted: **Mon Sep 19, 2022 1:02 am**

No insult taken. There is a certain irony in a possible tribute. I would've put a cap C there.

Posted: **Mon Sep 19, 2022 4:05 am**

DarkImbecile wrote: Sun Sep 18, 2022 1:15 am Well, maybe you’d better climb down from your ivory tower and go have a conversation with a hardworking Wyoming ranch hand, who will tell you that Real Americans are still too busy grieving Tarkovsky to worry about some three-named Frenchman.

Personally, I often have to avoid getting into fistfights at midwest sports bars when talk turns to the virtues of Positif vs Cahiers du cinéma. And when the Cottafavi retrospective rolls into town, you know you'd better stay indoors with the curtains drawn...

Posted: **Tue Sep 20, 2022 4:00 pm**

domino harvey wrote: Sun Sep 18, 2022 1:56 am Show me one girl named "Jean-Luc"

In today's sexual/gender/identity culture? Really?

I Live in a west coast collage town where I know no less than two people who literally and legally identify as "dragons."

Posted: **Tue Sep 20, 2022 4:03 pm**

DarkImbecile wrote: Sun Sep 18, 2022 1:15 am Well, maybe you’d better climb down from your ivory tower and go have a conversation with a hardworking Wyoming ranch hand, who will tell you that Real Americans are still too busy grieving Tarkovsky to worry about some three-named Frenchman.

I worked in a print shop for five years with a bunch of burly ass uneducated Russian boomers, and they fucking loved Tarkovsky and we talked about him all the time. No Frenchies at that shop, though, so no Godard discussion.

Posted: **Tue Sep 20, 2022 4:16 pm**

Posted: **Tue Sep 20, 2022 5:55 pm**

HPD is lies 24 times a second

Posted: **Tue Sep 20, 2022 6:06 pm**

In any case, I’d wager enough people have seen Les Miserables by this point to know that “Jean” isn’t always pronounced like Levi’s.

Posted: **Tue Sep 20, 2022 7:36 pm**

Jean-Luc Picard

Posted: **Tue Sep 20, 2022 8:05 pm**

Nice try, but uneducated poor people don't watch Star Trek

Posted: **Tue Sep 20, 2022 9:51 pm**

domino harvey wrote: Tue Sep 20, 2022 4:16 pm

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