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Re: Passages
Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 1:55 pm
by Robert de la Cheyniest
Honestly between this, Chris Marker, and Alex Cockburn in the span of about two weeks...
I'm seriously depressed
Re: Passages
Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 2:56 pm
by Mr Sausage
That one hit me like a truck. In some sense I knew Vidal was very old, but I never gave any thought to finding his obituary link in this thread. It shouldn't have been a surprise, but it was.
He was a fantastically amusing and entertaining and wise writer. I still periodically reread his essay on Midge Decter and her views of homosexuality, still one of my personal favourite literary eviscerations (along with Nabokov's destruction of Edmund Wilson over the latter's Eugene Onegin review). I have not read nearly enough of his novels, only one in fact, Creation, which I nevertheless thought marvelous and more fleet than large historical novels tend to be. But his gigantic essay collection, United States, is rarely in place long enough to gather dust. Let's hope the same for his reputation in the following decades.
Re: Passages
Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 4:06 pm
by bamwc2
Sadly there had been hints of Vidal's deteriorating health in the last year, beginning with appearances in a wheelchair and ending with a total cessation of public sightings. I'm a bit embarrassed to admit it, but I've never read any of his novels, but I do cherish some of his essays. In my more cynical moments, I wholeheartedly agree with his idea of barring those that belief in an afterlife from holding public office.
Re: Passages
Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2012 3:09 am
by Polybius
Mr Sausage wrote: But his gigantic essay collection, United States, is rarely in place long enough to gather dust.
That is an amazing book. Worth it's considerable weight in the precious metal of your choice.
Since I seem to be the leader in Vidal novels read, I will completely and unhesitatingly recommend any of his
American Chronicles, especially
Burr, Lincoln, 1876 and
Empire and also the wonderful
Julian, his novel about the 4th century Roman emperor who attempted to restore the pre-Christian gods to the place they held before Constantine.
Re: Passages
Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 8:58 pm
by Foam
Anyone care to recommend some choice Vidal essays?
Re: Passages
Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 9:08 pm
by Mr Sausage
Here are some that I particularly enjoyed:
Norman Mailer's Self Advertisements
The Top Ten Best Sellers
French Letters: Theories of the New Novel
The Sexus of Henry Miller
Calvino's Novels
Sex and the Law
Sex is Politics
Pornography
Pink Triangle and Yellow Star (Vidal at his witty, bitchy best)
The Birds and the Bees
Monotheism and its Discontents
West Point
Others could be added, but these are the ones that remain the most vivid for me.
Re: Passages
Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 9:09 pm
by tavernier
Re: Passages
Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2012 9:50 am
by Polybius
Mr Sausage wrote:
Pink Triangle and Yellow Star (Vidal at his witty, bitchy best)
"What are you, in
real estate?"
Re: Passages
Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 8:09 am
by antnield
Re: Passages
Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 9:11 am
by MichaelB
It's almost impossible to exaggerate the impact Hughes' TV series (and book)
The Shock of the New had on me - I saw/read it circa 1983/4, i.e. precisely the point when Channel Four first launched and was cramming its schedules with documentaries about the avant-garde in all its manifestations.
I was instinctively drawn to this stuff anyway, but Hughes did a better job of clarifying and contextualising it for me than anyone else - like Pauline Kael (someone I must have discovered at about the same time), I often disagreed with him and sometimes profoundly, but his passionate enthusiasm for his subject and his fearlessness in slaughtering sacred cows was exhilarating.
In fact, I think I'm going to watch his programme on Gaudà (an extra on the Criterion DVD) right now as a tribute.
Re: Passages
Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 9:28 am
by Caligula
Ruggiero Ricci, violin virtuoso. I struggle to get my head around the idea that he was still performing Paganini's Caprices whilst 80 years old.
Re: Passages
Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 1:49 pm
by tavernier
Re: Passages
Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 1:51 pm
by antnield
Re: Passages
Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 1:54 pm
by tavernier
In addition to
The Shock of the New, his books
Barcelona, Culture of Complaint, American Visions and
Goya are also essential reads. I haven't gotten to his new book on Rome yet.
Re: Passages
Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 2:17 pm
by MichaelB
tavernier wrote:
In addition to
The Shock of the New, his books
Barcelona, Culture of Complaint, American Visions and
Goya are also essential reads. I haven't gotten to his new book on Rome yet.
And
The Fatal Shore, although that's admittedly the only book on Australian history I've read so I'm not sure how it stacks up against the others.
Re: Passages
Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 2:40 pm
by flyonthewall2983
Re: Passages
Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 2:58 pm
by The Narrator Returns
That's too bad. I loved his score for The Informant!.
Re: Passages
Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 3:16 pm
by Matt
When I was about 10 or so, I had an irrational but intense dislike for Marvin Hamlisch. I think it had something to do with his appearance on
The Great Space Coaster. He wrote
a lot of really corny music, but his kind of film music is really missed these days (it's all so damn serious and somber). And he was an EGOT.
Re: Passages
Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 5:02 pm
by Jean-Luc Garbo
MichaelB wrote:tavernier wrote:In addition to
The Shock of the New, his books
Barcelona, Culture of Complaint, American Visions and
Goya are also essential reads. I haven't gotten to his new book on Rome yet.
And
The Fatal Shore, although that's admittedly the only book on Australian history I've read so I'm not sure how it stacks up against the others.
I learned a lot from his art criticism, but
The Fatal Shore remains my favorite book of his. Utterly compelling and a fascinating story. He'll be sorely missed.
Re: Passages
Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 5:56 pm
by knives
The Narrator Returns wrote:That's too bad. I loved his score for The Informant!.
Yeah, he managed a swan song of quality few ever do.
Re: Passages
Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 7:47 pm
by MichaelB
Re: Passages
Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 11:42 am
by CSM126
Chavela Vargas, Mexican folksinger whose songs appear in many an Almodovar film and who also appeared in
Frida.
Re: Passages
Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2012 6:31 pm
by GaryC
GaryC wrote:Mary Tamm, at one point tipped for major stardom due to her role in
The Odessa File but probably best remembered in a long career as a one-season Doctor Who companion.
Tragically followed by her husband Marcus Ringrose, of a suspected heart attack just hours after giving her eulogy -
here.
Re: Passages
Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2012 6:38 pm
by Perkins Cobb
Re: Passages
Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2012 11:48 pm
by George Kaplan