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Not a single vote for Out of Sight (where's Martha when you need her?), Groundhog Day, or A Simple Plan? Damn, that's cold. Even though I don't remember it as well as I should, how about Jesus' Son?

I had Groundhog Day at 52 and Out of Sight at 54. So yes, someone please vote for them.

Out of Sight and Groundhog Day are on mine. Yay, comedies!

I also wouldn't mind pushing Election, the best Alexander Payne movie...

backstreetsbackalright wrote:

zedz wrote:The two music videos on my list at the moment (things change fast around here) are The Chemical Brothers' "Let Forever Be" (Michel Gondry) and Brian Eno's "Ali Click" (Lefdup / Flash / Eno). I guess I must have been frightened by a kaleidoscope as a small child.

I'm not familiar with the Eno video, but I love Eno. What's it like?

Kaleidoscopic and abstract, with unrecognisable moving image (is that the Sydney Opera House?) broken into pixillated fragments and reflected obsessively back upon themselves. A faxed and smeared Brian pops up from time to time to shout the minimal lyrics, but that's neither here nor there: what's most impressive about the video is how perfectly the pixellated abstraction is co-ordinated to match the music. To my mind, it's one of the best music / imagery blends since the heady prime of Fischinger, and that's why it made my list.

(Hey! there's a fragment of the video here, though it's of one of the less eventful passages - i.e. some of the lyrics are included. Should give you a taste. I've just checked, and the recent Japanese reissue of Nerve Net includes the entire video - does anybody know of a more accessible source?)

While we're on the subject, I've just remembered being very impressed by the video for "This Is Hardcore" by Pulp, but am a bit sketchy on the details.

And as for Wallace and Gromit, I consider The Wrong Trousers just about perfect, and it will figure prominently on my list.

No love for Commingled Containers?

solaris72 wrote:No love for Commingled Containers?

Black Ice

And as for Wallace and Gromit, I consider The Wrong Trousers just about perfect, and it will figure prominently on my list.

Hear! Hear!

Or is that: here! here! ?

A Close Shave is pretty brilliant, too!

One more week to go from today for the 90s list.

Up to now: myself, kieslowski_67, lord_clyde, yoshimori, pauling, flyonthewall2983, jorencain, scotty, Annie Mall, henryfoool, Andre Jurieu, colinr0380

zedz wrote:The two music videos on my list at the moment (things change fast around here) are The Chemical Brothers' "Let Forever Be" (Michel Gondry) and Brian Eno's "Ali Click" (Lefdup / Flash / Eno). I guess I must have been frightened by a kaleidoscope as a small child.

Things do change. I just remembered Gondry's trippy, palindromic video for Cibo Matto's "Sugar Water" - an amazing filmmaking feat and probably his best work of the 90s. Maybe it was rorschach tests rather than kaleidoscopes.

This is likely a no-no, but what film does anyone think will top the 90's list? My money is on Pulp Fiction, or hopefully the movie I chose to be #1 lol.

I'll just throw out right now that my no. 1 will be Institute Benjamenta. Am I alone in thinking this one of the finest films ever?

Before anyone asks about the 2000s lists, I've been thinking about it and it will be best if we all stick to the same format to avoid any further confusion: pick the top 50 films and the top 100 films will make the final list as usual.

You have 4 more days to submit your 1990s list. How time flies!

Up to now:

myself, kieslowski_67, lord_clyde, yoshimori, pauling, flyonthewall2983, jorencain, scotty, Annie Mall, henryfoool, Andre Jurieu, colinr0380, dekadetia, Arcadean, Gregory, ola t, clutch44

Have we had any previous ruling on versions of films?

Do votes for Apocalypse Now Redux count for Apocalypse Now? How about Bad Santa and Badder Santa? How about the extended versions of The Lord of the Rings movies? (or even the shortened theatrical version of The Barbarian Invasions?)

I think this came up when we were doing the silent era, and what it boiled down to is that since we can never be sure anyway if we've all seen the same versions or not (which version of Metropolis did I see about ten years ago? I've no idea!), you just vote for the film, not for a specific version -- even when radically different versions exist.

There's probably an assumption that people are voting for the most complete / most clearly "director-approved" / most recently restored version of a film (e.g. the TV Fanny & Alexander), so unless somebody feels very strongly that they don't want their vote to go to the 'wrong' version, then we should just go with the flow. Michael will know whether people were specifically voting for one version or another of Apocalypse Now or Bladerunner. Of course this will become much more complicated as we enter the era of increasingly capricious alternative cuts in the noughties.

The film that tops my 90s list I've only ever seen in the shorter of its two director-approved incarnations. In that form it's my favourite film of all time, so I'm not sure that I need the extra footage.

Sounds like a good plan. I mention The Barbarian Invasions because the shorter version (a favourite of the 00s) is a deeply felt study of death with touching moments of comedy, while the longer version is a comedy with forced moments of seriousness...

At least, that is my opinion.

ola t wrote:I think this came up when we were doing the silent era, and what it boiled down to is that since we can never be sure anyway if we've all seen the same versions or not (which version of Metropolis did I see about ten years ago? I've no idea!), you just vote for the film, not for a specific version -- even when radically different versions exist.

I'm with ola t on this. It would make my work a lot easier.

It's come to my attention that I'm the only person so far to have voted for Satantango. What's up with that? From previous postings on the forum I thought there were a lot of fellow fans around here. Don't tell me we're going to end up with another safe, US-centric top ten.

You can consider this an official call to arms for all the cat-torturing, owl-staring plum brandy tipplers out there.

zedz wrote:It's come to my attention that I'm the only person so far to have voted for Satantango. What's up with that? From previous postings on the forum I thought there were a lot of fellow fans around here. Don't tell me we're going to end up with another safe, US-centric top ten.

You cansider this an official call to arms for all the cat-torturing, owl-staring plum brandy tipplers out there.

It shows reasonably on my list (which I'll send in tomorrow). But yeah, people treat it like it's the Holy Grail, and then...

zedz wrote:It's come to my attention that I'm the only person so far to have voted for Satantango. What's up with that?

Could it be the relative unavailability of the film? It seems that part of the joke/lore of Satantango is that everyone believes this to be a great film even though very few have actually seen it. My guess is that anyone who managed to put their hands on this one, and sit through all 7.5 hours of it, would put it on their list for the bragging rights alone. I know I would.

Just making sure.

Up to now:

myself, kieslowski_67, lord_clyde, yoshimori, pauling, flyonthewall2983, jorencain, scotty, Annie Mall, henryfoool, Andre Jurieu, colinr0380, dekadetia, Arcadean, Gregory, ola t, clutch44, Penny Dreadful, kambei, souvenir, zedz

Tomorrow is the last day to submit your 90s list.

Yeah, Colin's post in the Armageddon thread made me realize I totally forgot to vote for The Rock on my 90s list.

Andre, it's not too late to change your list. It wouldn't make much difference because no one has voted for The Rock so far and the deadline is tomorrow.

Michael wrote:Andre, it's not too late to change your list. It wouldn't make much difference because no one has voted for The Rock so far and the deadline is tomorrow.

Yeah, that's why I'm probably not going to bother. It wouldn't rank very high, so its point total wouldn't even make a difference. Besides, it's just a list.