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Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 8:27 am
by zedz
[quote3b="Kinsayder"]Presumably this is an NTSC edition of the
Retour de flamme PAL discs?[/quote3b]
I don't think so: there's only three discs, and the material is supposedly sourced from the Blackhawk Films library.
Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 9:40 am
by Cinetwist
[quote16="zedz"][quote16="Kinsayder"]Presumably this is an NTSC edition of the
Retour de flamme PAL discs?[/quote16]
I don't think so: there's only three discs, and the material is supposedly sourced from the Blackhawk Films library.[/quote16]
I could be wrong but I think it's the same, or similar material. I remember reading that Retour de Flamme is an annual festival held in Paris of recent nitrate discoveries. And I think it has a relationship with Serge Bromberg and Lobster Films who Flicker Alley has a relationship with. Just as Discovering Cinema already had a release (get the dvd it's fantastic).
Oh and I just noticed
a new mouth watering addition to the site. If that comes off, it might be my favourite dvd ever....
Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 4:47 pm
by tryavna
[quote05="djali999"]So the other day my mate and I saw [i05]Wings[/i05] for the first time and I was very impressed - beautifully shot film, and the flying material appears to have been done for real (?).
I doubt there's a DVD or that there will be, but I was curious if Paramount still owned this title? It's a Paramount film and the VHS we watched with organ score by Gaylord Carter was released by them, but the video is dated 1989 and almost any exchange of rights is possible by now. If anybody knows if Paramount still has it then I was going to mail Criterion and suggest it as a possible license now that the two companies have an amicable relationship![/quote05]
TCM is scheduled to show it next month during their 31 Days of Oscar marathon. That airing will probably be the best indication of the current rights, since they are obligated to show the current right holder's logo just before the film itself begins. It may also give an indication if there has been any restoration work done or a new score composed since the 1989 video incarnation.
Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 5:06 pm
by HerrSchreck
[quotefa="zedz"][quotefa="Kinsayder"]Presumably this is an NTSC edition of the
Retour de flamme PAL discs?[/quotefa]
I don't think so: there's only three discs, and the material is supposedly sourced from the Blackhawk Films library.[/quotefa]
I saw that release advertized on Amazon and it looks good indeed. I havent looked close enough at the thing to know either way, but--
On the Blackhawk thing-- that basically means "Shepard is involved", since he took over the Blackhawk lib from its previous owner... point is that Blackhawk logo appears on a lot of stuff he wasnt the source of... for example the Image release of The Man W The Movie Camera, which came from a nitrate out of the Eastman House.. or the old Shepard Image dvd of Nosferatu had Blackhawk on the back, and was sourced from German materials made available.
It can be deceptive.. a co licenses something, their logo appears (like Janus or Kino being the 'source' of something they merely have in their lib because the purchased distrib rights) making it look like they were the original primary source, whereas they're just passing it along. It's especially tricky w Blackhawk because it got its start AS a primary library of rare items no one else seemed to have.. stuff like Traffic In Souls, Regeneration "found in a box in a basement of a condemned building"-type stuff. [ifa]Flames [/ifa]is from Europe though, I believe.
Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 4:02 am
by unclehulot
[quote0c="HerrSchreck"]On the Blackhawk thing-- that basically means "Shepard is involved", since he took over the Blackhawk lib from its previous owner... point is that Blackhawk logo appears on a lot of stuff he wasnt the source of... for example the Image release of The Man W The Movie Camera, which came from a nitrate out of the Eastman House.. or the old Shepard Image dvd of Nosferatu had Blackhawk on the back, and was sourced from German materials made available.
It can be deceptive.. a co licenses something, their logo appears (like Janus or Kino being the 'source' of something they merely have in their lib because the purchased distrib rights) making it look like they were the original primary source, whereas they're just passing it along. It's especially tricky w Blackhawk because it got its start AS a primary library of rare items no one else seemed to have.. stuff like Traffic In Souls, Regeneration "found in a box in a basement of a condemned building"-type stuff. [i0c]Flames [/i0c]is from Europe though, I believe.[/quote0c]
I guess it can be complicated, but basically, David Shepard (Blackhawk) has a relationship with Lobster Films. I know some material Shepard issues here are provided by Lobster, but I can't speak for who does what on a particular project. Some projects are co-productions between the two. I imagine some of it is sharing the costs of digital video restoration.
Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 4:47 am
by Adam
[quote7d="Cinetwist"][quote7d="zedz"][quote7d="Kinsayder"]Presumably this is an NTSC edition of the
Retour de flamme PAL discs?[/quote7d]
I don't think so: there's only three discs, and the material is supposedly sourced from the Blackhawk Films library.[/quote7d]
I could be wrong but I think it's the same, or similar material. I remember reading that Retour de Flamme is an annual festival held in Paris of recent nitrate discoveries. And I think it has a relationship with Serge Bromberg and Lobster Films who Flicker Alley has a relationship with. Just as Discovering Cinema already had a release (get the dvd it's fantastic).
Oh and I just noticed
a new mouth watering addition to the site. If that comes off, it might be my favourite dvd ever....[/quote7d]
I actually have a copy of the Flicker Alley release - an advance copy from Jeff. It is a reduction of sorts from the 6 disc PAL version. I asked Jeff about that. Some pieces from the PAL version were on the previous Flicker Alley release "Discovering Cinema" and a few others are coming up on future Flicker Alley releases.
As he also explained it, Serge at Lobster (France's Leonard Maltin) bought some share of Blackhawk from David, but they work together in putting out various releases.
Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 9:17 pm
by tryavna
Adam, any idea on whether Flicker Alley did their own NTSC transfer or just ported over everything from PAL?
Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 6:26 am
by Adam
[quote91="tryavna"]Adam, any idea on whether Flicker Alley did their own NTSC transfer or just ported over everything from PAL?[/quote91]
Hi, I'll check.
Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 9:05 pm
by What A Disgrace
I'm surprised nobody on this thread has mentioned Lois Weber's The Blot (and if they did, I apologize for trying to add anything to the discussion); which I've just had the great privilege of watching last night. I'm in no position to call it a masterpiece, but its an utterly fascinating and intelligent domestic drama. Surprisingly subtle (while at times a little sappy; but not without some purpose)...and for a social drama of its kind made in Hollywood, neither too tragic nor saccharine. I really do wish there was more of this sort of competent and thoughtful "home drama" film in American cinema. The overall reception for the film on DVD review sites and IMDB are a little disheartening; I'm not the most perceptive of people, nor do I have an immense attention span, but where most reviewers found it fairly boring, I thought just the opposite, and I think people underestimate the worth of its "historical value" (Louis Calhern's near-debut in the film, for example). I couldn't help but be reminded of one of my favorite films, Bed and Sofa, which impressed me deeply when compared to the other Russian films made that year. The commentary on the Milestone disc is quite nice, too...at least, for one uninitiated in Weber's films and early American silent cinema in general. Maybe it spends more time talking about Weber, and female directors in general than the film, but for someone ignorant of her work, that should be no real loss.
I'd really like to see Milestone or Flicker Alley compile the rest of Weber's surviving work; she seems a very important and talented figure, and I'll be more likely to return to The Blot than any Griffith film in the near future.
Thief of Bagdad (1924)
Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 1:38 pm
by bollibasher
I was wondering if anyone knows if any of the German DVDs of
[idf]Thief of Bagdad[/idf] (1924) contain the 155-minute cut with Carl Davis' score (using themes from Rimsky-Korsakoff's Scherazade)? I have the old Thames Silents VHS and none of the English-language editions have this score on. The following is info I could find on the various releases:
[bdf]
KNM Home Entertainment edition[/bdf]
According to the KNM website this is a 124 min version, although in the list of bonuses it says it is the 152 min original version. Music unknown.
Distributor website
[bdf]
Best Entertainment edition[/bdf]
This appears to be the same as the KNM edition, with 124 minute listing but 152 mins listed in bonuses. Music unknown.
=774&cHash=d8258b5051]Distributor website
[bdf]
Star Media Entertainment edition[/bdf]
148 minute DVD. Is this the original cut without the 'introduction'? Or perhaps the 139 minute plus extras. Music unknown.
Distributor website
[bdf]
Absolut Medien/Arte edition[/bdf]
139 minute cut with Gaylord Carter accompaniment (same as Kino DVD). Lots of extras.
Distributor website
Chris xx
Mae Murray
Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 10:35 pm
by Richard72
Does anyone know which Mae Murray silents are lost? I have only seen two of her silent films and like to see more!
Re: Mae Murray
Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 1:50 am
by Rufus T. Firefly
[quote4c="Richard72"]Does anyone know which Mae Murray silents are lost? I have only seen two of her silent films and like to see more![/quote4c]
According to an old post on alt.movies.silent, the following Murray films survive:
A Mormon Maid (1917)
Princess Virtue (1917)-Incomplete
A Delicious Little Devil (1919)
The ABC of Love (1919)
Right to Love (1920)
Idols of Clay (1920)
Peacock Alley (1922)
Broadway Rose (1922)
Mademoiselle Midnight (1924)
The Merry Widow (1925)
Valencia (1926)
Altars of Desire (1927)
Show People (1928)-cameo
Peacock Alley (1930)
Bachelor Apartment (1931)
High Stakes (1931)
Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 3:37 pm
by Keaton
Hi,
The NFI released The Bridal Procession in Hardanger in its full 4 hour gory, with engl. sub's:
http://www.nfi.no/filmbutikken/tittel.html?id=14090
Great News!
Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 5:27 pm
by Tommaso
Glorious! As I have to admit that I never heard of the film before, here's some English language info also found on the
NFI site:
A National Epic
One of Norway's most famous paintings was transformed in 1926 into a grand-scale silent film drama from rural Norway. The film has finally been restored and made available.
One of Norway's silent film successes, The Bridal Procession in Hardanger from 1926, has been restored by the Norwegian Film Institute. Starring Åse Bye as the spurned Marit, the film tells a dramatic tale of deceit and forgiveness in a National Romantic setting. Naturally with a bridal voyage down the Hardanger fjord.
The film was made at a time when Norway had just become an independent nation, and national symbols like Norwegian national costume, folk music and magnificent Norwegian nature were important to people.
Director Rasmus Breistein's films are usually set in a Norwegian, majestic nature setting, telling a national tale. The actors in The Bridal Procession in Hardanger wear national costume for a large part of the film.
"We need to keep our feet solidly planted in our own soil and portray situations we know and which foreigners cannot portray. In brief, we have to draw inspiration from our own Norwegian culture," said Rasmus Breistein.
BRIDE IN NATIONAL COSTUME
The Bridal Procession in Hardanger film is based on the book Marit Skjølte by Kristofer Janson from 1865 which, in turn, is based on a painting, and tells the tale of young Marit, waiting for her love, Anders. Anders travels to America, as did many poor Norwegians between 1850 and 1900, and is supposed to return after two years. Four years later, Marit still has not heard from him. A big wedding is held at Bjørve, a big farm, and Marit goes there, without realizing that it is her beloved Anders who is marrying farm heiress Kari. She is the bride who is rowed across the fjord when Breistein brings to life one of Norway's most famous pieces of National Romantic art, The Bridal Voyage in the Hardanger Fjord from 1848.
The painting shows how the bridal couple in their fine national costume are raced across the water, as it was bad luck for the bridal couple not to go ashore first.
NEW MUSIC
Contemporary film composer Halldor Krogh has put together the original film score and also composed new music. The music is played by the Bergen Philharmonic Orchestra, accompanied by the tones of the traditional Harding fiddle. Some sections of the score come from the music of Edvard Grieg. A separate soundtrack has been created for the film with the piano and the Harding fiddle, not unlike the accompaniment when the film was screened in the USA in the late 1920s, and director Rasmus Breistein himself played the Harding fiddle to the film. The newly-restored film has already awoken a great deal of interest in China and in the Norwegian-American part of the USA. There have been several silent film concerts in Norway with the Bergen Philharmonic Orchestra.
Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 7:48 pm
by HerrSchreck
Hmmmm....
(looks at watch)
Ok-- I'm there. (That took long)
Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 9:16 pm
by Scharphedin2
The film sounds fantastic, and the
screen captures that [i74]Knappen[/i74] posted a little while ago look absolutely phenomenal.
Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 9:45 pm
by HerrSchreck
Indeed-- I thought i'd heard that title around this forum before.
It's about as good as an orthochromatic-stock silent film can look, pq-wise. Period.
Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 9:57 pm
by Tommaso
These caps have finally convinced me. It's ordered!
The ordering process was somewhat complicated, because it all is in Norwegian, but I hope I have managed to get through without a mistake. Worst thing was to find out what Germany means in Norwegian ("Tyskland", for anyone who's interested). Total cost including shipping were about 36 Euros (!), so this might be even more forbiddingly expensive for those in the US. I hope the film is worth it...
Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 10:24 pm
by Knappen
Don't hesitate to pm me in case of language difficulties (very strange that the NFI should not be providing an ordering service in english!).
NB. The film is not four hours long, but the dvd gives two different versions that count to around three hours pluss bonus.
Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 10:28 pm
by Tommaso
Knappen wrote:Don't hesitate to pm me in case of language difficulties (very strange that the NFI should not be providing an ordering service in english!).
Thanks, Knappen, for the offer! Yes, it's indeed strange. They even excuse themselves by saying (in English) that you could always sent them an e-mail or phone them if you're stuck during the ordering process, and that they'd be glad to help you....
Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 12:39 pm
by Knappen
Keep me updated on the Bridal Party.
More news:
Arte's silent of the month should make everybody salivate, at least those interested in russian silent cinema.
There shouldn't be too many good copies of The Extraordinary Adventures of Mr. West in the Land of the Bolsheviks circulating out there, so don't miss the film next monday (25 february, with a new screening the march 3rd).
Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 4:48 pm
by Tommaso
Knappen wrote:More news:
Arte's silent of the month should make everybody salivate, at least those interested in russian silent cinema.
Couldn't stop salivating since I first saw that on the arte site two weeks ago...
DVD Recorder already programmed! What would we do without arte...
Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 7:28 pm
by Knappen
[quoteac]What would we do without arte...[/quoteac]
Good Lord. We probably wouldn't even have copies of [bac]Maldone[/bac]...
Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 10:34 pm
by Tommaso
Dammit! I DON'T have a copy of "Maldone"....
Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 11:42 am
by jt
Help please! Am currently plugging gaps in my silent collection and am thinking about the following kino releases:
Jeanne Ney, Waxworks, The Man Who Laughs, Sir Arne's Treasure, Warning Shadows and Intolerance.
Before I pull the trigger, does anyone know of superior alternative editions that exist or are due out any time soon? I know the Arte version of Intolerance looks good but I don't know where I can pick it up. Also, should I spring for the kino Griffith box as I don't have Broken Blossoms or Orphans of the Storm. Are they worth it?
With Beaver ignorning most silents, I'm not sure where to go to ensure I'm getting the best editions.
Cheers,
john