Criterion Newsletter (Part 2)

[ptatler]

99% sure there's no plans for the other two, sadly.

Other three, right? WE THE WOMEN, JOAN OF ARC, and LA PAURA?

[TMDaines]

Well, only a fifth of Siamo donne is Rossellini/Bergman, but sure.

[onedimension]

One step closer to cinephile nirvana- just get me Rublev and Rivette and my soul can dissipate into nothingness.

[MongooseCmr]

I've known these have been becoming for a while but hopefully this is a sign that they are imminent.

This will most likely be this years holiday box set

[Cinephrenic]

Perhaps they will throw in Fear and Joan of Arc as extras.

[zedz]

I hope this will be a complete Rossellini / Bergman box set rather than just the big three. If not, you can probably kiss the remaining films goodbye, since they won't even make for a persuasive Eclipse set (two disc 'Leftover Ingrid' anyone?)

99% sure there's no plans for the other two, sadly.

In that case: paging BFI, here is your commercial advantage!

[TMDaines]

Perhaps they will throw in Fear and Joan of Arc as extras.

All I can say is that I was talking with someone about the Rossellinis, who would know, and that there was no plans for Fear/Angst or Joan.

I don't think that they were even part of the recent spate of Rossellini restorations though - neither was Europa '51 either, but that had already been done.

Edit: Actually, Fear was. Hey, I hope it does show up but I'm bracing myself for just the three.

[jwd5275]

For whatever it's worth Fear is available in HD on Hulu. To me that suggests that it will probably be included...

[RSTooley]

My first post! My prediction is that this is either referencing Roberto Rossellini's Rome, Open City or Gordon Douglas' Tony Rome. I'm not sure why Criterion would put out Tony Rome though. I'm simply going by the fact that the image as the title "wacky tuna." Tuna Rome = Tony Rome? Who knows.

[HistoryProf]

I've known these have been becoming for a while but hopefully this is a sign that they are imminent.

This. I've been hoping to hear these announced for the last 6 months. phenomenal news.

[Cinephrenic]

I think we never really had proper confirmation on Europa '51, I always thought this was holding the other films up.

[HistoryProf]

I hope this will be a complete Rossellini / Bergman box set rather than just the big three. If not, you can probably kiss the remaining films goodbye, since they won't even make for a persuasive Eclipse set (two disc 'Leftover Ingrid' anyone?)

99% sure there's no plans for the other two, sadly.

But what about India: Matri Bhumi, Fear, and L'amore? They have plenty of Rossellini to spare beyond the Bergman pictures.

[zedz]

I hope this will be a complete Rossellini / Bergman box set rather than just the big three. If not, you can probably kiss the remaining films goodbye, since they won't even make for a persuasive Eclipse set (two disc 'Leftover Ingrid' anyone?)

99% sure there's no plans for the other two, sadly.

But what about India: Matri Bhumi, Fear, and L'amore? They have plenty of Rossellini to spare beyond the Bergman pictures.

I was only talking about the remaining three Rossellini / Bergman films. The Hulu news about Fear is heartening, and the Italian Siamo donne DVD shows that there's an acceptable Chicken transfer out there (which would only ever be an extra anyway). Whatever they manage to pull together, I'm sure it will be a great set.

[ellipsis7]

The clue shows a tuna as a 'fish out of water', i.e. Bergman & her characters in post-war Italy... Sits much less comfortably with FEAR, so would seem to confirm just the 3 films in the set...

[Lemmy Caution]

The clue shows a tuna as a 'fish out of water'... much less comfortably with FEAR

I don't know, that's some scary ish for a fish ....

[TMDaines]

The Hulu news about Fear is heartening, and the Italian Siamo donne DVD shows that there's an acceptable Chicken transfer out there (which would only ever be an extra anyway). Whatever they manage to pull together, I'm sure it will be a great set.

The Hulu news about Fear looked to be heartening, but then it was rather disconcerting to see that it was the Italian Non credo più all'amore... cut that was done by the Italian distributors without Rossellini's input, i.e. the one that's currently available in Italy that no-one really cares for. It's the German and English versions that are bonafide.

[cinemartin]

Actually, the version of Fear on Hulu is the original Italian release. The recut recently played on TCM, has a title card that says Non credo più all'amore, and has a completely different ending.The original Italian release is the same as the English language release, except dubbed in Italian - which is a shame because the English was shot with direct sound. Perhaps Criterion will release it with 2 audio options? You're correct in mentioning the German version to be completely unique, but I've never seen it. Could Criterion track that down?

[onedimension]

I've known these have been becoming for a while but hopefully this is a sign that they are imminent.

This will most likely be this years holiday box set

Don't forget the Demy restorations that were mentioned as one producer's big project for the year.. Would be amazing to get both.

[TMDaines]

Actually, the version of Fear on Hulu is the original Italian release. The recut recently played on TCM, has a title card that says Non credo più all'amore, and has a completely different ending.The original Italian release is the same as the English language release, except dubbed in Italian - which is a shame because the English was shot with direct sound. Perhaps Criterion will release it with 2 audio options? You're correct in mentioning the German version to be completely unique, but I've never seen it. Could Criterion track that down?

Yes, I think you're correct actually judging by a previous discussion that I had with someone. I did check out the Hulu+ version, but just got my wires crossed with TCM broadcast. There's very blurry DVD-R doing the rounds online that has the English version - minus a missing scene or two. The German version is nowhere to be seen. I don't think anyone has it.

[jindianajonz]

My first post! My prediction is that this is either referencing Roberto Rossellini's Rome, Open City or Gordon Douglas' Tony Rome. I'm not sure why Criterion would put out Tony Rome though. I'm simply going by the fact that the image as the title "wacky tuna." Tuna Rome = Tony Rome? Who knows.

Hate to take the wind out of your first post, but this is already being discussed

And not sure if you meant it as a blu upgrade, but Rome Open City is already available in Criterion's Rossellini War Trilogy

[criterionsnob]

Could this be an obvious double clue for Fellini's Roma?

[Anhedionisiac]

I doubt that's the case but, considering all the talk about Glengarry Glen Ross lately, I couldn't help thinking about (Ricky) Roma.

[zedz]

Could this be an obvious double clue for Fellini's Roma?

Nope, it's a sextuple clue for the three Bergman / Rossellini films, Felini's Roma, Straub / Huillet's Sicilia! (coupled with Where Lies Your Hidden Smile?, naturally - and if you look carefully at the visual clue, you'll see that the smile is indeed hidden, so that's conclusive) and Abel Ferrara's Napoli, Napoli, Napoli (again obvious, because there are three signposts, even though they're not all pointing to Napoli).

Oh fuck, I forgot about Tim Burton's Big Fish. And Kinugasa's Crossroads. Those as well, definitely.

[stagefright50]

Could this be an obvious double clue for Fellini's Roma?

Nope, it's a sextuple clue for the three Bergman / Rossellini films, Felini's Roma, Straub / Huillet's Sicilia! (coupled with Where Lies Your Hidden Smile?, naturally - and if you look carefully at the visual clue, you'll see that the smile is indeed hidden, so that's conclusive) and Abel Ferrara's Napoli, Napoli, Napoli (again obvious, because there are three signposts, even though they're not all pointing to Napoli).

Oh fuck, I forgot about Tim Burton's Big Fish. And Kinugasa's Crossroads. Those as well, definitely.

You forgot this too.

[zedz]

You just know that if Criterion released a DVD of YouTube cat video parodies of films in the collection, it would be their biggest seller ever.