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Re: Studio Canal / Kinowelt / Optimum

Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2021 1:48 pm
by MichaelB
Excellent news about La Guerre sans nom, as I've tracked down English subtitles for everything else.

UPDATE: ...and I've ordered the French box. I'll report full specs early next week when it arrives.

Re: Studio Canal / Kinowelt / Optimum

Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2021 7:12 pm
by mhofmann
Got the French set today. Unless I made a mistake, this is what languages and subtitles look like:

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Re: Studio Canal / Kinowelt / Optimum

Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2021 7:19 pm
by mhofmann
Things I noticed at quick glance:
- 'La Guerre sans nom' is on one disc, with all its 4 hours. Encoding could of course be better. The second disc is some minor bonus material only.
- The pitch of the Studiocanal logo jingle at the beginning of 'Ça commence aujourd'hui' is noticeably off. No idea what this might mean for the rest of the film. The feature length matches what's listed on IMDb.

Re: Studio Canal / Kinowelt / Optimum

Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2021 8:30 pm
by MichaelB
Very pleased to see all the French HoH subtitles - when watching French films, I generally prefer them to ones in English, a habit that started when I deliberately bought a French DVD of Ridicule because I (rightly) thought subtitles in French would be more linguistically useful than ones in English, given that the film is specifically about quirks in the French language and a parallel English translation is therefore needlessly distracting. My French is a long way from being fluent, but if spoken and written French are simultaneously combined I'm likely to get at least 95% of what's being said.

Re: Studio Canal / Kinowelt / Optimum

Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2021 8:40 pm
by kekid
Both French and German boxes seem to be missing "Daddy Nostalgia" and "Round Midnight".
Are these available on Blu Ray anywhere?

Re: Studio Canal / Kinowelt / Optimum

Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2021 11:18 pm
by CSM126
I believe Round Midnight is with Criterion, but obviously not released yet

Re: Studio Canal / Kinowelt / Optimum

Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2021 2:39 am
by dwk
I may be misremembering, but I recall Daddy Nostalghia being a pretty bad standard definition master when it was on the Criterion Channel earlier this year. So it is possible that there is no HD master (and no Blu-ray.)

Re: Studio Canal / Kinowelt / Optimum

Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2021 3:52 am
by kekid
Any indication that Criterion might release a Tavernier box in Region 1?
What are the likely options for their next big box?

Re: Studio Canal / Kinowelt / Optimum

Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2021 4:45 am
by dwk
No, Kino has released a number of StudioCanal's Tavernier titles.

Re: Studio Canal / Kinowelt / Optimum

Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2021 5:52 am
by GaryC
MichaelB wrote: Wed Oct 13, 2021 8:30 pm Very pleased to see all the French HoH subtitles - when watching French films, I generally prefer them to ones in English, a habit that started when I deliberately bought a French DVD of Ridicule because I (rightly) thought subtitles in French would be more linguistically useful than ones in English, given that the film is specifically about quirks in the French language and a parallel English translation is therefore needlessly distracting. My French is a long way from being fluent, but if spoken and written French are simultaneously combined I'm likely to get at least 95% of what's being said.
I did once years ago follow a film via French subtitles at the National Film Theatre (as was) - the film was Dreyer's Gertrud, in Danish, and the print had come from a French archive. That was in the last century and my French is very rusty now. So a set like this could certainly give me plenty of practice. Other than the English-language Death Watch, the only one that doesn't have English subtitles or French HOH subtitles is Des enfants gâtés, which is one I haven't seen before.

I'm not in a position to spring for this set just yet, and a little voice asks when I'm going to get the time to watch all of this, but I'm certainly tempted. There are films on here I've been wanting to see for years and I've been wanting a Blu of Sunday in the Country in particular for years too.

Re: Studio Canal / Kinowelt / Optimum

Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2021 6:41 am
by tenia
From what I gathered from the boxset trailer, I suppose some of the new restorations and it shows. I haven't been able to recognize in particular which movie stood out but I think it's Que la fête commence.

Re: Studio Canal / Kinowelt / Optimum

Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2021 8:12 pm
by mhofmann
tenia wrote: Thu Oct 14, 2021 6:41 am From what I gathered from the boxset trailer, I suppose some of the new restorations and it shows. I haven't been able to recognize in particular which movie stood out but I think it's Que la fête commence.
While a lot of the included films look like they're from older masters, Que la fête commence is from a newer 4K restoration and has been quite a bit Ritrovata'd.

https://imgur.com/a/s0T3EgI

Re: Studio Canal / Kinowelt / Optimum

Posted: Sat Oct 16, 2021 10:59 pm
by kekid
Does anyone have external English subtitles for "Holy Lola"?
The ones I could find from open sources only go for part of the film.

Re: Studio Canal / Kinowelt / Optimum

Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2021 11:37 am
by mhofmann
kekid wrote: Sat Oct 16, 2021 10:59 pm Does anyone have external English subtitles for "Holy Lola"?
The ones I could find from open sources only go for part of the film.
I can find a set of subtitles (via OpenSubtitles) that seem to cover the entire film but that was split into two files, presumably for two CDs. Haven't tried synchronizing it to the set yet, but the overall runtime seems to roughly match.

Re: Studio Canal / Kinowelt / Optimum

Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2021 11:38 am
by MichaelB
I'm sure I'll get round to synchronising them in due course, but my Tavernier set hasn't arrived yet.

Re: Studio Canal / Kinowelt / Optimum

Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2021 6:11 am
by GaryC
Of course, by the time I get hold of this and even watch any of it, we might know if StudioCanal have any plans to release any of these in the UK. I somehow doubt they'll go for an eighteen-film or even eleven-film set, especially as by my reckoning six of the eighteen haven't had UK commercial releases before so will need to be BBFC-certified. (Que la fête commence and La guerre sans nom have had UK television screenings, though. As the latter is a documentary, it may be able to be BBFC-exempted depending on its content - I haven't seen the film.)

Re: Studio Canal / Kinowelt / Optimum

Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2021 11:09 pm
by Matt
Matt wrote:
Finch wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 11:52 pmSC UK also have a Jacques Becker title, 1945's Falbalas.
Trying to find someone who will ship it to the US without charging more for shipping than for the disc itself
I ended up ordering the French DVD+BD from Fnac. Shipping still cost more than the disc itself, but the disc is identical (includes French and German audio and French HOH, English, and German subtitles) and I received it ONE day after the street date.

Re: Studio Canal / Kinowelt / Optimum

Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2021 8:30 pm
by Pepsi
Tavernier box (German).
https://www.media-dealer.de/index.php?c ... 3539690706

There's a picture of the back cover. It dosent promise good. Only one film has Englsih subs. If its accurate.

Re: Studio Canal / Kinowelt / Optimum

Posted: Sat Oct 23, 2021 4:22 pm
by MichaelB
mhofmann wrote: Wed Oct 13, 2021 7:19 pm Things I noticed at quick glance:
- 'La Guerre sans nom' is on one disc, with all its 4 hours. Encoding could of course be better.
I suspect that last sentence translates as "The bitrate could of course be higher", because I'd argue that 25mbps is in fact absolutely fine for a film like this with lots of talking-head interviews and rostrum stills (the main feature file is a whopping 46.7 gigs), and a quick spin through the disc suggests that I'm unlikely to have any problems with it.

Very happy to confirm that the extras disc is 100% English-friendly as well, the extras in question being a 16-minute discussion between Bertrand Tavernier and co-writer Patrick Rotman, and a 50-minute interview with historian Vincent Martigny.

Re: Studio Canal / Kinowelt / Optimum

Posted: Sat Oct 23, 2021 4:52 pm
by Fiery Angel
are there English-friendly extras with any of the English-friendly films?

Re: Studio Canal / Kinowelt / Optimum

Posted: Sat Oct 23, 2021 4:55 pm
by kekid
Pepsi wrote: Fri Oct 22, 2021 8:30 pm Tavernier box (German).
https://www.media-dealer.de/index.php?c ... 3539690706

There's a picture of the back cover. It dosent promise good. Only one film has Englsih subs. If its accurate.
If you click on the "Specifications" tab in the table next to the graphic, you will see that Subtitles are provided in German and English.

Re: Studio Canal / Kinowelt / Optimum

Posted: Sat Oct 23, 2021 5:00 pm
by MichaelB
Fiery Angel wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 4:52 pm are there English-friendly extras with any of the English-friendly films?
I haven't been through all of them yet, but Une Semaine de Vacances is completely English-friendly, including the making-of doc and the 25-minute critical analysis.

Re: Studio Canal / Kinowelt / Optimum

Posted: Sat Oct 23, 2021 5:35 pm
by eerik
Didn't see it posted here yet, but it looks like Studiocanal are going to beat Kino Lorber with the 4K UHD release of Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy. German release is listed for 2nd December, will surely coincide with UK release.

Re: Studio Canal / Kinowelt / Optimum

Posted: Sat Oct 23, 2021 5:38 pm
by MichaelB
eerik wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 5:35 pm Didn't see it posted here yet, but it looks like Studiocanal are going to beat Kino Lorber with the 4K UHD release of Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy. German release is listed for 4nd December, will surely coincide with UK release.
A very safe bet, I'd have thought, if only for economy-of-scale manufacturing reasons.

Re: Studio Canal / Kinowelt / Optimum

Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2021 7:58 am
by mhofmann
MichaelB wrote: Sat Oct 23, 2021 4:22 pm
mhofmann wrote: Wed Oct 13, 2021 7:19 pm Things I noticed at quick glance:
- 'La Guerre sans nom' is on one disc, with all its 4 hours. Encoding could of course be better.
I suspect that last sentence translates as "The bitrate could of course be higher", because I'd argue that 25mbps is in fact absolutely fine for a film like this with lots of talking-head interviews and rostrum stills (the main feature file is a whopping 46.7 gigs), and a quick spin through the disc suggests that I'm unlikely to have any problems with it.
Sure, the bit-rate could be higher given the source material. More accurately, I should have said "the compressed video could be more transparent to the source."

Given that 4 hours of noisy footage are packed onto one disc, it actually looks fairly reasonable. This doesn't change the fact that there are compression artifacts everywhere and that I notice them very easily on my large-screen TV. One can even see where the I-frames are in many scenes (or at least I assume that's what's happening), due to a pulsing effect in the quality of the noise pattern.
I'm assuming that splitting the main feature onto two discs and/or more careful encoding could have avoided all of this.