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Re: Vinegar Syndrome et al.

Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2024 5:21 pm
by dwk
Today's Cinématographe asnnouncement is Red Rock West Blu-ray.

Re: Vinegar Syndrome et al.

Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2024 5:39 pm
by domino harvey
A great movie but I’m prob fine with my German Blu ray that cost like nine dollars

Re: Vinegar Syndrome et al.

Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2024 6:13 pm
by dwk
Red Rock West is from a new 4k scan of the Interpositive, so it should look better than previous releases. Having said that, the price for these fancy VS editions is a little much.

Re: Vinegar Syndrome et al.

Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2024 7:09 pm
by TechnicolorAcid
To be fair about the price, this is a slipcase housing a mediabook so I imagine the cost is purely packaging like their VSU line and they will have cheaper standard editions in the future if you want to save a couple bucks.

Re: Vinegar Syndrome et al.

Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2024 7:36 pm
by therewillbeblus
Figures, caved and bought the UK blu last month

Re: Vinegar Syndrome et al.

Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2024 9:47 pm
by jazzo
Shit, that maybe have been on my recommendation. The Plan B one, right? I was recommending that one when I thought Kino’s rumoured release was still in the running.

I still think Plan B’s a great little edition with a solid transfer and substantial extras.

I’m tempted by the VS, but think I’m sticking with the UK.

Re: Vinegar Syndrome et al.

Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2024 11:56 pm
by therewillbeblus
Yeah I watched it again recently and it looks the same old cruddy but perfectly suitable image. I revisit the film often enough where it might just be worth the double dip depending on how this looks

Re: Vinegar Syndrome et al.

Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2024 9:51 pm
by dwk
Finch wrote: Mon Jan 01, 2024 7:37 pm Thanks dwk! Here's hoping.
A standard edition of DARYL UHD has appeared at Hamilton book for $27.95 (They also have the standard UHDs of eXistenZ for $29.95 and The Prophecy Trilogy for $44.94)

Re: Vinegar Syndrome et al.

Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2024 6:40 am
by hearthesilence
FWIW, Tough Guys Don't Dance will be screening from a 35mm print this Wednesday and Sunday night at Roxy Cinema with an introduction by Mailer's son, Michael Mailer, at Wednesday's screening. (EDIT: Friday's screening appears to have been cancelled.)

I'm not sure if I'd see it again, but I thought it was a good campy dark comedy, and a completely strange mix of things that seem at odds with each other - to be honest, I'm not sure if the film would be all that interesting if everything was executed with sharp precision and professionalism or if every element was thoroughly clumsy and amateurish. I get the impression that the producers thought they had a potential Blue Velvet on their hands when they agreed to finance it (Isabella Rossellini and Angelo Badalamenti's involvement doesn't seem coincidental), but even with Mailer directing his own novel, the filmmaking for better and worse lacks Lynch's skill and consistency in vision.

FWIW, the late Michael Wilmington reviewed this when it was originally released, and while other supporters like Dave Kehr and Vincent Canby recommended it with the caveat that it's enjoyably bad, Wilmington was one of the rare critics who had a much higher opinion than that. An excerpt:
Michael Wilmington wrote:Mailer's 1984 novel-from which he scripted and directed this charmingly cracked nightmare comedy-was a self-conscious existential thriller, full of ruminations on machismo and thick with seedy, rotten characters whose collective morality might have lodged easily in the belly of a flea.

The movie, in turn, is a self-conscious modern film noir, an ominous romantic farce fueled by the fear of homosexuality. Like the book, it's suffused with nightfall melancholy, the sour dread of late-morning hangovers, chewed-up honor and nameless fears sneaking under the sunlight. It's a story that dances through death's darkness and ends in a cackling blaze of witches' laughter.

And where the novel had gorgeous metaphors, the film-thanks to cinematographer John Bailey-has darkly gorgeous visuals. There are stark Edward Hopperesque streets here, plumed with mist and achingly clear gray daylight, briny night scenes washed in windy threat.

Mailer's three previous film-making efforts-those harsh, semi-improvised '60s works-didn't hint at the suave surface here. Even when the pace seems off or the staging a bit clumsy, Mailer and the actors get an edgy feel into nearly every scene.

The dialogue is a brew of Hemingway tough talk laced with oddball Joycean jive and rhetorical flourish; the cast chews into these lines with an insidious savor...

Some will find Tough Guys Don't Dance ludicrous; others will complain that it lacks big studio movie flash. True-but why mourn the absence of an expertise mostly made to distract audiences from the emptiness of the story they're being told?

Whatever else you can say about this film, it's alive with ideas and a rich, strange view of the world. Even at its most awkward moments, Mailer's brilliance shines out of nearly every scene.

Perhaps the movies should be grateful for the compliment he's paid them-albeit with tongue partly in cheek. Stealing time that might have been reserved for another big novel, Mailer diverts it into a homage to the films he loved as a young man. He almost revives the soul, as well as the surface, of film noir, making it again a dark, lucid mirror of society's corruptions, wicked hypocrisies and evil glamour.

Re: Vinegar Syndrome et al.

Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2024 9:51 am
by Mr. Deltoid
hearthesilence wrote: Mon Jan 15, 2024 6:40 am FWIW, Tough Guys Don't Dance will be screening from a 35mm print this Wednesday, Friday and Sunday night at Roxy Cinema with an introduction by Mailer's son, Michael Mailer, at Wednesday's screening.

I'm not sure if I'd see it again, but I thought it was a good campy dark comedy, and a completely strange mix of things that seem at odds with each other - to be honest, I'm not sure if the film would be all that interesting if everything was executed with sharp precision and professionalism or if every element was thoroughly clumsy and amateurish. I get the impression that the producers thought they had a potential Blue Velvet on their hands when they agreed to finance it (Isabella Rossellini and Angelo Badalamenti's involvement doesn't seem coincidental), but even with Mailer directing his own novel, the filmmaking for better and worse lacks Lynch's skill and consistency in vision.

FWIW, the late Michael Wilmington reviewed this when it was originally released, and while other supporters like Dave Kehr and Vincent Canby recommended it with the caveat that it's enjoyably bad, Wilmington was one of the rare critics who had a much higher opinion than that. An excerpt:
Michael Wilmington wrote:Mailer's 1984 novel-from which he scripted and directed this charmingly cracked nightmare comedy-was a self-conscious existential thriller, full of ruminations on machismo and thick with seedy, rotten characters whose collective morality might have lodged easily in the belly of a flea.

The movie, in turn, is a self-conscious modern film noir, an ominous romantic farce fueled by the fear of homosexuality. Like the book, it's suffused with nightfall melancholy, the sour dread of late-morning hangovers, chewed-up honor and nameless fears sneaking under the sunlight. It's a story that dances through death's darkness and ends in a cackling blaze of witches' laughter.

And where the novel had gorgeous metaphors, the film-thanks to cinematographer John Bailey-has darkly gorgeous visuals. There are stark Edward Hopperesque streets here, plumed with mist and achingly clear gray daylight, briny night scenes washed in windy threat.

Mailer's three previous film-making efforts-those harsh, semi-improvised '60s works-didn't hint at the suave surface here. Even when the pace seems off or the staging a bit clumsy, Mailer and the actors get an edgy feel into nearly every scene.

The dialogue is a brew of Hemingway tough talk laced with oddball Joycean jive and rhetorical flourish; the cast chews into these lines with an insidious savor...

Some will find Tough Guys Don't Dance ludicrous; others will complain that it lacks big studio movie flash. True-but why mourn the absence of an expertise mostly made to distract audiences from the emptiness of the story they're being told?

Whatever else you can say about this film, it's alive with ideas and a rich, strange view of the world. Even at its most awkward moments, Mailer's brilliance shines out of nearly every scene.

Perhaps the movies should be grateful for the compliment he's paid them-albeit with tongue partly in cheek. Stealing time that might have been reserved for another big novel, Mailer diverts it into a homage to the films he loved as a young man. He almost revives the soul, as well as the surface, of film noir, making it again a dark, lucid mirror of society's corruptions, wicked hypocrisies and evil glamour.
That's some lovely critical prose by Wilmington, perfectly capturing why the film is more than Bad-Movie-Fodder (though it is that as well). Thank's for digging that up heartthesilence!

Re: Vinegar Syndrome et al.

Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2024 5:22 pm
by hearthesilence
You're welcome Mr. Deltoid!

Re: Vinegar Syndrome et al.

Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2024 1:53 am
by What A Disgrace
Five Women for the Killer is probably the dullest giallo I've seen, I wonder why it wasn't relegated to the Forgotten Gialli sets, whereas the genuinely well liked and not-at-all forgotten The Bloodstained Shadow is in part 6.

Re: Vinegar Syndrome et al.

Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2024 6:11 pm
by jazzo
March 2024 VS:

Phase IV (4K)
5 Card Stud
A Man Called Hero
The Playgirls and the Vampire
Herencia Diabolica

and

Spanish Bloodbath: Night of the Skull / Violent Blood Bath / The Fish With The Eyes of Gold



Re: Vinegar Syndrome et al.

Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2024 6:18 pm
by domino harvey
jazzo wrote: Thu Feb 01, 2024 6:11 pm March 2024 VS:

5 Card Stud
I assume there’s another film called this, because I can’t imagine VS releasing a Dean Martin/Robert Mitchum western

EDIT: Wow, they actually are. It IS terrible, so I guess it makes sense for their model…

Re: Vinegar Syndrome et al.

Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2024 10:09 pm
by tenia
It's actually a unique Hollywood genre hybrid from an acclaimed director celebrated and with an Academy Award nominee, a Rat Pack member, a cult character actor, a two time Emmy nominee, plus an early performance from a future star, for the first time ever released on BD !

Re: Vinegar Syndrome et al.

Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2024 10:18 pm
by domino harvey
Ha! Here’s a write up from the Westerns thread by future county fair pie-baking winner domino harvey
domino harvey wrote: Tue Feb 01, 2011 2:22 am I really hope you all appreciate my Christlike sacrificial devotion to justly forgotten Westerns in this thread.

5 Card Stud (Henry Hathaway 1968) There are certain actors that rarely if ever show up in westerns, usually for good reason. Roddy McDowall is not a name I'd associate with the genre-- though, browsing IMDB to confirm my suspicions, this wasn't his only western. Regardless, while his sniveling adult screen persona lends itself well to playing the heavy, he is hopelessly miscast here. But at least the film he's miscast within is so terrible that no one will ever know. How can Dino palling around with Robert Mitchum's gun-toting preacher go wrong? Because everything in this movie goes wrong. Hathaway is a decent hired hand with no authorial touches, but even he's better than whatever is supposed to be happening here. Westerns can't really sustain mysteries and this one gives up the answer long before it thinks it does. The only thing separating this from some cut-rate western TV show from the same era is (insert covert mumbling)

And I know women rarely fare well in westerns anyway, but hadn't they suffered enough without pinning on their sex a black hole of talent like Katherine Justice?

Re: Technical Issues and Questions

Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2024 1:06 am
by swo17
Partner label releases include Bubble Bath from Deaf Crocodile and Réjeanne Padovani from CIP. Some might also be interested in the Adams family's Where the Devil Roams (whose The Deeper You Dig got a release from Arrow). Does anyone recommend anything else?

Re: Technical Issues and Questions

Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2024 1:36 am
by TechnicolorAcid
Don’t know why this is in the Technical Issues thread but I’ve had positive experiences with Deaf Crocodile’s Hungarian catalogue so I’d say that Bubble Bath will be up my same level of enjoyment and possibly yours too if you like eccentric animation dealing with mature themes.

Re: Technical Issues and Questions

Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2024 2:31 am
by swo17
TechnicolorAcid wrote: Fri Feb 02, 2024 1:36 am Don’t know why this is in the Technical Issues thread
Clearly I should not be allowed to operate heavy machinery today

Re: Vinegar Syndrome et al.

Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2024 3:06 am
by Finch
Also, two Hong Kong titles, Man on the Brink from Kani which sounds interesting, and A Man called Hero at VS Archive.

Re: Vinegar Syndrome et al.

Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2024 6:31 pm
by The Elegant Dandy Fop
I haven’t seen A Man Called Hero, but a lot of those early CGI Hong Kong films are rough and are so unenjoyable. I can’t think of any other than those directed by Stephen Chow that I’ve enjoyed.

Man on the Brink is a wonderful surprise release. On the power of this and Alex Cheung’s Cops and Robbers, he should’ve been a bigger director, but never quite got there. While C&R has the sort of frenetic mood changes I love in Hong Kong cinema as it goes from crass humor, to serial killer horror, to police melodrama, MotB is far grimmer, more violent police thriller that looks forward to the films of Ringo Lam. Would pair very nicely with Lam’s City on Fire as they share many elements.

Re: Vinegar Syndrome et al.

Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2024 4:42 pm
by What A Disgrace
There's plenty of reasons to keep the 101 Films edition of Phase IV. All of the supplements, including the essential selection of short films, remain exclusive to the 101, while Vinegar's supplements are themselves all seemingly unique.

Re: Vinegar Syndrome et al.

Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2024 7:31 pm
by beamish14
What A Disgrace wrote: Mon Feb 05, 2024 4:42 pm There's plenty of reasons to keep the 101 Films edition of Phase IV. All of the supplements, including the essential selection of short films, remain exclusive to the 101, while Vinegar's supplements are themselves all seemingly unique.

Yep. This is a rare double dip title for me. The shorts are extraordinary

Re: Vinegar Syndrome et al.

Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2024 10:18 pm
by Blip Martindale
Speaking of mid-century designers, like Saul Bass, I surely would like VS or some other boutique label to make an effort at releasing all of the Eames films in a huge box set. The Eames company itself has released a few dozen in poor quality on DVD, but there are something like 125 films total, and their cultural importance and aesthetic beauty are well worth preserving. I mean, they're just charming and inventive as hell. I imagine licensing may be an issue (they seem very possessive of their work, and there are other companies involved, i.e. Herman Miller, so licensing within licensing) but it would be a wonderful thing to have.

Re: Vinegar Syndrome et al.

Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2024 8:45 pm
by What A Disgrace
Partook of the Melusine Valentine's Day sale today. Two Films By Arthur J. Bressan Jr., The Tale of Tiffany Lust, and the Findlay trilogy for $66, when combined with a previous Vinegar Syndrome order.