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Well, I sure hope the movie is better than the trailer, as that has to be one of the worst trailers in recent memory as far as for a film from a respected director and with a really good cast.

And, to be fair, I could easily see how this might be a good movie with just an absolutely awful trailer cut from it.

Curious to read some of the reactions out of Venice when I get a chance.

Posted: **Tue Sep 06, 2022 5:01 pm**

ianthemovie wrote: Tue Sep 06, 2022 4:30 pm I'm already steeling myself for the inevitable onslaught of debates and think pieces that we're likely to get this awards season considering this side by side with The Fabelmans.

Based on the emphasis in that trailer, I actually thought Till might end up being the likelier comparison point among the chattering classes. But no matter. The film looks good, hoping (against hope) it will be a success for Gray.

Posted: **Tue Sep 06, 2022 5:45 pm**

ianthemovie wrote: Tue Sep 06, 2022 4:30 pm
diamonds wrote: Tue Sep 06, 2022 3:30 pm James Gray's Armageddon Time
I'm already steeling myself for the inevitable onslaught of debates and think pieces that we're likely to get this awards season considering this side by side with The Fabelmans.

I'm just ignoring the existence of the Gray (as I always do) and probably won't watch the Spielberg until ten years later. Problem solved.

Posted: **Tue Sep 06, 2022 6:31 pm**

Persona wrote: Tue Sep 06, 2022 4:59 pm
diamonds wrote: Thu Sep 01, 2022 7:26 pm Walter Hill's Dead for a Dollar
Well, I sure hope the movie is better than the trailer, as that has to be one of the worst trailers in recent memory as far as for a film from a respected director and with a really good cast.

And, to be fair, I could easily see how this might be a good movie with just an absolutely awful trailer cut from it.

Curious to read some of the reactions out of Venice when I get a chance.

When was the last time Hill made anything good? Probably close to thirty years ago, right?

Posted: **Tue Sep 06, 2022 6:37 pm**

knives wrote: Tue Sep 06, 2022 6:31 pm
Persona wrote: Tue Sep 06, 2022 4:59 pm
diamonds wrote: Thu Sep 01, 2022 7:26 pm Walter Hill's Dead for a Dollar
Well, I sure hope the movie is better than the trailer, as that has to be one of the worst trailers in recent memory as far as for a film from a respected director and with a really good cast.

And, to be fair, I could easily see how this might be a good movie with just an absolutely awful trailer cut from it.

Curious to read some of the reactions out of Venice when I get a chance.
When was the last time Hill made anything good? Probably close to thirty years ago, right?

If you lower your expectations considerably, Undisputed (2002) is a very fun b-movie. His miniseries Broken Trail is fairly good as well.

Posted: **Tue Sep 06, 2022 6:39 pm**

He’s made like three things in the last twenty years though, so it’s not necessarily a fair marker to indicate a bad streak. Having said that, I don’t think he’s made anything good in like 35

Posted: **Tue Sep 06, 2022 6:44 pm**

therewillbeblus wrote: Tue Sep 06, 2022 6:39 pm He’s made like three things in the last twenty years though, so it’s not necessarily a fair marker to indicate a bad streak. Having said that, I don’t think he’s made anything good in like 35

I think Geronimo (1993) is probably his single most important work, and maybe the best post-1972ish Hollywood western. Easily the best film with John Milius’ name on it after Apocalypse Now, too

Posted: **Tue Sep 06, 2022 6:57 pm**

I always forget Undisputed was that recent. Feels about four years older to me.

Posted: **Tue Sep 06, 2022 7:14 pm**

beamish14 wrote: Tue Sep 06, 2022 6:44 pm I think Geronimo (1993) is probably his single most important work, and maybe the best post-1972ish Hollywood western. Easily the best film with John Milius’ name on it after Apocalypse Now, too

Hmm, I really like Extreme Prejudice and Clear and Present Danger (the best Jack Ryan, sadly criticized as the worst), but I'll check it out- I see Indicator put it out on blu last year, so maybe I'll pick that up

Posted: **Tue Sep 06, 2022 7:26 pm**

Henry Selick's Wendell & Wild, his first feature in 13 years.

Posted: **Tue Sep 06, 2022 7:42 pm**

MitchPerrywinkle wrote: Tue Sep 06, 2022 7:26 pm Henry Selick's Wendell & Wild, his first feature in 13 years.

First completed feature in 13 years. The Shadow King had a tragic fate.

It’s amazing how long it took to get a full trailer for this. The first Netflix animated film to be submitted to the MPAA which has received a PG-13 rating

Posted: **Tue Sep 06, 2022 9:21 pm**

I hope Wendell and Wild is better than the bad trailer and Jordan Peele's involvement as co-writer and producer suggests (I loved Coraline but this trailer and Peele make me nervous).

Posted: **Tue Sep 06, 2022 9:29 pm**

Yeah that looks like some Pixar Hot Topic multiplex Tim Burton junk. Watch Tippet's "Mad God" instead.

Posted: **Tue Sep 06, 2022 10:40 pm**

I'm also not entirely thrilled with the trailer, and I certainly hope this is closer in quality to Coraline than Monkeybone. It'll be having its world premiere at Toronto in a few days, so we'll see what word-of-mouth indicates then.

I do have an affinity for Selick's whizbang devilry, and in the increasingly niche arena of auteur-driven stop-motion animation (we can root for both him and Phil Tippett, can't we?), I would be delighted if his newest film was a creative triumph, let alone did well with audiences. Especially after, as beamish14 noted, the aborted production of The Shadow King (which, iirc, saw a significant portion of its production completed before being cancelled. One can hope Selick will eventually finish the work someday.)

Posted: **Tue Sep 06, 2022 11:45 pm**

MitchPerrywinkle wrote: Tue Sep 06, 2022 10:40 pm I'm also not entirely thrilled with the trailer, and I certainly hope this is closer in quality to Coraline than Monkeybone. It'll be having its world premiere at Toronto in a few days, so we'll see what word-of-mouth indicates then.

I do have an affinity for Selick's whizbang devilry, and in the increasingly niche arena of auteur-driven stop-motion animation (we can root for both him and Phil Tippett, can't we?), I would be delighted if his newest film was a creative triumph, let alone did well with audiences. Especially after, as beamish14 noted, the aborted production of The Shadow King (which, iirc, saw a significant portion of its production completed before being cancelled. One can hope Selick will eventually finish the work someday.)

I’m still amazed that no studio was willing to take on The Shadow King after it was cancelled near the mid-point of production. I’d really hoped that Annapurna or Netflix might have acquired it from Disney, but I’ve heard from some people familiar with it that the story just wasn’t workable

Posted: **Thu Sep 29, 2022 3:40 am**

Ali Abassi’s Holy Spider

Posted: **Thu Sep 29, 2022 4:13 am**

DarkImbecile wrote: Thu Sep 29, 2022 3:40 am Ali Abassi’s Holy Spider

The story behind the lead actress is quite sad.

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