Criterion and StudioCanal

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Ribs · #1101 Post by **Ribs** » Thu Nov 15, 2018 11:47 am

I do not think Criterion will be in a particular rush to re-upgrade the titles that SC has already put out on BD and remain in print when there’s a bevy of titles that haven’t been tapped thus far whatsoever. Ran, maybe, but I don’t really see the need for the others when there’s a ton that actually need a decent release.

movielocke · #1102 Post by **movielocke** » Thu Nov 15, 2018 5:57 pm

Ribs wrote:I do not think Criterion will be in a particular rush to re-upgrade the titles that SC has already put out on BD and remain in print when there’s a bevy of titles that haven’t been tapped thus far whatsoever. Ran, maybe, but I don’t really see the need for the others when there’s a ton that actually need a decent release.

I don’t think the existence of other releases is a huge factor in their decision, maybe 10%. Its more about what they’re excited to work on and what they’re thrilled to have back and therefore will make room in their schedule for it because of that excitement and personal interest.

If they’re meh to release “the two of us” they’re not going to allocate resources to it just because it hasn’t had as many releases as other titles.

But even that producer interest only goes so far in terms of releases, look at the abc films/Hitchcock releases, an initial wave from the new licensing agreement (Rebecca and straw dogs) and then a sixteen month gap til Notorious comes out. I’m sure they were excited to have notorious and eager to release it but the producer had to work it into their schedule, and that means it took a while. The existence of other releases of Notorious had no bearing on that decision, it was probably purely a scheduling matter.

#1103 Post by **domino harvey** » Thu Nov 15, 2018 5:59 pm

Cohen already put Le vieil homme et l'enfant out, there's zero chance it will come from Criterion

movielocke · #1104 Post by **movielocke** » Thu Nov 15, 2018 6:00 pm

domino harvey wrote:Cohen already put that out, there's zero chance it will come from Criterion

The two of us? I picked it because it seemed like the lowest profile release of the SC titles, no idea there was another release, good to know thanks.

#1105 Post by **domino harvey** » Thu Nov 15, 2018 6:01 pm

Yep. Very recently too, within the last couple months. I think it got a new resto too

captveg · #1106 Post by **captveg** » Wed Nov 21, 2018 8:30 pm

Kino just announced Le Doulos, so if Criterion did end up getting their own smaller deal with SC then they didn't pick up all of their previous releases.

Regardless, great to have this and so many other SC titles coming out in the US again. Man, did Lionsgate really suck at releasing titles from SC.

captveg · #1107 Post by **captveg** » Wed Nov 21, 2018 9:06 pm

The KL rep also stated they have either Fallen Idol or Bob le flambeur, with another label having the other.

EDIT: And the KL rep stated they have no Japanese films in their SC deal. So it would be up to one of the other labels to do a new release of Ran.

dwk · #1108 Post by **dwk** » Wed Nov 21, 2018 9:12 pm

Bah, mixed emotions. I was kind of hoping that Criterion would get the Melvilles (well all their old StudioCanal titles really) back, as Kino's releases tend to be serviceable at best, but happy it is getting a US Blu-ray and at least it isn't Shout Factory, so the Le Doulos Blu should be inexpensive to pick up.

FrauBlucher · #1109 Post by **FrauBlucher** » Wed Nov 21, 2018 9:56 pm

captveg wrote:Man, did Lionsgate really suck at releasing titles from SC.

You’re not friggin kidding. What a useless company.

I do have the Lionsgate/SC bluray of La Grande Illusion. While it is an awesome looking disc and great extras, I will purchase a new Criterion release just on principle

captveg · #1110 Post by **captveg** » Wed Nov 21, 2018 10:04 pm

FrauBlucher wrote: Wed Nov 21, 2018 9:56 pm
captveg wrote:Man, did Lionsgate really suck at releasing titles from SC.
You’re not friggin kidding. What a useless company.

I do have the Lionsgate/SC bluray of La Grande Illusion. While it is an awesome looking disc and great extras, I will purchase a new Criterion release just on principle

And just after you posted this the KL rep stated that Ran "most likely stayed with Lionsgate as did many others". Damn it.

I agree about Grand Illusion. The LG/SC release of That Obscure Object of Desire is pretty good, too.

FrauBlucher · #1111 Post by **FrauBlucher** » Thu Nov 29, 2018 12:43 am

According to the KLInsider.... Kino doesn't have any Bardot films. Which pretty much ensures Contempt will be returning to Criterion.

captveg · #1112 Post by **captveg** » Thu Nov 29, 2018 8:36 pm

FrauBlucher wrote: Thu Nov 29, 2018 12:43 am According to the KLInsider.... Kino doesn't have any Bardot films. Which pretty much ensures Contempt will be returning to Criterion.

Unless it's simply remaining with Lionsgate. I get the feeling that SC is allowing Lionsgate to "keep" the handful of titles they released on Blu-ray in the US. Kino just announced Kind Hearts and Coronets, The Lavender Hill Mob and The Man in the White Suit, with The Ladykillers suspiciously absent. Combined with the KL Insider's statement that Ran "most likely stayed with Lionsgate as did many others," I wouldn't be surprised if that's the situation with Contempt.

KJones77 · #1113 Post by **KJones77** » Thu Nov 29, 2018 9:14 pm

The fact that Kino keeps announcing old Criterion titles leads me to believe that Criterion did not sign a new deal with StudioCanal. It just seems unlikely to me that they wouldn't have snapped up all their old OOP titles before anyone else could.

Maybe I'm wrong, but this doesn't smell right.

FrauBlucher · #1114 Post by **FrauBlucher** » Thu Nov 29, 2018 10:19 pm

captveg wrote:
FrauBlucher wrote: Thu Nov 29, 2018 12:43 am According to the KLInsider.... Kino doesn't have any Bardot films. Which pretty much ensures Contempt will be returning to Criterion.
Unless it's simply remaining with Lionsgate. I get the feeling that SC is allowing Lionsgate to "keep" the handful of titles they released on Blu-ray in the US. Kino just announced Kind Hearts and Coronets, The Lavender Hill Mob and The Man in the White Suit, with The Ladykillers suspiciously absent. Combined with the KL Insider's statement that Ran "most likely stayed with Lionsgate as did many others," I wouldn't be surprised if that's the situation with Contempt.

Captveg, I guess you didn’t see that Janus posted a pick of Ran a few days back. It was posted in the Criterion discussion and speculation thread.

Thu Nov 29, 2018 10:21 pm

Since Criterion has access to sales figures we don't, I wouldn't be surprised if Criterion passed on some titles that they decided weren't going to give them a big enough return to pay for again

Drucker · #1116 Post by **Drucker** » Thu Nov 29, 2018 10:27 pm

Perhaps they could also be prioritizing discs that don't already have an R2 presence...

captveg · #1117 Post by **captveg** » Thu Nov 29, 2018 10:35 pm

FrauBlucher wrote: Thu Nov 29, 2018 10:19 pmCaptveg, I guess you didn’t see that Janus posted a pick of Ran a few days back. It was posted in the Criterion discussion and speculation thread.

I didn't. Just posting what the KL Insider said, though. I certainly hope they are wrong and that Ran will be back with a new Criterion release.

Thu Nov 29, 2018 10:38 pm

It's also possible Criterion wasn't consulted in advance of KL having access to the StudioCanal library and/or their deal, if one exists, came after KL's and so KL wouldn't necessarily know what Criterion has

FrauBlucher · #1119 Post by **FrauBlucher** » Thu Nov 29, 2018 10:46 pm

KlInsider just tweeted that they are releasing The Lavender Hill Mob, Kind Hearts and Coronets and The Man in the White Suite

Edit sorry thought this was new news

KJones77 · #1120 Post by **KJones77** » Fri Nov 30, 2018 12:26 am

captveg wrote: Thu Nov 29, 2018 8:36 pm
FrauBlucher wrote: Thu Nov 29, 2018 12:43 am According to the KLInsider.... Kino doesn't have any Bardot films. Which pretty much ensures Contempt will be returning to Criterion.
Unless it's simply remaining with Lionsgate. I get the feeling that SC is allowing Lionsgate to "keep" the handful of titles they released on Blu-ray in the US. Kino just announced Kind Hearts and Coronets, The Lavender Hill Mob and The Man in the White Suit, with The Ladykillers suspiciously absent. Combined with the KL Insider's statement that Ran "most likely stayed with Lionsgate as did many others," I wouldn't be surprised if that's the situation with Contempt.

KL Insider just confirmed Contempt stayed with Lionsgate.

FrauBlucher · #1121 Post by **FrauBlucher** » Fri Nov 30, 2018 12:48 am

I don't believe he knows. Two days after he said that about Ran, Janus posted on Twitter a shot of Ran. To me that is more of an indication than the Insider guy saying they are staying with Lionsgate. If you're a bluray.com forum member, ask him why Janus posted a picture of Ran.

Plus Domino makes a good point to take into consideration.... Here

movielocke · #1122 Post by **movielocke** » Fri Nov 30, 2018 1:28 am

FrauBlucher wrote:I don't believe he knows. Two days after he said that about Ran, Janus posted on Twitter a shot of Ran. To me that is more of an indication than the Insider guy saying they are staying with Lionsgate. If you're a bluray.com forum member, ask him why Janus posted a picture of Ran.

Plus Domino makes a good point to take into consideration.... Here

Funnily enough this link auto posts a picture of one of the New Years drawings in Tapatalk. Which made me jokingly think, ah the sixteen candles symbolize sixteen studio canal titles coming back in print.

Aka Sixteen canals

#1123 Post by **domino harvey** » Fri Nov 30, 2018 1:39 am

Don't worry, I've just banned movielocke

FrauBlucher · #1124 Post by **FrauBlucher** » Fri Nov 30, 2018 1:41 am

Brian C · #1125 Post by **Brian C** » Fri Nov 30, 2018 3:30 am

You gotta admit, though, that’s the best double clue ever.

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