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Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 1:56 am
by Kinsayder
I ought to add that I didn't much like the new soundtracks on the Pathé edition. There's a choice of 2.0 or 5.1 and they both sound overprocessed and metallic compared to the Criterion.
Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 2:54 am
by Matt
Kinsayder wrote:I ought to add that I didn't much like the new soundtracks on the Pathé edition. There's a choice of 2.0 or 5.1 and they both sound overprocessed and metallic compared to the Criterion.
There had to be a catch. This new DVD must be a testament to the improvements made in telecine technology and technique over the past five years--Criterion's transfer was done in hi-def from a fine-grain master from the Pathé restoration. Criterion surely won't revisit this one until an HD release since the current package is so good and an anamorphic transfer is not an option as it was with most of the other recent reissues.
Posted: Sun Dec 24, 2006 5:33 am
by Matt
Couldn't resist posting this. Here's ol' Joan and Fred in "the Bavarian number" from
Dancing Lady (R1 Warner Bros.) "Here in Bavaria / They take good care of ya!"

Posted: Sun Dec 24, 2006 4:56 pm
by Matt
davidhare wrote:Only from MGM!
Yes, and please do note that the rug they are standing on is a flying carpet. I mean, that's how they got to Bavaria, after all.
Posted: Sun Dec 24, 2006 4:59 pm
by Steven H
...and people wonder what Kitsch is?
Posted: Sun Dec 24, 2006 8:48 pm
by Hashi
Posted: Sun Dec 24, 2006 11:25 pm
by carax09
I think these caps illustrate what Gary Tooze refers to as a "thick" look. Ugh...
Posted: Thu Dec 28, 2006 2:07 pm
by Gofter
Posted: Thu Dec 28, 2006 8:23 pm
by colinr0380
Steven H wrote:...and people wonder what Kitsch is?
Is that the name of the flying carpet manufacturer?
Posted: Mon Jan 01, 2007 7:00 am
by domino harvey
Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 4:48 am
by Ornette
Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 5:12 am
by marty
Ornette wrote:The Emigrants (Jan Troell, 1972) R2 SF
I really feel for all of you non-Scandinavians out there becasue of SF's decision not to include English subs on this truly remarkable and touching film...
They probably don't have English subs to prevent the DVD being sold overseas, especially to the bigger English-speaking territories.
Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 9:14 pm
by Kinsayder
La Règle du jeu (Rules of the Game)
Montparnasse French R2 vs Criterion
Note that this is the 2-disc 2005 reissue of the Montparnasse, not the 1999 edition reviewed in the
DVD Beaver comparison.
Optional French subs only on the Montparnasse.
Criterion (top) vs Montparnasse (bottom):
Criterion (top) vs Montparnasse (bottom):
Criterion (top) vs Montparnasse (bottom):
Criterion (top) vs Montparnasse (bottom):

Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 3:07 pm
by Gofter
Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 7:40 am
by devlinnn
Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 4:04 am
by Michael Kerpan
Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 5:42 pm
by vogler
Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 11:57 pm
by Kinsayder
Boudu sauvé des eaux (Pathé R2)
Optional French subs. 5.1 or stereo.
No original mono. No English subs.
The Beaver comparison between the Criterion and the Optimum (UK) is
here.

Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 5:25 am
by HerrSchreck
Is it me or is that BOUDU edge-enhanced off the map??
Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 9:06 am
by HerrSchreck
I don't mind grain if it's inherent in the materials. I just don't like seeing an overly manipulated image, and particularly in the narrow shadow borders on the clothing fabric and automobile edges in the first & second caps, it looks a bit excessively manipulated-- it doesn't even look like film anymore to me. It looks like they took the same fine grain in the Janus and edge-enhanced & contrast-hyped the thing into total plasticity.
That's just me, though, and was curious if others saw the same thing.
Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 1:23 pm
by Kinsayder
To be honest, it didn't bother me while I was watching it, and I was using a projector and I'm normally quite picky about these things (the edge enhancement in the Masterpiece Collection Vertigo was a major distraction for me). In terms of grain, the image on the new "restored" Pathé is not much different from the old interlaced René Chateau edition ("Image et son d'origine")...
..though Pathé have removed a lot of scratches and made the new transfer progressive.
My main complaint about the new edition, as with all the recent Pathé Classique editions I've sampled including "Les Enfants du paradis", is the rejiggered soundtrack: digital dogs, birds and traffic barking, tweeting and tooting in the rear speakers, and an ugly metallic timbre in the voices. And no original mono.
Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 11:48 am
by Knappen
Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 11:28 pm
by Kinsayder
Novyy Vavilon / The New Babylon
French R2 (75')
Russian intertitles / French subtitles
Piano score (uncredited)

Love the way Kozintsev backlights his subjects:

Lots of compression artifacting:

Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 12:03 am
by Michael Kerpan
The screen shots of New Babylon look about 1000 times better than the rubbishy video released by Facets.
Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 5:12 am
by Michael Kerpan