Twilight Time / Redwind

[senseabove]

Maybe this should become the "trade your TT Going Out of Business blind buys" thread after the sale's over and the label's totally kaput.

[Apperson]

Looking at the obscene amount I've put down I'm not opposed to the idea, although it takes a lot for me regularly to trade in blu-rays I've bought. I think I've traded in maybe 4 discs in ever.

[hearthesilence]

I think I still have my TT copy of Fat City - if that's sold out, will happily sell or trade that to anybody.

[L.A.]

Short Night of Glass Dolls is...ok. Not crazy about most of it, but the ending’s cool. If you like other gialli, you probably can’t go wrong for $8.95.

Cheers.

[L.A.]

Noticed a little mistake which I corrected. I accidentally typed Satan’s Baby Doll but I meant The Doll of Satan. Sorry guys.

[Telstar]

Maybe this should become the "trade your TT Going Out of Business blind buys" thread after the sale's over and the label's totally kaput.

Well, if anyone is considering blind buying I Want to Live, I'll take it off your hands if you wind up hating it.

[swo17]

Alright, well I have some TTs I'll sell here for basically what I originally paid including shipping. All opened titles are in like new condition. Prices include my shipping it to you, but I'll take $2 off for every title beyond the first one that anyone orders.

Beat the Devil (John Huston) $25
The Best of Everything (Jean Negulesco) $15 - SOLD
Man Hunt (Fritz Lang) (opened) $30 - SOLD
10 Rillington Place (Richard Fleischer) $25
Stanley & Iris (Martin Ritt) (opened) $15
Wild at Heart (David Lynch) (opened) $35

The Front (Martin Ritt) (opened, signed by Andrea Marcovicci) FREE along with another title if you declare yourself a fan of Andrea Marcovicci

I also ordered an obscene amount of unseen titles from this latest sale, several of which I expect to eventually add to this listing

[Glowingwabbit]

From Twilight Time:

When we made our store closing announcement on Sunday, we could never have imagined the response from thousands of film collectors who have all come forward to place their final orders with us.

We are incredibly grateful for every one of your orders, and your support of Twilight Time to the bitter end.

As many of you have noted in the past two months, our ability to ship orders in high volume has been impeded by COVID-19, as our warehouse workers are required to follow stringent safety protocols for their protection and yours. This means that we can only process a certain number of shipments per day.

Unfortunately, we have received such a massive influx of thousands of orders in the past 3 days that our warehouse has informed us it will take a few weeks to fully catch up on shipments. All orders are being shipped out in the order received, and our warehouse is working 7 days a week to attempt to get through this backlog as fast as possible.

We ask your patience and understanding while we work diligently to meet this unprecedented demand. Please note that emails to our support staff may also be slightly delayed in receiving a response, as we are also fielding a great number of inquiries at the moment.

Thank you for your support and understanding!

I suspected this would be the case but have no problem waiting.

[Luke M]

I wonder if they had originally sold their movies for the current sale prices they'd still be in business.

[tenia]

I wonder if they had originally sold their movies for the current sale prices they'd still be in business.

Same here. I'm quite curious, more generally, about how many movies sold out at regular prices vs how many sold out because of the sales.

[domino harvey]

I don’t think any non-genre movies ever sold out without the benefit of sales. Their prices and “selling point” of a feature almost no one uses (isolated music tracks) and hardly any market competition when they started became quickly ridiculous once Olive and Kino Lorber started doing what they were doing for far, far less and from normal retailers. I also cannot stand the attitude of “We’re doing you a favor, you should be grateful” from TT, one lapped up and parroted back by its fervent defenders on the Blu-Ray.com forum. And then the arrogance of declaring the format dead due to their own dwindling sales? (Insert chef’s kiss here)

[doctordre]

I wonder if they had originally sold their movies for the current sale prices they'd still be in business.

Their original prices factored in 3,000 unit limit, ongoing overhead, and supporting future releases so it’s probably less of a concern now.

[dwk]

I wonder if they had originally sold their movies for the current sale prices they'd still be in business.

Maybe, maybe not. Nick Redman's death and Fox being bought by Disney were undoubtedly two big factors in them shutting down.

Having said that, this does show the unsustainability of the straight limited edition model when dealing with mainstream or relatively mainstream titles. Especially when said limited editions offer nothing above what you can get from other labels' releases.

[Drucker]

My feeling on Twilight Time has always been that there are, at any moment, a few dozen blu rays I would like to own that I don't. And given the superior product offered by their competitors, superior price point by competitors, and the frequent likelihood that their version would have a shortcoming that was later corrected, I could almost never justify buying their product. The films they are releasing were never really my taste so I'm sure others may disagree, but is there a TT disc that exists in another edition where the TT is the definitive one?

[swo17]

The Song of Bernadette?

[tenia]

Maybe, maybe not. Nick Redman's death and Fox being bought by Disney were undoubtedly two big factors in them shutting down.

But these shouldn't be, should they ? Especially the Fox lockdown : all labels are in the end blocked by this, but they're not going to shut down because of this. As for Redman's passing, my understanding is that he was doing most of the team's cohesion and with him gone, it pretty much got torn apart internally.

To me, they should have survived both of these, and it's mostly their inflexible model that prevented them to be able to go forward.

[Drucker]

The Song of Bernadette?

You got me!

[domino harvey]

But at least they left behind them a legacy of the most consistently awful array of covers of any boutique label (or any label, period, save maybe Alpha Video)

[swo17]

Lack of flexibility is a key issue. Note that Indicator essentially adopted their model with a few key differences

[dwk]

Maybe, maybe not. Nick Redman's death and Fox being bought by Disney were undoubtedly two big factors in them shutting down.

But these shouldn't be, should they ? Especially the Fox lockdown : all labels are in the end blocked by this, but they're not going to shut down because of this. As for Redman's passing, my understanding is that he was doing most of the team's cohesion and with him gone, it pretty much got torn apart internally.

To me, they should have survived both of these, and it's mostly their inflexible model that prevented them to be able to go forward.

Sony and Fox were the two companies that TT worked with the most and the damage of cutting off that one major source of titles cant be overstated.

Other labels havent really been hurt by the Fox lockdown because Fox was never the major source of titles for them.

[domino harvey]

Kino Lorber Studio Classics released a ton

[tenia]

Sony and Fox were the two companies that TT worked with the most and the damage of cutting off that one major source of titles cant be overstated.

Other labels havent really been hurt by the Fox lockdown because Fox was never the major source of titles for them.

I'm not saying Fox's lockdown isn't a factor, but that there were certainly ways around that, just like any other label has been doing since (Indicator have also released many Fox titles, though Sony is their main source). So why TT didn't diversify to avoid such a situation of putting all their eggs in the same basket ?

Note that it's been very difficult to obtain Fox titles since 2018, but TT's sales peaked in 2016 to plummet in 2017. The Fox issues actually only came later. Licences prices have also gone up, something that I doubt was unique to them.

Again, it's hard not to feel some kind of risky nonchalance at TT about their model and their sources.

[domino harvey]

TT also licensed from the same studios as Indicator and/or KLSC: Sony, StudioCanal, and Universal. They weren’t just a Fox outlet. But because they took forever, theirs were some of the last Fox titles released, so it just felt like it

[Cronenfly]

Does anyone foresee another drop in prices? I already got what I wanted most but was considering a second order. $12 each for most is a fair price but what with the expensive shipping and trying to triage what I’m spending on this, I’m kind of feeling like I should wait a little. I won’t be too broken up if anything on my list sells out, anyways.

[domino harvey]

I don’t think any but the latest titles with an existent large stock are going to make it to June before they sell out, so no, prices are about as low as they’re gonna get