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Gregory
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Cheyenne Autumn (John Ford, 1964)

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In the discussion of The Searchers, Ford's Cheyenne Autumn came up, specifically the question of whether the film fulfilled its stated goal of righting the wrongs of the standard portrayal of Indian culture and history, or lack thereof. I watched it again a couple days ago and also started reading the outstanding Mari Sandoz book start to finish but have not yet reached the end. And I still haven't had time to listen to all of McBride's DVD commentary. I'm in a harried state, not only leaving town for a week tomorrow but also preparing to move in less than a month. Nonetheless, I wanted to share some of my thoughts on this, as promised, even though I'm not in the best place for such a discussion. Anyway, enough disclaimers.

The film is a real disappointment in many ways, notably in Ford's inability or unwillingness to seriously challenge the generic conventions and formulae of the Hollywood western and its portrayal of Native Americans. I do not mean to say that all of these conventions are bad per se. But in this instance -- a film aimed at righting wrongs with respect to the "Hollywood Indian" not only in Ford's earlier cavalry films but in western films in general -- adherence to these conventions seems to have hamstrung the effort, not to mention the lack of inspiration and imagination displayed in the film, for which more violation of convention might have been the antidote. Of course Ford was working under the studio system, and even the greatest Hollywood directors turned out a disappointing film every now and then. I don't want my comments to seem unfair to Ford or unduly harsh. I love Ford at his best, but this film happens to have many flaws -- too many for me to try to discuss, so I'll focus my critique on the topic I stated at the outset.

I believe that Ford sincerely intended the film to be a chance to "show their [the Indians'] point of view for a change," as he said. Whether it succeeded is quite another matter. The film is certainly centered on the Indians, but that's hardly the same thing as being from their point of view. Like nearly every Indian-themed Hollywood film, the story is told overwhelmingly through the stories of white characters, in this case Widmark and numerous others who encounter the Cheyennes in some way and figure into their story for the period depicted in the film. Related to this, the first characters developed (and arguably those developed most fully) were white. The importance of these matters of voice and perspective are of broad significance, and all I can do here is touch upon it. What it meant for Cheyenne Autumn was an inability to move beyond stereotypical portrayals of native characters: the hostile warrior or the proud, noble savage.

The portrayals of some of the white characters are similarly two-dimensional. We are shown a push-and-pull between good whites (represented by Carroll Baker's schoolteacher) and evil whites, (represented by Karl Malden's character). It's interesting to rethink the schoolteacher's determination in teaching the Cheyenne English in light of what we've subsequently learned about the effects of American Indian residential schools, whose stated purpose was to wipe out Indian culture through assimilation. I'm not arguing that was the conscious intention of Baker's character, but there are related issues that merit consideration. Malden's ruthless German poses interesting cultural questions, too. Surely the Nazis were brought to audiences' minds by his accent and the fact that a huge portion of his lines had to do with how orders are orders, and orders must be carried out, and authority must be obeyed. I'm not sure whether this effectively provided viewers on some level an ideological link between fascism and 19th century U.S. ethnic cleansing, or whether it rather amounted to an unconscious transference of culpability within the film's narrative onto an enemy familiar to modern audiences. These questions are what make the film so interesting to me, despite its flaws.

Getting back to Cheyenne Autumn as a vehicle for neglected Native American culture and history, I observed a general feel of inauthenticity throughout it. Of course, some American Indian scholars object to the adherence to the conventional practice of casting non-native actors in every major native role. However, I don't blame Ford for this. He wanted to cast Navajo actors in the lead Cheyenne roles, but the studio forced him to use the big-name actors who appear in the film, or at least so McBride has it. There are also fundamental problems that come from conflating different indigenous cultures, as westerns including Ford's so often did. This is illustrated well by Tony Hillerman's novel Sacred Clowns in which Navajo people watch Cheyenne Autumn at a drive-in to laugh at the Navajo performances as Cheyenne and at the jokes and obscenities in their native language they smuggled into the film, ostensibly portraying the Cheyenne speaking their own language. (I haven't read this novel firsthand -- thanks to Douglas Pye for the reference).

Beyond this are more troubling instances of inauthenticity, which contribute to the film's inability to convincingly depict Cheyenne life, at the times in the film when there is even an opportunity for such an attempt to be made. Given the importance of the relationship between culture and environment, what could have motivated him to take events that occurred in the plains states and filmed them in Monument Valley? This is really just the tip of the iceberg. Comparing Mari Sandoz's great book (and other sources) with the film shows just how many crucial parts of the history were left out. I find the language of the opening credits fitting, which tells us that the film was "suggested by" Sandoz's novel. The film deviated from the book so severely that all that was left to connect the two was a mere suggestion. Perhaps if she had been brought on as a consultant the film might have not only been more historically accurate but would have felt more true-to-life.

I should state that this is but one example of my hesitations about the ways that substantive liberties are taken with cinematic treatments of historical subjects. The problem is that audiences are so easily fooled into thinking that such history-themed films are representations of reality. I do not propose to limit filmmakers' creative freedoms but I do think that a disclaimer should be shown before such films to spell out that what people are about to see is a work of fiction and that because many fundamental changes have been made in adapting the story from the actual events it should not be considered a work of history. On the contrary, many fictionalized historical films are actually passed off as works to learn from, with no discussion of the changes the filmmakers made to known historical facts, for example Spielberg's Amistad, which was sent to history classrooms across the country with suggested lesson plans from the studio. Cheyenne Autumn seems to have had some similar pretentions, judging from the "Cheyenne Autumn Trail" short (included on the DVD) which purported to narrate the history of the Cheyenne journey to their homeland, interspersed with clips from the film.

In the final analysis, what distinguishes this film is the perhaps that it signals the beginning of a change of emphasis from one stereotype (the vicious Indian warrior) to the other (the proud, doomed Indian). Aside from what Ford's personal wishes might have been, I think there is some irony in the studio's motivation to produce this. Remember the New York Globe editor's speech to his staff in the film. He throws down an assortment of the competitors' product and says,
Take your pick. They're all saying the same things we're saying: bloodthirsty savages on the loose, burning, killing, violating beautiful white women. It's not news anymore. We're going to take a different tack. From now on we're going to grieve for the noble red man. We'll sell more papers that way.
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Well, since it was I who was referring to this movie in The Searchers thread, I guess I ought to speak up here, too. As always, you've posted a lot of interesting and thoughtful comments, Gregory, so it's a little difficult to know where to begin. Rather than address each of your points, however, I'll just throw out a few of my own ideas about Cheyenne Autumn, some of which relate to what you've posted.

First, I do agree that CA is a deeply flawed film -- certainly not a masterpiece like Searchers or Liberty Valence (the latter offerring a far more incisive challenge to the conventions of the Western genre). The casting of Anglo or Hispanic actors in Native American roles is problematic, especially since, as McBride points out in his commentary, Ford was given the option of casting actors who actually had some Native American blood. Perhaps Anthony Quinn and Richard Boone wouldn't have been any less problematic than Montalban and Roland if you're a stickler for total accuracy/authenticity (since Ford wasn't terribly concerned with casting real-life Cheyennes, but instead relied on his regular Navajo extras), but that sort of gesture towards authenticity might have helped to defuse a major objection.

Even worse, however, is Ford's ultimately paternalistic attitude towards the Indians. At the end, Edward G. Robinson's character turns up in deus ex machina form for a slightly more "feel-good" ending. Plus, as Gregory points out, Ford resists sustaining a genuine Indian point of view, relying instead on supposedly more sympathetic white characters, and even when Ford does focus on the Native Americans, he seems to be overcompensating by emphasizing their stoicism, nobility, and fatalism.

Nevertheless, despite these problems, I still find much to admire in the movie:

1. The cinematography is stunning. (Perhaps this is an obvious point -- and irrelevant to the objections above -- but still needs to be said.)

2. I still admire Ford's attempt to produce a mea culpa here. In virtually every other talkie Western Ford made (My Darling Clementine and Liberty Valence being exceptions), the Indians were the villains, and the white heroes achieve their heroism through the dispossession/destruction of the Indians -- either directly or (in the case of Wayne's character in Fort Apache) indirectly. Cheyenne Autumn's major accomplishment is that Ford turns the logic of his past films on its head. As I pointed out in the thread for The Searchers, the villains of Cheyenne Autumn are all white. All of the pain and suffering the Cheyenne endure are directly attributable to the actions of white men. Perhaps Ford doesn't go far enough on this point, but it's still a major turn-around from one of the greatest practioners of the Western.

3. Even though Ford does not sustain the Indian POV, he still manages to do something that is quite impressive -- even by today's Hollywood standards. Rather than portraying the Cheyenne as some monolithic society, where every member accepts his or her role (which is how most Hollywood films portray non-white societies), Ford highlights the internal politics of the tribe, including some very sharp rivalries and disagreements: there is conflict between the two key leaders, the tribe eventually splits into two halves, Sal Mineo's hot-headed character is at odds with his elders and eventually crosses lines that offend others within the tribe, etc. This is something that McBride doesn't really pick up on, but I think it's very important, especially in light of the more or less faceless, monolithic presence Native Americans form in other Westerns.

4. In conjunction with Two Rode Together, another flawed Ford film that I like quite a lot, Cheyenne Autumn also rejects the implication of earlier Ford films that Native Americans had to be -- or were doomed to be -- entirely ejected/eradicated from U.S. culture. The trade-off of the deus ex machina ending is that we see Ford himself making a place for the Native Americans, where they may not thrive as before but can continue to exist. And although he is rewriting and sugar-coating history a bit here, it's still a touching gesture. (In Two Rode Together, like The Searchers, a woman who has had sex with an Indian is returned to white society -- though the later film follows the subsequent difficulties of the woman and the hypocrisy of the other white characters' attitudes towards her, which doesn't happen once Natalie Wood returns at the end of The Searchers.)

Those are my major thoughts on the film as a whole. Here are a couple of responses to Gregory's post:

1.) Re. Karl Malden's distinctly German identity: I think you're right that Malden's German accent can be read as a way of distancing Anglo Americans from his actions, though your suggestion that it might also be a means of connecting America's genocidal history with that of Nazi Germany's is intriguing. Either way, it doesn't overturn the fact that the cruelest actions we witness are carried out by Anglo Americans (i.e., the cowboys who shoot and scalp an Indian just for "fun" before they enter Dodge City).

2.) Re. Carroll Baker's suspect attempts to assimilate the Cheyenne: Your point is well-taken, and having read some of the Sioux accounts of forced Anglicization (by Zitkala-Sa and others), I'm very much aware of this rather dark point in American education. However, I think it's important to remember that Baker's character is Quaker, and Quakers had by far the best ethical record in their dealings with Native Americans. Baker's Quaker-ness, of course, makes her romance with army captain Widmark all the more illogical, but Ford's decision to make her character a Quaker was almost certainly purposeful.

Finally, I happen to like the James Stewart interlude in the middle of Cheyenne Autumn. The fact that it comes out of nowhere is actually what I find brilliant about it. It's so unexpected and nonsensical that it provides a really fascinating contrast to the main action, especially when it's set to Alex North's score (probably the most daring of all Ford scores).

Like my comments for The Searchers, I'm not trying to argue that we should read Ford as a politically radical filmmaker. He simply wasn't. But I really do sense that he was dealing with his own filmmaking history, and that's what's so fascinating about Cheyenne Autumn. As someone else has pointed out on this forum, each of Ford's films become more significant in light of the others; that is, he creates a private universe (like, say, William Faulkner) that is so interconnected that it's difficult to interpret one of his films without also understanding the rest of his output.
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Ford was absolutely right to cut the Dodge City scene for the original release. It's a miserable bit of low comedy completely inessential to and unintegrated with the film and it just goes on and on. Ford was normally very good at weaving warm, character-driven comedic bits into even his most serious films, but this one just stops the film cold.

A very good 100-minute film could have been hewn out of what's here if anyone had thought to do so. The 1960s epic revival seems to have been just as disastrous an influence on filmmaking as the current revival.
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This is an extremely problematic 'apologia' film if intended as such and I agree with all that has been said above. All those partonisingly kind-hearted teachers and cavalry officers ring totally hollow to me, especially when the Cheyenne in the film are constantly shown as firing the first shots in the war (trigger happy even at the final reconciliation scene), being stubborn, and generally being "guided by the instincts of a wounded animal". While our white heroes teach them English, stand up for them where it counts (with the white authorities) rather than making a noble but pointless stand, and then admonish their new friends to "take a chance" at being integrated into society by exchanging their peace pipes for cigars.

It is kind of a wonky version of Spartacus where we spend the entire time looking at Spartacus through the eyes of the Romans. That happens in Spartacus too (for some of its best scenes even), so perhaps the lack of a Kirk Douglas-type charismatic leader is part of what turns the Cheyenne here into downtrodden trudging masses with a few arguing middle-manager types guiding them. It doesn't help that the moral aspects have mostly been transferred over onto the schoolteacher and Widmark characters.

While I do agree with Matt that the James Stewart 'urban' section is totally out of nowhere, too late in the film for such a tonal shift, and kind of pointless, I am often grateful for it whenever I rewatch the film as finally there is something amusing and vibrant occurring away from stodgy speechifying and noble bearings. It might just be sound and fury signifying nothing much at all, but that helps to create that sense of a media whipped up frenzy amongst the townsfolk riding out for a spot of the old drunken ultraviolence on any Cheyenne they see, or at least some lynchings.

Finally that is showing Ford exploring theme through action rather than didacticism. But it is out of place, and more than anything else this well observed but tending to the abstract sequence exploring character psychology highlights that the film has absolutely no insight into its Native American characters, or any way of actually keeping them the focus of the film for that huge chunk of the film.
Gregory wrote:The portrayals of some of the white characters are similarly two-dimensional. We are shown a push-and-pull between good whites (represented by Carroll Baker's schoolteacher) and the evil whites, (represented by Karl Malden's character). It's interesting to rethink the schoolteacher's determination in teaching the Cheyenne English, in light of what we've subsequently learned about the effects of American Indian residential schools, whose stated purpose was to wipe out Indian culture through assimilation. I'm not arguing that her conscious intention was such, but there are related issues that merit consideration. Malden's ruthless German poses interesting cultural questions, too. Surely the Nazis were brought to audiences' minds by his accent and the fact that a huge portion of his lines had to do with how orders are orders, and orders must be carried out, and authority must be obeyed. I'm not sure whether this effectively provided viewers on some level an ideological link between fascism and 19th century U.S. ethnic cleansing, or whether it rather amounted to an unconscious transference of culpability within the film's narrative onto an enemy familiar to modern audiences. These questions are what make the film so interesting to me, despite its flaws.
I agree about that German accented officer 'just following orders' portrayal, but strangely he ends up being one of the more sympathetic characters of the film. After all he isn't interested in using or deceiving or reneging on his decisions, unlike even the heroic characters of the film. I would perhaps be less suspicious of the Malden character's motivations than those of the officers who take the opportunity to arrest him (and then amusingly immediately pass the buck by shifting command and responsibility back to him in the aftermath of the Cheyenne massacre and escape at the fort!) or Edward G. Robinson's character entreating the Cheyenne to 'take a chance' on him at the ending.

Interestingly, as Kurosawa is often described as a fan of Ford's films, did anyone get a sense of Hidetora walking away from his burning palace in Ran from Malden's madman's walk through the fallen bodies in the courtyard of the fort and out of the front gates?
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I'm glad to see this thread come back and to read the interesting comments above from Colin and everyone. I don't think I have much to add about Cheyenne Autumn, but it's interesting to consider the current state of Indian voices and representations, with Sherman Alexie still being one of the most influential writers but one whose work has never successfully made the transition to film, IMO, and with very little else of interest happening except far, far below the radar of public consciousness.
At the moment, Tonto, who is arguably the most visible Indian representation in all of pop culture, is poised to reemerge, played by Johnny Depp (I swear, this guy wears more feathers than Ke$ha and Bjork combined) in a Bruckheimer-produced Lone Ranger "reboot" created by the same writers and director that brought us the Pirates of the Caribbean films (no comment). Meanwhile, for example, what has happened to Native Century, the four-part series developed by Chris Eyre (enrolled Cheyenne), which planned to examine Native people in the modern era? Totally abandoned? Not to get off-topic or anything.
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Well, if you live in Massachusetts, the most prominent depiction of First Nations people over the last year or so was Scott Brown's campaign whipping out some pretty astonishing redface caricatures in a bizarrely misguided series of attacks on Elizabeth Warren- which, to me, indicates that it's one of the areas where racial sensitivity hasn't progressed all that much. And of course, there are still the Indians and the Redskins and what have you.
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Gregory wrote:I'm not sure whether this effectively provided viewers on some level an ideological link between fascism and 19th century U.S. ethnic cleansing, or whether it rather amounted to an unconscious transference of culpability within the film's narrative onto an enemy familiar to modern audiences.
I think the film is actually more explicit than you suggest in making this connection. When the Cheyenne are imprisoned and left to starve in the empty warehouse by Malden, Mike Mazurki's Polish sergeant says with grim dissapointment that "We're not the Cossacks anymore." We've already heard him tell Widmark in an earlier conversation that his memories of Cossack brutality have led him to detest the American treatment of the Cheyenne, so his later remark begs the question, "Who are we now?" The only satisfactory answer, and the one that must have occurred to a Post-Nuremberg audience, is the Nazis.
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Definitely a thought-provoking line. Yet I don't think the film delivers on that idea. There is considerable cruelty and callousness in the film, but still not really profound racism manifested in government policy toward Indians as well, in the actions of some individuals with respect to them, and in a whole culture, even though, I would argue, that was the historical reality. This is one area where I think the accuracy issue matters: historical films are typically more interesting if they deal with actual historical events and processes, even if they involve fictionalized people and situations.
Back to my point about whether there is shown to be actual hatred and deep-seated racism in the film, which would have developed the connection to Nazism, Tag Gallagher gets at this question quite well: "It is comforting to imagine that genocide is the product of evil, sadistic people and so to shift the blame for a holocaust away from ourselves. Alas, Ford indicts every white person: the brutely mechanical army is merely the visible agent of policies engendered by government, press, and average citizen. But they are not sadists. Even Wessels, the arch caricature, is humane and compassionate, a student of Indian culture while the trailhands who shoot Indians for fun are no more sadistic than rabbit hunters. No reason explains genocide except that the Cheyenne want to live and that everyone [else] is myopic."
It's difficult to make the film square with actual historical processes because, as Gallagher says, "Its action is not so much genocide as the sway of absurdity." The Cheyenne go homeward seeking reason, but almost nothing occurs with reason, he says. Everyone seems to act merely instinctually. His later rhetorical question is: "A tiny herd collides with a gigantic one; is anyone responsible?" So the forces at work in this telling of the story are so obscure and devoid of conflicts with reasons that make sense, I think, that the film easily becomes dull, its impact greatly blunted.
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FerdinandGriffon wrote:
Gregory wrote:I'm not sure whether this effectively provided viewers on some level an ideological link between fascism and 19th century U.S. ethnic cleansing, or whether it rather amounted to an unconscious transference of culpability within the film's narrative onto an enemy familiar to modern audiences.
I think the film is actually more explicit than you suggest in making this connection. When the Cheyenne are imprisoned and left to starve in the empty warehouse by Malden, Mike Mazurki's Polish sergeant says with grim dissapointment that "We're not the Cossacks anymore." We've already heard him tell Widmark in an earlier conversation that his memories of Cossack brutality have led him to detest the American treatment of the Cheyenne, so his later remark begs the question, "Who are we now?" The only satisfactory answer, and the one that must have occurred to a Post-Nuremberg audience, is the Nazis.
Watching that section now, although it couldn't have been considered back in 1964 when the film was made, the thing that comes most to my mind is the IRA hunger strikers. Malden is sort of lost (and trapped in a Catch-22 situation) in just wanting the Cheyenne to know their place in the system and go back to their reservation and then lashes out in anger by taking away their supplies when they insist on either moving on or dying where they are being held rather than going back to being sequestered, which just makes him seem even more of a callous monster.

This is a fascinating section of the film because it is suggesting that loyalty to the organisation doesn't automatically result in support in return. Malden ends up becoming the sacrificial figure for his blunt actions, which are exposing the lack of easy black and white perspectives too much, and that everyone else is operating on shades of grey to get what they want.
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This film will be airing on TCM on 10am Thursday January 10th, conveniently enough.
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