Murdoch wrote:I see it as...applying the TV model of dragging a plot out to its furthest possible conclusion to movies.
Surely they're applying the "comic books" model?
mfunk wrote:I'm much less concerned about snobbery than I am some form of judgment passed on the people who enjoy those films, which Scorsese wasn't doing. Surely he sees the value in theme park attractions, even if they aren't his bag personally. But if "snobbery" = not grinning and nodding agreeably at mass marketed products that will do just fine without that grin and nod, then I don't see any problem with being a snob.
It's not merely a difference of opinion, tho'. It's that his difference of opinion is lofty enough to give him the right to exclude this series from some basic categories. It's more than a simple value judgement to say something is both not cinema and
not human, which is the thrust of his "doesn't contain human interaction" comment.
His criticism is also unfortunate since Marvel is better at human interaction than any other action blockbuster out there. Bay's Transformers
films? Not a human moment in them. Mostly people scream at and antagonize each other. The DC films? Jesus, no (except maybe Wonder Woman
, because I haven't seen it). Roland Emmerich movies? Nope. The last couple X Men
or Pirates of the Caribbean
films? Uh uh. None of them has a scene like in Winter Soldier
(a merely ok movie it must be said) where Captain America and Falcon quietly share their dislocation at returning from war to a world whose comforts they're unable to find comfortable. A quiet moment of connection between two alienated people--it's, well, adequately done in the scheme of things, but has twice the humanity of anything in a Bay or Snyder film. And you find those kind of moments peppered throughout this series. And there's a reason: unlike the vast majority of action blockbuster filmmakers, deep down the Marvel people care about these characters. They grew up reading Captain America and Hulk and Spiderman comics. They want to make big event films with astonishing action and thrills that make tons of money and are safe, etc, etc. But they also want to see their favourite characters treated properly, and they do their best to include purely human, emotional moments for these characters that most blockbuster filmmakers would avoid or treat as perfunctory. Next to all that, it's hard not see much of the criticism against Marvel as a lack of charity. They are slightly better than the competition at a lot of the things they're (often rightly) criticized for.
I'd have to ask those defending Scorsese's comments: how much of your solidarity here is principle and how much just comes from already agreeing with him? What if he turned these same comments towards a part of consumer culture you do like? What if he declared Godzilla films not cinema? Or Mr. Moto and Charlie Chan programmers? Or early 2000s torture porn? What if he declared Kanye West not music? Or hip hop dancing not dancing? How much would it take for you to find these kinds of comments unfair?