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Re: Studio Canal / Kinowelt / Optimum

#1926 Post by Matt » Thu Oct 21, 2021 7:09 pm

Matt wrote:
Finch wrote:
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SC UK also have a Jacques Becker title, 1945's Falbalas.
Trying to find someone who will ship it to the US without charging more for shipping than for the disc itself
I ended up ordering the French DVD+BD from Fnac. Shipping still cost more than the disc itself, but the disc is identical (includes French and German audio and French HOH, English, and German subtitles) and I received it ONE day after the street date.

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#1927 Post by Pepsi » Fri Oct 22, 2021 4:30 pm

Tavernier box (German).
https://www.media-dealer.de/index.php?c ... 3539690706

There's a picture of the back cover. It dosent promise good. Only one film has Englsih subs. If its accurate.

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#1928 Post by MichaelB » Sat Oct 23, 2021 12:22 pm

mhofmann wrote:
Wed Oct 13, 2021 3:19 pm
Things I noticed at quick glance:
- 'La Guerre sans nom' is on one disc, with all its 4 hours. Encoding could of course be better.
I suspect that last sentence translates as "The bitrate could of course be higher", because I'd argue that 25mbps is in fact absolutely fine for a film like this with lots of talking-head interviews and rostrum stills (the main feature file is a whopping 46.7 gigs), and a quick spin through the disc suggests that I'm unlikely to have any problems with it.

Very happy to confirm that the extras disc is 100% English-friendly as well, the extras in question being a 16-minute discussion between Bertrand Tavernier and co-writer Patrick Rotman, and a 50-minute interview with historian Vincent Martigny.

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#1929 Post by Fiery Angel » Sat Oct 23, 2021 12:52 pm

are there English-friendly extras with any of the English-friendly films?

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#1930 Post by kekid » Sat Oct 23, 2021 12:55 pm

Pepsi wrote:
Fri Oct 22, 2021 4:30 pm
Tavernier box (German).
https://www.media-dealer.de/index.php?c ... 3539690706

There's a picture of the back cover. It dosent promise good. Only one film has Englsih subs. If its accurate.
If you click on the "Specifications" tab in the table next to the graphic, you will see that Subtitles are provided in German and English.

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#1931 Post by MichaelB » Sat Oct 23, 2021 1:00 pm

Fiery Angel wrote:
Sat Oct 23, 2021 12:52 pm
are there English-friendly extras with any of the English-friendly films?
I haven't been through all of them yet, but Une Semaine de Vacances is completely English-friendly, including the making-of doc and the 25-minute critical analysis.

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#1932 Post by eerik » Sat Oct 23, 2021 1:35 pm

Didn't see it posted here yet, but it looks like Studiocanal are going to beat Kino Lorber with the 4K UHD release of Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy. German release is listed for 2nd December, will surely coincide with UK release.
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#1933 Post by MichaelB » Sat Oct 23, 2021 1:38 pm

eerik wrote:
Sat Oct 23, 2021 1:35 pm
Didn't see it posted here yet, but it looks like Studiocanal are going to beat Kino Lorber with the 4K UHD release of Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy. German release is listed for 4nd December, will surely coincide with UK release.
A very safe bet, I'd have thought, if only for economy-of-scale manufacturing reasons.

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#1934 Post by mhofmann » Sun Oct 24, 2021 3:58 am

MichaelB wrote:
Sat Oct 23, 2021 12:22 pm
mhofmann wrote:
Wed Oct 13, 2021 3:19 pm
Things I noticed at quick glance:
- 'La Guerre sans nom' is on one disc, with all its 4 hours. Encoding could of course be better.
I suspect that last sentence translates as "The bitrate could of course be higher", because I'd argue that 25mbps is in fact absolutely fine for a film like this with lots of talking-head interviews and rostrum stills (the main feature file is a whopping 46.7 gigs), and a quick spin through the disc suggests that I'm unlikely to have any problems with it.
Sure, the bit-rate could be higher given the source material. More accurately, I should have said "the compressed video could be more transparent to the source."

Given that 4 hours of noisy footage are packed onto one disc, it actually looks fairly reasonable. This doesn't change the fact that there are compression artifacts everywhere and that I notice them very easily on my large-screen TV. One can even see where the I-frames are in many scenes (or at least I assume that's what's happening), due to a pulsing effect in the quality of the noise pattern.
I'm assuming that splitting the main feature onto two discs and/or more careful encoding could have avoided all of this.

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#1935 Post by EddieLarkin » Sun Oct 24, 2021 4:11 am

25mpbs should in theory be adequate for most content, but only if you've got someone like David M at the controls. Once you give a blind chimp this sort of bitrate to work with the results can be disastrous. Criterion's War and Peace averages at over 20mbps and it is easily the most noticeably horribly compressed disc I've seen in recent memory. The majority of the film is a blocky digital soup of shit, and it's a tragedy that Criterion didn't go for 3 discs over 2, as although pretty much everything they compress is crap, being able to have a bitrate in the 30-40 range would have helped massively.

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#1936 Post by tenia » Sun Oct 24, 2021 4:27 am

In France, we routinely see BDs with sub-optimum compression at 35 Mbps, so here you go.
And Criterion and Shout also regularly show what can happen despite such an almost maxed out AVB.
So when you can get this, dropping to 25 Mbps just is an additionnal obstacle to overcome.

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#1937 Post by Stefan Andersson » Sun Oct 24, 2021 11:41 am

kekid wrote:
Sat Oct 23, 2021 12:55 pm
Pepsi wrote:
Fri Oct 22, 2021 4:30 pm
Tavernier box (German).
https://www.media-dealer.de/index.php?c ... 3539690706

There's a picture of the back cover. It dosent promise good. Only one film has Englsih subs. If its accurate.
If you click on the "Specifications" tab in the table next to the graphic, you will see that Subtitles are provided in German and English.
Under "Spezifikation" it says: "SDTV 576i (PAL)" - does this mean 25fps video masters? I´m a technical layman, hence the question.

Another source:
https://www.arthaus.de/bertrand_tavernier_edition
Under "Mehr infos", it says: "1080/24p Full HD" - list of extras also included

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Re: Studio Canal / Kinowelt / Optimum

#1938 Post by Stefan Andersson » Sun Oct 24, 2021 11:44 am

A 4-film Jacques Becker Arthaus Bluray box with English subs:
https://www.arthaus.de/jacques_becker_edition_box

No English subs on the separate releases of Le Trou and Grisbi:
https://www.arthaus.de/detailsuche?q=Jacques+Becker&t=p

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Re: Studio Canal / Kinowelt / Optimum

#1939 Post by FrauBlucher » Tue Nov 02, 2021 7:39 pm


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#1940 Post by kekid » Tue Nov 02, 2021 8:01 pm

Des Enfants Gates is the only disc in the Tavernier box that does not have any subtitles, not even HOH.
Since I use OPPO's built-in feature to superimpose subtitles on the video, I am out of luck with this film.
For that feature to work, the disc needs to have some subtitle.
I do not understand the rationale behind (seemingly) random decisions made vis-a-vis subtitles in this box.

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#1941 Post by Fiery Angel » Tue Nov 02, 2021 10:58 pm

And that film had English subtitles in the Tavernier DVD box many years ago.

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#1942 Post by tysony » Wed Nov 03, 2021 4:14 pm

Sorry to comment on old releases but does anyone have the Melville and Godard UK boxsets from a few years back - still worth trying to track them down or is it a better idea to wait for 4K releases at this point? Also I read that there are issues with the encodes on these releases but I can't find a lot of information about that.

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#1943 Post by nitin » Fri Nov 05, 2021 12:06 am

Both box sets are likely to be pretty cheap again come Black Friday/Christmas time, some of the included movies in both are from 4k restorations too. I think they are worth grabbing as I cant see 4k releases for all, at least not all together anyway.

Which titles in particular interest you?

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#1944 Post by dwk » Fri Nov 05, 2021 1:38 am

A warning about the Melville set, Un flic is 1080i / 25 fps.

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#1945 Post by nitin » Wed Nov 10, 2021 12:28 am

Thanks David, that's good to know. Unfortunately we didnt have Canal port over The Servant and The Ladykillers on UHD, we just got the remastered blu rays only.

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#1946 Post by Dr Amicus » Tue Nov 30, 2021 11:11 am

Tavernier films are starting to appear on the BBFC website, submitted by StudioCanal. So far I can see Laisse Passer, Une Semaine de Vacances and (most surprising) La Guerre Sans Nom.

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#1947 Post by M Sanderson » Tue Nov 30, 2021 7:41 pm

Anyone know how the picture quality is on The Howling 4k?

Apparently Shout are using the same restoration for their upcoming 4k release.

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#1948 Post by Finch » Tue Nov 30, 2021 8:09 pm

It's among the Reference titles in the UHD Titles worth/not worth upgrading thread, and being UHD it's region free so there's little reason to wait for Shout's, especially given their very patchy record of encoding their discs.

EDIT 2/26/22: in case not everyone is reading the UHD upgrade thread, the Scream Factory is actually a port of the Studio Canal with strong authoring but it has the original mono and more extras, so it replaces the Studio Canal as this film's definitive release.
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#1949 Post by kekid » Thu Dec 09, 2021 8:53 pm

Update on the German edition of the Tavernier Collection:

Even though the description says "English Subtitles", 3 of the Blu Rays in this box do not have English subtitles.
1. The Clockmaker of St. Paul
2. A Sunday in the Country
3. The Judge and the Assassin

Thus there are only 2 Blu Rays in the German set that have English subtitles, which did not have the same in the French box:
1. Coup de Torchon
2. Let Joy Reign Supreme

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#1950 Post by Dr Amicus » Fri Dec 10, 2021 5:33 am

Further to the BBFC entries for Tavernier, Que la Fete Commence went through a few days ago. Looks like a version of the boxset may well be on the way in the UK (unless this is purely for streaming) as I can't see these getting individual releases (especially The Undeclared War).

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