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Uncultured clod here. Saw it, was disappointed-- bored, even. I couldn't get past how totally unlikeable Leaud's character was. I realize that wasn't the point, but just sitting there watching him be a smug asshole eventually started to just piss me off. About 95% of the time I wanted to scream at him to shut up; I wonder if the difference between my reaction and all of yours has anything to do with the fact that I'm a woman....
The film also struck me as a bit too clever, and even (dare I say it?) lazy-- some of the bit of politics felt almost too obvious, as if Godard was sitting there grinning, nudging the audience just when the expected him to. That said, I'm very glad I saw it. And I liked parts-- how each sequence opened with silence, and the wife/nanny shooting the father.
The film also struck me as a bit too clever, and even (dare I say it?) lazy-- some of the bit of politics felt almost too obvious, as if Godard was sitting there grinning, nudging the audience just when the expected him to. That said, I'm very glad I saw it. And I liked parts-- how each sequence opened with silence, and the wife/nanny shooting the father.
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OK. I wouldn't disagree re Leaud.Martha wrote:I couldn't get past how totally unlikeable Leaud's character was...
But next time (if you ever see it again) imagine that Godard, too, thinks Leaud is a bit of a smug asshole. I think you'll see that he (Godard) pokes fun at him (Leaud) too. And the movie may be much more fun for you.
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The following was posted to the Godard mailing list today:
Great to hear, although I think most everyone has been fairly certain this would be happening. Now I wonder when they'll release it...Two mouth-watering news items for the faithful:
1. Criterion is preparing a MASCULIN-FEMININ edition. It will most likely include interviews from the time and other video footage, the original trailer, new interviews with Jean-Pierre Gorin, Chantal Goya, perhaps other people, also an essay by a member of this group (me).
2. For Pompidou's COLLAGES DE FRANCE project, the FOR EVER GODARD book is to have a French edition - however, it is to be completely different from the English edition (i.e., not a translation). In fact, four volumes of the French project are projected! It will be comprised mainly of 'documentation' - which I presume refers to graphics, scripts, notes, and other materials to which Godard has given the editors access. JLG fuly supports this publishing project.
Adrian Martin
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Finally got to see the re-release recently, what a breath of fresh air! The anti-American and Vietnam war protest bits are charmingly radical in contrast to the very orderly and well behaved protests of the same topics in the I Am Curious Yellow/Blue films. Can't wait to what Criterion puts together for their DVD release.
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This is always less of a problem when the subtitles are player generated. Expect the DVD to be very legible.miloauckerman wrote:I hope they rework the subtitles a bit for any future Rialto-sourced Criterion release - there were two or three shots with blown-out highlights at the bottom of the screen making the subtitles completely unreadable.
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The trailer is already up on the Rialto page it's kinda nice and frivolous, but one thing struck me as peculiar: the trailer mentions the pepsi-generation while JLG talks about M-F being about the children of Marx & COCA-COLA......a notable difference, is it just to make it more understandable for American audiences? And isn't the mentioning of the cola-brand only relevant when mentioning Marx as a reference to radical politics? I doubt if JLG would ever approve of such a "Bande-a-part" feel in the trailer for this film......(although if asked now he probably wouldn't care(
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This has got to be the fastest turnaround yet for a Rialto release to make it out on DVD, with only about six months between its release and September.
This bodes well for the other Rialtopictures making their way out this year ("The Two of Us," "Mouchette" and possibly "Pickpocket"). Shame will still probably be waiting for "The Milky Way" well into 2008.
-BJ
This bodes well for the other Rialtopictures making their way out this year ("The Two of Us," "Mouchette" and possibly "Pickpocket"). Shame will still probably be waiting for "The Milky Way" well into 2008.
-BJ
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I'm pretty sure Pickpocket isn't a Rialto picture. It's not listed among their holdings. It may bode well for Two of Three Things I Know About Her (which will probably be the next release after Mouchette) or Last Year at Marienbad.Buttery Jeb wrote:This bodes well for the other Rialtopictures making their way out this year (... and possibly "Pickpocket")
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I have a hunch that the ghost of Joan Crawford is involved.AZAI wrote: one thing struck me as peculiar: the trailer mentions the pepsi-generation while JLG talks about M-F being about the children of Marx & COCA-COLA......a notable difference, is it just to make it more understandable for American audiences?
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It's really too bad Criterion doesn't have a relationship with Paramount. Besides the enormous cache of unreleased classics left to languish in their vaults, the current bare-bones edition of Mommie Dearest could certainly use an overhaul. "Tina...bring me the axe!" Oh, there's just so many...I have a hunch that the ghost of Joan Crawford is involved.
No...more...wire...hangers.
HVe have the MASCULIN release date as Sept 20. What must surely be a misprint is the film ratio quoted of 1:33.1. I have a BFI VHS of this film and it is presented in 1:66.1. I know that Coutard has gone on record saying that all colour films from the classic Godard period were in 'scope & all B&W in academy but [1] he didn't shoot MASCULIN and [2] LA CHINOISE is in colour and @ 1:33.1. Has anyone else evidence of the correct ratio - e.g. those of you who saw it theatrically recently.
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The term "Pepsi Generation" is in the film -- an interviewer asks Madeleine if she considers herself part of the "Pepsi Generation."benm wrote:there may be something to them referring to it as the pepsi-cola generation as at least in canada Quebec is the only province where more pepsi is consumed than coke.
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Roger Ebert addressed this in his "Answer Man" column:AZAI wrote:The trailer is already up on the Rialto page it's kinda nice and frivolous, but one thing struck me as peculiar: the trailer mentions the pepsi-generation while JLG talks about M-F being about the children of Marx & COCA-COLA......a notable difference, is it just to make it more understandable for American audiences? And isn't the mentioning of the cola-brand only relevant when mentioning Marx as a reference to radical politics?
Q. Just watched the new trailer for the re-release of Godard's "Masculine-Feminine," the movie that makes the famous statement, "We are the children of Marx and Coca-Cola." The new trailer says it's a movie about Paris, sex and "the Pepsi Generation."
No children of Marx and Coca-Cola here. Then, at the end of the trailer there's a copyright notice for Pepsi -- followed by the statement that Paris and sex are still in the public domain. What is going on here? Did Coke forbid the mention of its product? If not, why would they substitute Pepsi?
Jim Emerson, Seattle
A. Bruce Goldstein, of Film Forum and Rialto Pictures, replies: "The Pepsi disclaimer at the end of the trailer was a little joke of mine. No one asked us to add the copyright notice, nor does PepsiCo even know about it (maybe they will after reading your column). And there was no interference by the Coca-Cola company. Originally I tried working 'the Children of Coca-Cola' into the trailer, but felt it was too academic and a little off-putting. However, in the movie, Chantal Goya is asked if she's a member of 'the Pepsi Generation,' so it's a fair reference. (Her answer: 'J'adore Pepsi.')"