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Re: Comic Books on Film

#751 Post by flyonthewall2983 » Fri Jul 21, 2017 2:14 pm


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Re: Comic Books on Film

#752 Post by Roger Ryan » Fri Jul 21, 2017 3:38 pm

flyonthewall2983 wrote:Ben bids bye-bye to Batman
...the upcoming films will figure out a way to gracefully exit the character from the storyline...
This certainly won't be the case, will it? Won't they just recast Batman?

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#753 Post by Ribs » Fri Jul 21, 2017 3:48 pm

I can *kind of* imagine them doing a hand-off, if only because it's actually one thing they could get ahead of Marvel on (as they'll inevitably be switching to new Iron Men and Captains America within just another few movies). They're probably too afraid to do a Batman story without it being Bruce Wayne, though, even though truth be told like Spider-Man they'd probably benefit a great deal by just saying no to the origin story and refusing to engage with it at all rather than incorporating it into every single movie (in this case by using a different character).

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Re: Comic Books on Film

#754 Post by dx23 » Fri Jul 21, 2017 8:57 pm

Roger Ryan wrote:
flyonthewall2983 wrote:Ben bids bye-bye to Batman
...the upcoming films will figure out a way to gracefully exit the character from the storyline...
This certainly won't be the case, will it? Won't they just recast Batman?
I imagine he will be re-cast. Batman is arguably the biggest character in comic books today and it doesn't make any sense to not have him in future films. It also didn't make sense to cast a 40 year as Batman for a long-term franchise series, but that's a topic for another time.

Except for Gal Gadot as Wonder Woman and Henry Cavill as Superman, I wish WB/DC rebooted everything else in their film universe and actually make a plan like Marvel did. Their ineptitude is astounding when it comes to these films. For example, it was announced today, that after so much online promotion, The Rock won't be part of the Shazam! movie. Why have two years of teasing and interviews and promotion and not deliver? It's pretty clear that the only things truly working for WB regarding DC are Wonder Woman and the Arrowverse TV universe. The reason for this is because they have been pretty loyal to the source material. Well, WB should start from that idea and get the ball rolling.

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Re: Comic Books on Film

#755 Post by Big Ben » Fri Jul 21, 2017 9:05 pm

Frankly I think the wisest thing to do is simply recast the role and pretend nothing happened. They don't need anymore additional tom foolery plot wise.

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Re: Comic Books on Film

#756 Post by Big Ben » Sat Jul 22, 2017 3:53 pm

Here's the DC Films line-up announce at SDCC.

Shazam!
Wonder Woman 2
Suicide Squad 2
The Flash
Flashpoint
Green Lantern Corps
The Batman

Most interesting here is Flashpoint. Essentially it's a story about how the Flash goes back in time, does something and returns to the present. Except by doing something in the past he has altered the future. This is a great way for both Warners and DC to retcon any problem story elements and yes, even cast a new Batman. Can't say I'm shocked.

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Re: Comic Books on Film

#757 Post by FigrinDan » Sat Jul 22, 2017 7:04 pm

No need to cast a new Batman. Word out of SDCC is he's sticking around to work with Matt Reeves.
I am the luckiest guy in the world. Batman is the coolest fucking part in any universe. It’s fucking amazing and I still can’t believe it after two films… And Matt Reeves doing it, I would be an ape on the ground for Matt Reeves. And I think you’ll see why I’m so excited to be Batman.

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Re: Comic Books on Film

#758 Post by dx23 » Sat Jul 22, 2017 10:17 pm

FigrinDan wrote:No need to cast a new Batman. Word out of SDCC is he's sticking around to work with Matt Reeves.
I am the luckiest guy in the world. Batman is the coolest fucking part in any universe. It’s fucking amazing and I still can’t believe it after two films… And Matt Reeves doing it, I would be an ape on the ground for Matt Reeves. And I think you’ll see why I’m so excited to be Batman.
But also of note that the Flash movie is title Flashpoint, so it will probably be based on the comic book mini-series that rebooted the whole DC, Vertigo and Wildstorm universes into the New 52. It could be the perfect scenario to recast/reboot any franchise and remove/add any actor they would like. Wouldn't be surprised if Affleck is out after that.

Edit: Big Ben beat me to the explanation.

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Re: Comic Books on Film

#759 Post by Ribs » Sat Jul 22, 2017 10:27 pm

Marvel's SDCC was less splashy (Feige maintains they're keeping mum about the post-Avengers future for another year) but had some interesting nuggets; the big one is probably that Captain Marvel will be set in the 90s complete with a young Nick Fury, which should make it a welcome change of pace.

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Re: Comic Books on Film

#760 Post by dx23 » Mon Jul 24, 2017 9:04 am

Marvel also announced that Michelle Pfeiffer will play Janet Van Dyne (The Wasp, founding member of the Avengers in the comic books and wife of Hank Pym) and Lawrence Fishburne will play Bill Foster, the second Giant Man, better known as Black Goliath. If I'm not mistaken, Fishburne will be the first actor to have roles in both the DC and Marvel Cinematic Universes. He's been very critical on the shit job that WB has done with the DC films, so I wouldn't be surprised if his DC character, Perry White, is re-cast in the future.

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Re: Comic Books on Film

#761 Post by Roger Ryan » Mon Jul 24, 2017 3:49 pm

Re-shoots on Justice League have gone on so long and talent scheduling is such a headache that effects artists will be forced to digitally remove a mustache Henry Cavill grew for his role in the upcoming Mission: Impossible sequel.

Variety article

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Re: Wonder Woman (Patty Jenkins, 2017)

#762 Post by Michael Kerpan » Sat Aug 19, 2017 2:47 pm

Finally saw this -- found it entertaining enough (most of the time) -- if not especially "artful". Won't be making my (never likely to be created) bests list...


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Re: Comic Books on Film

#764 Post by domino harvey » Tue Aug 22, 2017 8:33 pm

Well, that's one more film I never want to see

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Re: Comic Books on Film

#765 Post by flyonthewall2983 » Tue Aug 22, 2017 8:39 pm

Jared Leto is out so that's at least got something going for it.

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Re: Comic Books on Film

#766 Post by bearcuborg » Thu Aug 24, 2017 5:21 pm

Well, at the very least, I can't wait to see whatever Scorsese passion project this paycheck will fund...

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Re: Comic Books on Film

#767 Post by solaris72 » Thu Aug 24, 2017 11:14 pm

WB has at least 4 movies (5 if he's in "THE BATMAN") featuring the Joker in development, and 3 of them are with Jared Leto...
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Re: Comic Books on Film

#768 Post by matrixschmatrix » Thu Aug 24, 2017 11:22 pm

My theory is that WB is trying to end the comic book craze by heightening contradictions

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Re: Wonder Woman (Patty Jenkins, 2017)

#769 Post by mfunk9786 » Fri Aug 25, 2017 10:30 am


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Wonder Woman (Patty Jenkins, 2017)

#770 Post by Luke M » Fri Aug 25, 2017 12:11 pm

I’ve read a lot of angry comments disagreeing with Cameron. But I mostly agree with him. I liked Wonder Woman a lot but I thought her character was more akin to something like Angelina Jolie’s Tomb Raider than Linda Hamilton’s Sarah Conner or Sigourney Weaver’s Ripley. Which is to say no one was trying to sleep with Conner or Ripley or Charlize Theron’s Furiosa.

If we get a bunch of films about beautiful women kicking ass while being ogled at; at what point does it become exploitative?

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Re: Wonder Woman (Patty Jenkins, 2017)

#771 Post by mfunk9786 » Fri Aug 25, 2017 12:24 pm

I do think Jenkins has a point that female leads don't have to be damaged to be complex or valid or enjoyable. But it is amusing to see the director of Monster doing her level best to defend cheerful pretty female leads after all these years

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Re: Wonder Woman (Patty Jenkins, 2017)

#772 Post by starmanof51 » Fri Aug 25, 2017 12:27 pm

Luke M wrote:I’ve read a lot of angry comments disagreeing with Cameron. But I mostly agree with him. I liked Wonder Woman a lot but I thought her character was more akin to something like Angelina Jolie’s Tomb Raider than Linda Hamilton’s Sarah Conner or Sigourney Weaver’s Ripley. Which is to say no one was trying to sleep with Conner or Ripley or Charlize Theron’s Furiosa.

If we get a bunch of films about beautiful women kicking ass while being ogled at; at what point does it become exploitative?
So the male version of this would be Bond movies?

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Re: Wonder Woman (Patty Jenkins, 2017)

#773 Post by Gregory » Fri Aug 25, 2017 1:22 pm

Cameron is entitled to give his opinion, but it seems like a flat-out hypocritical one, considering that he's admitted in interviews that the female Na'vi were intentionally designed to be ogled in a way that was essentially as close to porn as is possible with PG-13, but that didn't stop him from patting himself on the back for delivering such an important message with the film.
Luke M wrote:If we get a bunch of films about beautiful women kicking ass while being ogled at; at what point does it become exploitative?
Seems like they'd have to be considered case by case on the merits of the film as a whole and examples of things that seemed gratuitous. I'm not going to see Wonder Woman so can't say if there are any such examples in this film. And if it's just about some of the costumes, then one would have to have to consider what the costume designer was trying to do with them and what she had to work with: an "Amazon" type character from 1940s low culture, wearing basically a strapless bathing suit and high-heeled boots.

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Re: Wonder Woman (Patty Jenkins, 2017)

#774 Post by knives » Fri Aug 25, 2017 1:24 pm

Low culture?

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Re: Wonder Woman (Patty Jenkins, 2017)

#775 Post by Gregory » Fri Aug 25, 2017 1:53 pm

Definitely. For one thing, comic books had an extremely low standing in the culture from the "Golden Age" till the birth of the "graphic novel," and were widely considered absolute trash, only fit for halfwits and children, and at times not even deemed suitable for the latter.

And I think it's worth noting how Superman and other superheroes came from an amalgam of other things from "low culture" forms that predated comic books such as pulp magazines: Tarzan, Doc Savage, the Shadow and other characters with secret identities. In fact the main forerunner to DC, National Allied, was started by former pulp writers.
OK, this post is so geeky it's making me a little ill.

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