Prince (1958-2016)

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Re: Prince (1958-2016)

#201 Post by ando » Mon Feb 05, 2018 6:52 pm

hearthesilence wrote:He had the potential to make groundbreaking dance-pop on the same level as Michael Jackson's Off the Wall, but unfortunately FutureSex/LoveSounds turned out to be a peak rather than a harbinger.
Never saw that kind of vision in him. He does enough to stay on the radar but he's hardly transformative.

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Timberlake explaining away his Superbowl performance on Jimmy Fallon's show. Prince could be corny, too, but damn...


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Re: Prince (1958-2016)

#203 Post by ando » Mon Apr 23, 2018 9:02 pm

Been enjoying the Blast From The Past series; most are 4 disc sets of outakes, extended versions of previously released/album versions and anomalies. 4.0 & 5.0 are standouts.

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Re: Prince (1958-2016)

#204 Post by hearthesilence » Wed Jun 27, 2018 11:30 am

Old news now, but that album will be an informal solo piano & vocal recording from 1983. Unfortunately this recording has been circulating since the '90s, so nothing really new. At least it's in better quality (though it sounds like it's sourced from a cassette, which may be how it was recorded).

Forgot to mention this in my Showgirls post, but I was impressed that not only did it have a good Bowie track ("I'm Afraid of Americans," apparently as a rough mix of a recording from the Earthling sessions - the song would become an official Bowie release two years later), it also had TWO Prince tracks, the best of which was "3121" which appeared on The Gold Experience. I'm not alone in thinking it's a great album, but unfortunately its release was marred by his struggles with Warner Bros. and it fell out-of-print for decades. It was eventually put out on Tidal's streaming service but now Sony has agreed to re-issue it this year as part of a distribution deal that includes 19 previously released album titles originally released between 1995 and 2010.

Other titles to be reissued this year: the excellent Emancipation, the mediocre Rave Un2 The Joy Fantastic (keepers: "Prettyman," "The Greatest Romance Ever Sold," "Baby Knows"), the awful The Rainbow Children (keepers: "The Work," "She Loves Me 4 Me") and the excellent 3121, as well as titles originally distributed by Sony including the very good Musicology and somewhat lackluster Planet Earth (keepers: "Chelsea Rodgers," "Guitar," "The One U Wanna C"). Additional album titles from the 2014-2015 era will also be distributed with worldwide rights under the deal in the future.

Starting in 2021, Sony/Legacy’s distribution rights will be expanded to include 12 classic Warner-era non-soundtrack albums including masterpieces like Dirty Mind, 1999 and Sign 'O' the Times but it will not include Purple Rain, Batman, Parade and Graffiti Bridge as they are subject to different terms. (Also missing are a few titles like The Black Album.) The agreement also includes rights to “other previously released material recorded post-1995 including singles, b-sides, remixes, non-album tracks, live recordings and music videos.”

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Re: Prince (1958-2016)

#205 Post by Roger Ryan » Wed Jun 27, 2018 12:02 pm

hearthesilence wrote:
Wed Jun 27, 2018 11:30 am
...Forgot to mention this in my Showgirls post, but I was impressed that not only did it have a good Bowie track ("I'm Afraid of Americans," apparently as a rough mix of a recording from the Earthling sessions - the song would become an official Bowie release two years later)...
The pedantic in me feels the need to comment that "I'm Afraid of Americans" was originally written and recorded for Bowie's 1995 album Outside, so the "rough mix" you're referring to probably came from the sessions for this album, not the later Earthling.

Thanks for the Prince news!

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Re: Prince (1958-2016)

#206 Post by hearthesilence » Wed Jun 27, 2018 12:16 pm

YES, you are right, they used a recording from the Outside sessions, and I actually typed that but I must have made a cut-and-paste mistake when I re-edited that line for clarity. Honestly, how many films prominently feature a good Bowie AND Prince track, and not in a superfluous way?
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Re: Prince (1958-2016)

#207 Post by FrauBlucher » Wed Jun 27, 2018 12:16 pm

Ugh. Have to wait at least three years to get a remastered Sign O’ the Times.

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Re: Prince (1958-2016)

#208 Post by hearthesilence » Wed Jun 27, 2018 12:20 pm

FrauBlucher wrote:
Wed Jun 27, 2018 12:16 pm
Ugh. Have to wait at least three years to get a remastered Sign O’ the Times.
Didn't they reissue it on vinyl recently? I thought those recent Rhino/WB vinyl releases were supposed to sound great. I haven't heard them myself, but I know Purple Rain was done on high quality vinyl from the original masters and by a really good cutting engineer.

Anyway, I wouldn't wait for a remastered digital release - chances are, they're going to compress the hell out of it. I'm hoping I'm wrong but just look at that deluxe 3-disc reissue of Purple Rain - a great package, but the mastering is terrible.
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Re: Prince (1958-2016)

#209 Post by hearthesilence » Wed Jun 27, 2018 12:31 pm

Just checked, it was indeed reissued AND remastered, back in 2016 and it's still available everywhere.

The mastering/cutting engineeer is Kevin Gray, who does a lot of audiophile reissues for Analogue Productions and other specialty labels - he's good, so if vinyl is your format of choice, pick this up. I doubt you can do any better.

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Re: Prince (1958-2016)

#210 Post by FrauBlucher » Wed Jun 27, 2018 8:01 pm

Thanks for info. But not a vinyl collector. I'll have to wait for the CD if it ever comes.

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Re: Prince (1958-2016)

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Re: Prince (1958-2016)

#212 Post by flyonthewall2983 » Tue Mar 12, 2019 1:54 pm

For some strange reason SiriusXM plays only the single edit of "When Doves Cry". If I ever heard it on the radio it was usually the whole song. Certainly the case for the video.

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Re: Prince (1958-2016)

#213 Post by mteller » Tue Mar 12, 2019 2:02 pm

flyonthewall2983 wrote:
Tue Mar 12, 2019 1:54 pm
For some strange reason SiriusXM plays only the single edit of "When Doves Cry". If I ever heard it on the radio it was usually the whole song. Certainly the case for the video.
I bet they're sourcing it from The Hits 1

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Re: Prince (1958-2016)

#214 Post by tarpilot » Thu May 09, 2019 4:15 am

ando wrote:
Mon Feb 27, 2017 7:10 pm
Spotify does have all 3 of the Prince backed The Time albums:

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Amusingly I've come across two separate interviews recently by veteran drummers who said they'd tried for a very long time to nail "777-9311" till they realized it was a drum machine (surely not the only ones!)

Jon Wurster
wrote:CP: What’s another of your favorite songs from Minneapolis?

JW: “777- 9311” by the Time. I haven’t heard the song in forever and I bought the single when I was a junior in high school or something. The drumming on it is really weird. I think that’s what caught my ear. What’s going on with the high hat is especially crazy. I went to the Wiki page tonight and I learned so much about this song. Basically Prince plays on the entire thing, and Morris Day sings. But this crazy drum thing is a pre-programmed preset that came with the drum machine. It’s not even a person. I spent at least a month trying to learn it and could never learn it and I felt terrible. Then I learned tonight it wasn’t even a human playing it, so I shouldn’t feel that bad.
?uestlove (I know I've seen another one too where he expands a bit. Maybe an excerpt from his autobiography?)
wrote:16. “Now there’s this thing called the drum machine, you don’t need good rhythm to sound real mean.”

Prince’s greatest gift to hip-hop (and most post–civil rights R&B) was his peerless and boundless ability to program and mix drum machines. He used his guitar effects to get new sounds out of them. He often substituted sounds for others (high-pitched tambourine was hi-hat, snare rim shot were congas, lowered cowbells were tom-toms). Not to mention, the actual programming was done so precise you too thought it was done by a human (not even gonna speak on spending three months in 1982 tryna master “777-9311” to find out it was a machine).

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Re: Prince (1958-2016)

#215 Post by ando » Thu May 09, 2019 3:16 pm

tarpilot wrote:
Thu May 09, 2019 4:15 am
ando wrote:
Mon Feb 27, 2017 7:10 pm
Spotify does have all 3 of the Prince backed The Time albums:

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Amusingly I've come across two separate interviews recently by veteran drummers who said they'd tried for a very long time to nail "777-9311" till they realized it was a drum machine (surely not the only ones!)

Jon Wurster
wrote:CP: What’s another of your favorite songs from Minneapolis?

JW: “777- 9311” by the Time. I haven’t heard the song in forever and I bought the single when I was a junior in high school or something. The drumming on it is really weird. I think that’s what caught my ear. What’s going on with the high hat is especially crazy. I went to the Wiki page tonight and I learned so much about this song. Basically Prince plays on the entire thing, and Morris Day sings. But this crazy drum thing is a pre-programmed preset that came with the drum machine. It’s not even a person. I spent at least a month trying to learn it and could never learn it and I felt terrible. Then I learned tonight it wasn’t even a human playing it, so I shouldn’t feel that bad.
?uestlove (I know I've seen another one too where he expands a bit. Maybe an excerpt from his autobiography?)
wrote:16. “Now there’s this thing called the drum machine, you don’t need good rhythm to sound real mean.”

Prince’s greatest gift to hip-hop (and most post–civil rights R&B) was his peerless and boundless ability to program and mix drum machines. He used his guitar effects to get new sounds out of them. He often substituted sounds for others (high-pitched tambourine was hi-hat, snare rim shot were congas, lowered cowbells were tom-toms). Not to mention, the actual programming was done so precise you too thought it was done by a human (not even gonna speak on spending three months in 1982 tryna master “777-9311” to find out it was a machine).
Nice. Another live breakdown.

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Re: Prince (1958-2016)

#216 Post by ando » Thu May 09, 2019 8:49 pm

Chris McBride & his band nail it without the drum machine.

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Re: Prince (1958-2016)

#217 Post by tarpilot » Thu May 09, 2019 8:56 pm

That was great, thanks! Not even disappointed it wasn't Chi McBride

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