110-112, 439, 729-731 The Complete Jacques Tati

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Re: 110-112, 439, 729-731 The Complete Jacques Tati

#226 Post by whaleallright » Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:04 pm

mteller wrote:"Polymorphously perverse" means they derive sexual pleasure for non-genital areas of the body. Either R0lf doesn't understand the term, or he needs to make his case better.
Magic Hate Ball wrote:It does refer to the early stage of sexual development where a child (one to five, I think) finds pleasure anywhere they can
Hey, Hulot does have a suspicious amount of fun with those leather chairs....

There is definitely something childlike about the chaste, tentative flirtations between Hulot and his leading ladies; and, perhaps separately, Hulot's interactions with technology and everyday objects probably fall somewhere in the "perverse" column, though perhaps naïveté is a better term. I'm not sure dragging Freud into it is very productive, though.

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Re: 110-112, 439, 729-731 The Complete Jacques Tati

#227 Post by HitchcockLang » Tue Apr 17, 2018 9:26 am

Self wrote:Does anyone know of an update to the Taschen book? I tried searching for it on their website and it seems to have disappeared. Even clicking the above link takes one to the main page of Taschen.
All references to the book have vanished from Taschen's site and the Amazon listing which I had saved on my wishlist no longer has a release date and has been relegated to "Currently unavailable" status. I hope the book hasn't been totally canceled; I was so looking forward to it.

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Re: 110-112, 439, 729-731 The Complete Jacques Tati

#228 Post by ter3 » Mon Aug 06, 2018 5:10 am

The status of the Taschen book is unclear. Jonathan Rosenbaum decides to publish his writings for the book:
http://www.jonathanrosenbaum.net/?s=tati

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Trafic (Jacques Tati, 1971)

#229 Post by Mr Sausage » Mon Mar 04, 2019 10:15 pm

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Re: Trafic (Jacques Tati, 1971)

#230 Post by Mr Sausage » Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:12 am

Who knew a Jacques Tati film could produce such deafening silence. Surely at least one person here could write a couple of sentences on why they liked it or voted for it?

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Re: Trafic (Jacques Tati, 1971)

#231 Post by dda1996a » Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:47 am

Ive only seen Playtime and Mon Oncle (and Holiday will be watched soon for school), but does anyone actually find Tati "funny"? Not a criticism, as I loved both films I've seen, but having everyone compare him to Chaplin seems foolish. Tati's films are droll, and are much more cinematically brilliant and amusing than out and out funny.

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Re: Trafic (Jacques Tati, 1971)

#232 Post by Michael Kerpan » Fri Mar 15, 2019 9:56 am

I found Mon Oncle _extremely_ funny -- and found Playtime and Hulot on Vacation often funny. Alas, I've seen Trafic only once, long ago -- so have little to say about it.

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Re: Trafic (Jacques Tati, 1971)

#233 Post by aox » Fri Mar 15, 2019 10:12 am

I find Tati very funny, and very much in the tradition of Lloyd, Keaton, and Chaplin. Turn off the sound for ten minutes at any point in any of his films.

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Re: Trafic (Jacques Tati, 1971)

#234 Post by Jonathan S » Fri Mar 15, 2019 10:41 am

I didn't vote at all but here's a slightly abridged version of the programme note I wrote for a theatrical screening in January 1983, shortly after Tati's death. I was already familiar with the film; indeed it was the first Tati I ever saw, as for many years it was the only one available to UK TV (ITV weekend matinees, which now seems incredible!) Like many newbie film graduates, I took a rather severe view of comedies when I wrote the following piece at the age of 21 and I hadn't seen Playtime at all. Trafic now seems to me like a footnote to that much more ambitious film.

"An idiosyncratic film by any standards, Trafic is Tati's satire on the absurdities and dangers of our dependence on the motor vehicle. It's a highly digressive work, de-emphasising narrative, farcical gags and Hulot in favour of quietly observational humour. This ranges from the documentary (candid shots of bored drivers yawning and picking their noses) to the near abstract (a montage of visual patterns formed by road lines and reflections, synchronised to jazz). The film defies categorisation: the tone of (comic) failure and ultimately desolation suggest a parody of a road movie. It's often a gentle, subtle film, yet there are intimations of real danger and violence: a cruel practical joke involving a car wheel and what appears to be a crushed small dog; a life-size plaster bust smashed to bits in a multiple collision.

Hulot's disastrous trip from Paris to the Amsterdam motor show is ironically contrasted with the successful parallel journey by American astronauts to the moon. But Tati also uses this space journey - glimpsed on TV screens at various points - to emphasise our obsession with technology. There's no place for Nature in this new technological world unless it can be artificialized, as in the stage for the camping vehicle at the motor show, composed of cardboard trees and recorded bird sounds. Technology controls our lives to the point of sterile regimentation. As the film ends, pedestrians are forced to walk in geometrical lines between rows of jammed cars. But Tati implies it's only by becoming a pedestrian that we can begin to recover our human values."

(I somewhat disagree with my younger self: for all Tati's satire of technology, his films above all convey his fascination with it - and I suspect he'd have loved the digital age!)

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Re: 110-112, 439, 729-731 The Complete Jacques Tati

#235 Post by whaleallright » Wed Mar 20, 2019 11:54 pm

So that announced Taschen book absolutely disappeared. I had forgotten about it, and then got all sad again thinking I will never own a model of the house from Mon oncle.

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Re: 110-112, 439, 729-731 The Complete Jacques Tati

#236 Post by ter3 » Sun Jun 23, 2019 4:51 am

The book has reappeared in the Taschen Catalogue again: https://issuu.com/taschen/docs/taschen_ ... es_tam.pdf (page 58). Scheduled for November.
It seems that is has changed to just the five books. Maybe the soundboard and playset were too much of a hassle. I'm happy that it might be released after all this time.

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Re: 110-112, 439, 729-731 The Complete Jacques Tati

#237 Post by alisoncastle » Fri Sep 27, 2019 12:47 pm

Hi Tati fans. It took a lot longer than we expected (7 years!) but the TASCHEN book set will finally be released this November. There will also be a very limited edition that comes with the bonus items (Villa Arpel model, sound box, etc).
It made me happy to stumble on this discussion and to see that some of you are looking forward to reading Tati's screenplays. I can confirm that the complete scripts of all of Tati's features, plus The Illusionist and Confusion, are included. They take up the entire Volume 2.

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Re: 110-112, 439, 729-731 The Complete Jacques Tati

#238 Post by Leo K. » Fri Sep 27, 2019 4:18 pm

alisoncastle wrote:Hi Tati fans. It took a lot longer than we expected (7 years!) but the TASCHEN book set will finally be released this November. There will also be a very limited edition that comes with the bonus items (Villa Arpel model, sound box, etc).
It made me happy to stumble on this discussion and to see that some of you are looking forward to reading Tati's screenplays. I can confirm that the complete scripts of all of Tati's features, plus The Illusionist and Confusion, are included. They take up the entire Volume 2.
This is wonderful news!!! Thank you for the update!

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Re: 110-112, 439, 729-731 The Complete Jacques Tati

#239 Post by whaleallright » Sat Sep 28, 2019 2:55 am

alisoncastle wrote:
Fri Sep 27, 2019 12:47 pm
Hi Tati fans. It took a lot longer than we expected (7 years!) but the TASCHEN book set will finally be released this November. There will also be a very limited edition that comes with the bonus items (Villa Arpel model, sound box, etc).
It made me happy to stumble on this discussion and to see that some of you are looking forward to reading Tati's screenplays. I can confirm that the complete scripts of all of Tati's features, plus The Illusionist and Confusion, are included. They take up the entire Volume 2.
Is there a way to purchase either the "very limited" or the (I suppose) "not so very limited" editions? As much as my bank may wish otherwise, I would like to purchase the former and will certainly purchase the latter at the least.

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Re: 110-112, 439, 729-731 The Complete Jacques Tati

#240 Post by tenia » Sat Sep 28, 2019 3:49 am

It's available on Taschen's web store.

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Re: 110-112, 439, 729-731 The Complete Jacques Tati

#241 Post by senseabove » Sat Sep 28, 2019 4:21 pm

The standard edition is also available via Amazon, where it briefly dropped to <$150 and I really wish I'd locked it in at that price, but I didn't realize at the time that retail would be $225:
https://www.amazon.com/Jacques-Tati-Com ... oks&sr=1-1

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Re: 110-112, 439, 729-731 The Complete Jacques Tati

#242 Post by whaleallright » Sun Sep 29, 2019 1:58 pm

tenia wrote:
Sat Sep 28, 2019 3:49 am
It's available on Taschen's web store.
As far as I can see, there's no link yet to purchase the "special" edition....

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Re: 110-112, 439, 729-731 The Complete Jacques Tati

#243 Post by TheRanchHand » Mon Sep 30, 2019 3:51 am

Not sure when it ever dropped to $150. I preordered in August and has only gone down to $213 so must have been earlier than that.

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Re: 110-112, 439, 729-731 The Complete Jacques Tati

#244 Post by Gregory » Mon Sep 30, 2019 4:21 am

August 14 to $141.21, to be exact

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Re: 110-112, 439, 729-731 The Complete Jacques Tati

#245 Post by HitchcockLang » Mon Sep 30, 2019 9:00 am

I'm assuming the screenplays are all in French. What's the liklihood they're translated into English?

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Re: 110-112, 439, 729-731 The Complete Jacques Tati

#246 Post by Glowingwabbit » Mon Sep 30, 2019 10:09 am

HitchcockLang wrote:
Mon Sep 30, 2019 9:00 am
I'm assuming the screenplays are all in French. What's the liklihood they're translated into English?
Why wouldn't they be translated to English in the English edition?

Edit: Oh I guess I could see some of the handwritten stuff not being translated. One of the photos does show an English translation of Mr. Hulot's Holiday though.

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Re: 110-112, 439, 729-731 The Complete Jacques Tati

#247 Post by HitchcockLang » Mon Sep 30, 2019 11:06 am

Glowingwabbit wrote:
Mon Sep 30, 2019 10:09 am
HitchcockLang wrote:
Mon Sep 30, 2019 9:00 am
I'm assuming the screenplays are all in French. What's the liklihood they're translated into English?
Why wouldn't they be translated to English in the English edition?

Edit: Oh I guess I could see some of the handwritten stuff not being translated. One of the photos does show an English translation of Mr. Hulot's Holiday though.
Thanks! I missed that it was listed as an English edition. Now that you've drawn me to that detail and the image of the translated Les vacances script, my anticipation is even more piqued. Now to decide whether to order from Amazon or hold out for the ridiculous version with all the goodies.

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Re: 110-112, 439, 729-731 The Complete Jacques Tati

#248 Post by alisoncastle » Tue Oct 01, 2019 2:10 pm

All scripts have been translated for the English edition except (1) Jour de fête, because the only existing script is incomplete and heavily annotated, and (2) Trafic, because there was already an English version that was used by the non-francophone crew members (the film was shot in Holland), so we used that version. However, the reproductions of original script pages, which serve as illustrations, are in French.

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Re: 110-112, 439, 729-731 The Complete Jacques Tati

#249 Post by alisoncastle » Tue Oct 01, 2019 2:39 pm

The book is now available for preorder here. I will post a link to the limited edition version when the listing goes live, which should be very soon. I don't yet know what the price will be, but it will be pricey for sure. And there will only be 112 copies. Maybe somebody here will guess why that number was chosen?

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Re: 110-112, 439, 729-731 The Complete Jacques Tati

#250 Post by Gregory » Tue Oct 01, 2019 3:18 pm

alisoncastle wrote:
Tue Oct 01, 2019 2:39 pm
I don't yet know what the price will be, but it will be pricey for sure. And there will only be 112 copies. Maybe somebody here will guess why that number was chosen?
We're coming up on the 112th anniversary of Tati's birth.

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