Criterion and StudioCanal

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Re: Criterion and StudioCanal

#1151 Post by domino harvey » Tue Dec 25, 2018 11:30 am

I honestly have no idea why the six movielocke mentions are "certain" in the first place-- Ran and Le mepris were already announced before StudioCanal jerked their rights back, so I can see those two, but the other four are pure speculation

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Re: Criterion and StudioCanal

#1152 Post by FrauBlucher » Tue Dec 25, 2018 12:35 pm

RSTooley wrote:I don't see any reason to disbelieve Kino Insider for now.
He didn’t sound convincing and definitely was not definitive in my mind.

There is nothing to suggest that SC won’t let Criterion release newer versions using recent restoration over the the god awful Lionsgate versions. And still allow the Lionsgate versions to stay in print, much like Universal keeping their editions in print after Criterion releases their’s.

As I said up thread, I can’t imagine SC not wanting the newer restorations released in region A.


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Re: Criterion and StudioCanal

#1153 Post by hearthesilence » Tue Dec 25, 2018 1:05 pm

The Third Man is a no-brainer, there's already a BD out in the UK using the new 4K restoration, but the sound has problems, so that's the major concern - if Criterion puts it out, they're better off using a soundtrack from their previous releases. In fact, the soundtrack on their first DVD release would be better than their later and OOP Blu-Ray and DVD releases because they compressed the hell out of the sound on those later releases.

I'm wary of a Ran release because there's no guarantee Criterion can fix the color. They've been forced to release restorations with bad revisionist timing multiple times before, like L'argent, The Color of Pomegranates and Muriel, all of which are especially galling because one never had decent home releases of any of those titles.

And I'd wait and see about Contempt as well - MoMI had a Rialto retrospective earlier this year that screened the latest DCP of Contempt, and it looked pretty crummy to me. If that was sourced from the best available digital master, and ultimately what Criterion would have to use, it's nothing to get excited about.

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Re: Criterion and StudioCanal

#1154 Post by criterionoop » Tue Dec 25, 2018 2:02 pm

The 50th Anniversary restoration of CONTEMPT was atrocious, especially considering that partway through the screening of Fritz Lang's film, every character in the film starts speaking English (how could they not realize they inserted a dubbed reel into the film).

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Re: Criterion and StudioCanal

#1155 Post by KJones77 » Tue Dec 25, 2018 3:47 pm

FrauBlucher wrote:
Tue Dec 25, 2018 12:35 pm
RSTooley wrote:I don't see any reason to disbelieve Kino Insider for now.
He didn’t sound convincing and definitely was not definitive in my mind.

There is nothing to suggest that SC won’t let Criterion release newer versions using recent restoration over the the god awful Lionsgate versions. And still allow the Lionsgate versions to stay in print, much like Universal keeping their editions in print after Criterion releases their’s.

As I said up thread, I can’t imagine SC not wanting the newer restorations released in region A.
I don't see how this isn't definitive.

Unless Criterion (who may not even have a new SC deal) struck a different agreement with them, it sounds like all Lionsgate released titles were entirely off the table.

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Re: Criterion and StudioCanal

#1156 Post by domino harvey » Tue Dec 25, 2018 4:12 pm

For Kino Lorber

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Re: Criterion and StudioCanal

#1157 Post by FrauBlucher » Tue Dec 25, 2018 10:37 pm

KJones77 wrote:
Tue Dec 25, 2018 3:47 pm
Unless Criterion (who may not even have a new SC deal) struck a different agreement with them
Just a reminder that the SC rep was at the Criterion offices. And in her comment she said, "And many more soon!"
dwk wrote:
Wed Jun 13, 2018 2:07 pm
Juliette Hochart from StudioCanal was at Criterion's office and posted this on instagram


juliette_hochart: The best of #studiocanalcatalogue at the cinephilie temple #criterion

margauxinlondon: Mulholland Drive! Of course ✨

juliette_hochart: ... and Blood Simple. And many more soon!

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Re: Criterion and StudioCanal

#1158 Post by ftsoh » Wed Dec 26, 2018 3:11 am

On end credit of The Art of Subtitling short docu in Panique, Grand Illusion was mentioned as available in the Criterion Collection. Perhaps this is a good sign?

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Re: Criterion and StudioCanal

#1159 Post by MichaelB » Wed Dec 26, 2018 4:27 am

ftsoh wrote:On end credit of The Art of Subtitling short docu in Panique, Grand Illusion was mentioned as available in the Criterion Collection. Perhaps this is a good sign?
Or a statement of long-established fact, as far as the DVD is concerned?

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Re: Criterion and StudioCanal

#1160 Post by yoloswegmaster » Wed Dec 26, 2018 9:38 am

MichaelB wrote:
Wed Dec 26, 2018 4:27 am
ftsoh wrote:On end credit of The Art of Subtitling short docu in Panique, Grand Illusion was mentioned as available in the Criterion Collection. Perhaps this is a good sign?
Or a statement of long-established fact, as far as the DVD is concerned?
The DVD has been OOP for almost 9 years now tho.

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Re: Criterion and StudioCanal

#1161 Post by FrauBlucher » Sat Jan 19, 2019 2:04 pm

We missed this. Earlier in the week Janus tweeted Diary of a Country Priest
What I'm confused about is Janus tweeting these titles when they are with Rialto. Would Rialto be losing the theatrical distribution rights as well?

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Re: Criterion and StudioCanal

#1162 Post by FrauBlucher » Thu Jan 24, 2019 10:32 pm

Question on the Blu-ray.com forum....
Any news on the Jacques Becker titles like Le Trou and Touchez pas au grisbi getting released by Kino?

KL Insider...
One of them is part of our deal, pretty sure the other is with another label.

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Re: Criterion and StudioCanal

#1163 Post by yoloswegmaster » Thu Jan 24, 2019 11:42 pm

Hope Criterion decides to add some features to 'Le Trou' if they indeed did get the rights back for it.

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Re: Criterion and StudioCanal

#1164 Post by captveg » Thu Jan 31, 2019 7:02 pm

Kino Lorber Insider on Blu-ray.com:
[Shout Factory] didn't have first dibs, we're were the ones that met with [StudioCanal] and got them to release the unexploited Lionsgate titles for licensing. The word got out and we were outbid for most of the horror titles by them and some key arthouse titles by another label.

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Re: Criterion and StudioCanal

#1165 Post by yoloswegmaster » Thu Jan 31, 2019 8:18 pm

KL Insider on Criterion possibly having the rights to 'Peeping Tom':
Maybe so, but we have a bunch of titles Criterion had released on DVD. We've announced a bunch already.

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Re: Criterion and StudioCanal

#1166 Post by KJones77 » Mon Feb 11, 2019 6:52 pm

KL Insider was asked about The Trial and said they "asked for it, but it was already promised to another label."

Definitely not a Shout title, so if Criterion is the other company with an SC deal, seems likely that they've gotten the rights to the film.

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Re: Criterion and StudioCanal

#1167 Post by FrauBlucher » Mon Feb 11, 2019 6:55 pm

KJones77 wrote:KL Insider was asked about The Trial and said they "asked for it, but it was already promised to another label."

Definitely not a Shout title, so if Criterion is the other company with an SC deal, seems likely that they've gotten the rights to the film.
I was told by a source that Criterion still has lots of Welles coming. So this makes sense.

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Re: Criterion and StudioCanal

#1168 Post by dwk » Wed Feb 20, 2019 12:08 pm

A few days ago ar the Blu-ray.com forums, Kino insider posted
The two Musketeers films are with another label (not Shout).

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Re: Criterion and StudioCanal

#1169 Post by yoloswegmaster » Wed Feb 20, 2019 12:25 pm

Another user on the Blu-ray.com forums posted this yesterday regarding the Muskateer films:
Through a very good source, I heard both Lester films are with Criterion.

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Re: Criterion and StudioCanal

#1170 Post by yoloswegmaster » Tue Mar 19, 2019 4:53 pm

I asked KI Insider if they got the rights to any of the Powell and Pressburger films and they had this to say:
We thought we had one P&P movie and one Michael Powell one, but they ended up with another label.
Could they be referring to Tales of Hoffmann and Peeping Tom?

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Re: Criterion and StudioCanal

#1171 Post by FrauBlucher » Tue Mar 19, 2019 4:54 pm

Most likely.

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Re: Criterion and StudioCanal

#1172 Post by captveg » Tue Mar 19, 2019 5:20 pm

So far as I can tell, the confirmed former Criterion titles confirmed to be with Kino are:

Alphaville
Billy Liar
Bob le flambeur
Le doulos
Kind Hearts and Coronets
Last Year at Marienbad
Léon Morin, Priest
The Milky Way
Quai des Orfèvres
Port of Shadows
Touchez Pas au Grisbi

And here are the former Criterion titles Kino has confirmed are with other labels/retained by Lionsgate:

Army of Shadows
Carlos Saura's Flamenco Trilogy
Le cercle rouge
Contempt
Diary of a Country Priest
The Fallen Idol
Forbidden Games
Grand Illusion
The Man Who Fell to Earth
Nights of Cabiria
Peeping Tom
Pierrot le fou
Ran
Tales of Hoffman
That Obscure Object of Desire
The Third Man
Le Trou
Variety Lights
The White Sheik

Finally, titles unconfirmed either way:

Le corbeau
Coup de torchon
The Discreet Charm of the Bourgeoisie
Gervaise
Le jour se lève
Last Holiday
Mafiosa
Mayerling
Murderous Maids
The Orphic Trilogy (excluding Orpheus)
The Phantom of Liberty
The Small Back Room
A Woman Is a Woman

Updated 4/13/19
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Re: Criterion and StudioCanal

#1173 Post by yoloswegmaster » Tue Mar 19, 2019 5:25 pm

Can we make a list of titles that have been confirmed by KL Insider to be coming from "other labels"?

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Re: Criterion and StudioCanal

#1174 Post by FrauBlucher » Tue Mar 19, 2019 5:30 pm

The Kino Insider went from definitivly to now 'most likely' in regards to SC/Lionsgate titles....
The Third Man is most likely still with Lionsgate. Not everything was licensed, LG had first dibs.
And maybe Criterion gets the rights back to those OOP titles that Lionsgate have when their deal expires

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Re: Criterion and StudioCanal

#1175 Post by domino harvey » Tue Mar 19, 2019 5:47 pm

Considering we’ve seen zero OOP StudioCanal titles return to Criterion, I think we should start preparing for the possible eventuality that none are with Criterion. I could easily see the label saying “Well, fuck that” to dealing with them after the original rights mess

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