2001: A Space Odyssey (Stanley Kubrick, 1968)
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I would hope that he understands a bit more about the subject nine years later. Especially given the reaction at the time.
- Lost Highway
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I hope so too but I always found him an awful film critic. Before him they had the equally dreadful Derek Malcolm as their main critic.MichaelB wrote:I would hope that he understands a bit more about the subject nine years later. Especially given the reaction at the time.
- htom
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Another article.StevenJ0001 wrote:Agreed! That article told me next to nothing about this restoration (though I'm not knocking Lachino for posting it).Lost Highway wrote:Is it just me who finds this article confusing ? It announces a ”new restored 70mm print” of the unrestored presentation.Lachino wrote:Here's Nolan on 2001 at Cannes
I'm very curious about how these new prints differ from other fairly recently struck 70mm prints.
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In the end, using the term "unrestored" is just quite snub to call what simply is a conservative restoration trying to be very faithful to the original elements.
AKA simply a competent restoration.
AKA simply a competent restoration.
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...that presumably doesn't look that different to what I saw back in 2001 [sic], when there was a 70mm revival.
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I saw the restoration yesterday and can definitely recommend it. I think one of the issues with this film is that since it was shot on 70mm, I keep expecting it to look something like Lawrence of Arabia and it just wasn't shot that way, and is never going to look that crisp. While I'm no expert, I believe I've seen enough films in 35mm at this point to say it absolutely seemed like a faithful recreation of a film of this vintage. I saw this in 70mm a few years ago at MOMI and that print was from the 90s or early 2000s (opened with AOL-Time Warner logo). That print was a bit faded, a little underwhelming. Last night, instead, was crisp with really beautiful colors and incredibly rich blacks. I noticed details I've absolutely never noticed before, like the IBM logo on one of the character's watches.
If you've never seen the film theatrically or on a print, this is definitely a worthwhile way to see it. I'll also say that the music/sound was unbelievable, and stood out to me even more than the imagery. This is the second time that's happened to me with a Kubrick film in the last year, the first being with The Shining. As nice as it is to see the films on celluloid, the true thing I felt like I was getting theatrically that I could never get in my home theater was an unreal sensory experience through the sound design.
If you've never seen the film theatrically or on a print, this is definitely a worthwhile way to see it. I'll also say that the music/sound was unbelievable, and stood out to me even more than the imagery. This is the second time that's happened to me with a Kubrick film in the last year, the first being with The Shining. As nice as it is to see the films on celluloid, the true thing I felt like I was getting theatrically that I could never get in my home theater was an unreal sensory experience through the sound design.
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If only there were any indication this would be anywhere in my area. Our arthouses in the city not having either 3D (semi-recent Godard and Herzogs) nor 70mm (The Master, this) projection has been a giant bummer over and over again. The only one I know of around here is at a Regal multiplex in the suburbs, and I doubt this'll make it there the way, say, The Hateful Eight or a Nolan does.
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Though it's making its way down to DC in July, I'm a little surprised it's taking so long, considering most other major markets seem to be getting it in these first two or three weeks and this is where, like, the movie premiered. I wasn't expecting them to book it at the Uptown (where it did premiere) considering they can't play 70mm and the theater itself, while totally cool that it still exists and there's basically nowhere else I'd rather see a gigantic new movie, is kind of grubby and projection is lousy, but I'm also surprised that they had a special engagement this past weekend at the Smithsonina's Air and Space Museum with Douglas Turnbull in attendance... except that theater got rid of its 70mm capabilities in 2015, and the Natural History Museum (which also had a 70mm-compatible IMAX screen) shut down last year, so they just played the restored version as a DCP, which I would never go to considering the film version is coming around the corner. It's just five weeks, I guess, but it's irritating that the discourse around this big rerelease will be so far ahead of this market.
This is very much a test case, I think: the 70mm reissue of Lawrence of Arabia based on the previous restoration will probably follow before the end of the year with a fairly similar release. I *think* the studios understand this is a pretty potentially lucrative thing to invest in going forward, and theater owners will be trying to account for this surge in interest when considering their projection capabilities whenever they're renovating.
This is very much a test case, I think: the 70mm reissue of Lawrence of Arabia based on the previous restoration will probably follow before the end of the year with a fairly similar release. I *think* the studios understand this is a pretty potentially lucrative thing to invest in going forward, and theater owners will be trying to account for this surge in interest when considering their projection capabilities whenever they're renovating.
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So the "unrestored" print itself doesn't look as yellow/grubby as the trailer they released made it seem? From what I saw there, this struck me as the film equivalent of folks who like dirty, scratched records because they sound "warmer" than CDs, which is bunk (not to get into a digital/analog war, though) ...
There was a newly-struck 70mm print of Lawrence, derived form the digital restoration, that just played at the Castro Theater in SF a few months ago. Unfortunately, it already had a big scratch right across the sun during the famous match cut... but it otherwise looked very good. Are you saying you think we might get an "unrestored" Lawrence, too?Ribs wrote: ↑Wed May 23, 2018 11:02 am...This is very much a test case, I think: the 70mm reissue of Lawrence of Arabia based on the previous restoration will probably follow before the end of the year with a fairly similar release. I *think* the studios understand this is a pretty potentially lucrative thing to invest in going forward, and theater owners will be trying to account for this surge in interest when considering their projection capabilities whenever they're renovating.
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Not at all. Print was very clean. Looked like a fresh new print, well-done.
- senseabove
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Interesting. I wonder why the trailer looked so grubby, then... The white spaceship walls looked like a Luby's smoking section!
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The trailer looked like it was colour graded to make it look more like contemporary film, with warmer colors.senseabove wrote: ↑Wed May 23, 2018 4:41 pmInteresting. I wonder why the trailer looked so grubby, then... The white spaceship walls looked like a Luby's smoking section!
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Where are you getting the idea that this isn't based on Nolan's (non)restoration? I've read multiple sources saying that's exactly what it is.flyonthewall2983 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 7:52 pm4K Blu release is now pushed up to 10/30. Not scanned from the Nolan version.
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It was explained in the comments section on the thedigitalbits Facebook post
Note that this is NOT scanned from the Nolan presentation!! They went back to the original camera negative, and did proper digital restoration (removing scratches, etc) and HDR color grading in both HDR10 and Dolby Vision.
One is a film presentation made for 70mm theatrical release from the original negative but not restored, the other is a full home video presentation and restoration for Ultra HD and Blu-ray made from the original negative and properly color timed. It's two different presentation venues.
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I almost drove 6 hours to see this but something makes me very uncomfortable about this Nolan color timing. Certainly has a Dunkirk or orange and teal like vibe that is apparent and troubling.
A good YouTube video illustrating the color differences is here..
https://youtu.be/k1JIkK7-fUI
Looking forward to the new 4K from Warner.
A good YouTube video illustrating the color differences is here..
https://youtu.be/k1JIkK7-fUI
Looking forward to the new 4K from Warner.
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Pure long-shot speculation/question here, but would the Nolan restoration have a chance of it's own release somewhere down the road? Maybe even with Criterion?
- miless
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I saw the print in Portland, and have to say it looked great. The opening shots seemed to actually blend the color timing of foreground and background, something which I've never seen in any previous version (fixing the one technical flaw i've had with the film, it looked quite real tbh), and, with the exception of the magenta chairs on the space station (which appeared a bit too dark), I thought that the print looked quite true to every other version I've seen.
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Glad to read that the also are bringing out a new Blu-ray. It's going to be a while till I can afford to upgrade to 4K.
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It makes you start to wonder how much of the infamous Ritrovato restoration color palette is just them recreating what a faded print apparently looks likeFloyd wrote: ↑Fri Jun 22, 2018 2:48 amI almost drove 6 hours to see this but something makes me very uncomfortable about this Nolan color timing. Certainly has a Dunkirk or orange and teal like vibe that is apparent and troubling.
A good YouTube video illustrating the color differences is here..
https://youtu.be/k1JIkK7-fUI
Looking forward to the new 4K from Warner.
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At the risk of stating the obvious, the trailer was just something put together by the studio to promote the film, it comes from a digital source, and it more than likely does not reflect the look of the 70mm print. They would not have scanned directly from the 70mm release prints to create the trailer.
If it looks teal and orange, it's probably because the editor or colorist who worked on the trailer added that look.
Out, damned LUT! Out, I say!
If it looks teal and orange, it's probably because the editor or colorist who worked on the trailer added that look.
Out, damned LUT! Out, I say!
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But Nolan was closely involved with the UHD version, wasn't he? I am presuming the color timing will essentially be the same as the new prints--am I wrong?
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Isn’t the basic polemical point of the Nolan version that it’s 100% photochemical and should only be seen in 70mm presentations?flyonthewall2983 wrote:Pure long-shot speculation/question here, but would the Nolan restoration have a chance of it's own release somewhere down the road? Maybe even with Criterion?