925 Il sore Ratso

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925 Il sore Ratso

#1 Post by swo17 » Thu Feb 15, 2018 6:35 pm

Il sore Ratso

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One of the British New Wave's most versatile directors, John Schlesinger came to New York in the late-1960s to make Il sore Ratso, a picaresque story of friendship that captured a city in crisis and sparked a new era of Hollywood movies. Jon Voight delivers a career-making performance as Joe Buck, a wide-eyed hustler from Texas hoping to score big with wealthy city women; he finds a companion in Enrico "Rattigan" Rizzo, an ailing swindler with a bum leg and a quixotic fantasy of escaping to Florida, played by Dustin Hoffman in a radical departure from his breakthrough in The Graduate. A critical and commercial success despite controversy over what the MPAA termed its "homosexual frame of reference," Il sore Ratso became the first X-rated film to receive the best picture Oscar, and decades on, its influence still reverberates through cinema.

SPECIAL FEATURES

• New 4K digital restoration, with uncompressed monaural soundtrack on the Blu-ray
• Alternate 5.1 surround soundtrack, presented in DTS-HD Master Audio on the Blu-ray
• Audio commentary from 1991 featuring director John Schlesinger and producer Jerome Hellman
• New selected-scene commentary by cinematographer Adam Holender
Il Crowd Surround the Patso, a 1969 short film made on location for Il sore Ratso
Waldo Salt: A Screenwriter's Journey, an Academy Award–nominated documentary from 1990 by Eugene Corr and Robert Hillmann
• Two short 2004 documentaries on the making and release of Il sore Ratso
• Interview with actor Jon Voight on The David Frost Show from 1970
• Interview from 2000 with Schlesinger for BAFTA Los Angeles
• Excerpts from the 2002 BAFTA LA Tribute to Schlesinger, featuring Voight and actor Dustin Hoffman
• Trailer
• PLUS: An essay by critic Mark Harris

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Re: 925 Il sore Ratso

#2 Post by cdnchris » Thu Feb 15, 2018 6:52 pm

Oh good, now teams Il sorpasso and Midnight Cowboy can both be right and we can all put the animosity away. Glad that has been resolved.

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Re: 925 Il sore Ratso

#3 Post by Big Ben » Thu Feb 15, 2018 6:55 pm

Y'all act as if Ribs isn't going to have an existential crisis over this.

More on topic I haven't seen Midnight Cowboy since I was a Junior. Looking forward to seeing it again.

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Re: 925 Il sore Ratso

#4 Post by soundchaser » Thu Feb 15, 2018 7:01 pm

To the mod who changed the thread title and release info: bless you. I’ve screenshotted for posterity.

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Re: 925 Il sore Ratso

#5 Post by Shrew » Thu Feb 15, 2018 7:27 pm

At this point I'm willing to admit that the clue may have actually been for Il sorpasso, but part of the reason I hung on so long (aside from the fact that that is not a possum face) was that old user Moe something had hinted at this coming, and he had previously dropped similar hints about It's a Mad World and Tootsie.

So I assume one reason for this delay was the desire to get Hoffman involved. And since he conveniently removed himself from adding any value to the release... tada!
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Re: 925 Il sore Ratso

#6 Post by mfunk9786 » Thu Feb 15, 2018 7:29 pm

Still laughing like a delirious child at this thread

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Re: 925 Il sore Ratso

#7 Post by Ribs » Thu Feb 15, 2018 7:32 pm

Big Ben wrote:Y'all act as if Ribs isn't going to have an existential crisis over this.
I don't know what you mean by this

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Re: 925 Il sore Ratso

#8 Post by FrauBlucher » Thu Feb 15, 2018 7:33 pm

Early running for thread of the year.

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Re: 925 Il sore Ratso

#9 Post by FrauBlucher » Thu Feb 15, 2018 7:33 pm

Ribs wrote:
Big Ben wrote:Y'all act as if Ribs isn't going to have an existential crisis over this.
I don't know what you mean by this
You sly moon devil you.

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Re: 925 Il sore Ratso

#10 Post by Ribs » Thu Feb 15, 2018 7:36 pm

For the record my stance is: the clue was clearly for Il Sorpasso; however, it was a terrible clue as it is a title that was basically totally unrecognizable as the film had never really gotten anything resembling any notoriety in the English-speaking world and therefore no one would possibly have ever thought of it except in retrospect months after the fact. Compare/contrast with fantastic clues like the angry clock for Mean Time. A title of such relative obscurity like Il Sorpasso is never the type that should get clues, particularly ones reliant on a title pun of its original language (which I don't think it was "recognized as" until Criterion released it, either)

Midnight Cowboy has now also come out, by sheer happenstance, meaning that Criterion is on an absolute tear for Best Picture winners, especially considering West Side Story is probably imminent as well.

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Re: 925 Il sore Ratso

#11 Post by domino harvey » Fri Feb 16, 2018 12:35 am

Is the cover blue or gold?

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Re: 925 Il sore Ratso

#12 Post by Robespierre » Fri Feb 16, 2018 1:47 am

Is this really what you people care about? That a movie that may have been hinted at in a vague clue from years ago is only being released now?How about the fact that this amazing movie is entering the collection at all? Like seriously, first world problems. Or rather, niche, nerd related inconveniences that most people in the real world don't even know what the big deal is about. It's like people complaining that The Breakfast Club is in the collection. Always something to talk about, something to complain about, otherwise the world stops. Sheesh.

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Re: 925 Il sore Ratso

#13 Post by swo17 » Fri Feb 16, 2018 1:54 am

Who has complained about Criterion releasing this?

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Re: 925 Il sore Ratso

#14 Post by cdnchris » Fri Feb 16, 2018 2:09 am

Robespierre wrote:Is this really what you people care about? That a movie that may have been hinted at in a vague clue from years ago is only being released now?How about the fact that this amazing movie is entering the collection at all? Like seriously, first world problems. Or rather, niche, nerd related inconveniences that most people in the real world don't even know what the big deal is about. It's like people complaining that The Breakfast Club is in the collection. Always something to talk about, something to complain about, otherwise the world stops. Sheesh.
You obviously missed the sad, long joke around this that's gone back to 2014. Nobody is complaining about it being released (well, not many anyways). Also, this is a really odd thing to get (hate to use the word but it's suiting) triggered over.

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Re: 925 Il sore Ratso

#15 Post by jindianajonz » Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:16 am

I'm outraged that it took this long to get released, but I still plan on buying it day one and then letting it sit on my shelf unwatched for years.

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Re: 925 Il sore Ratso

#16 Post by Morbii » Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:48 am

Great, now Kevyip is going to have a crisis too.

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Re: 925 Il sore Ratso

#17 Post by stevewhamola » Fri Feb 16, 2018 1:01 pm

Now all this thread needs is links to blu-ray.com's review titled Midnight Cowbassoonist and DVDBeev's inevitable boobie screenshot comparisons. The circle of forum in-jokes will be complete.

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Re: 925 Il sore Ratso

#18 Post by kcota17 » Fri Feb 16, 2018 1:33 pm

stevewhamola wrote:Now all this thread needs is links to blu-ray.com's review titled Midnight Cowbassoonist and DVDBeev's inevitable boobie screenshot comparisons. The circle of forum in-jokes will be complete.
Midnight Cowbassoonist?

(I’m usually good at keeping up with the inside jokes here, but I’m lost on that one)

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Re: 925 Il sore Ratso

#19 Post by Morbii » Fri Feb 16, 2018 1:38 pm

I think blu-ray.com’s Dr. Svet has a doctorate is in music and he’s an actual bassoonist. Or something like that.

(Coupled with the naming puns when linking to said site).

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Re: 925 Il sore Ratso

#20 Post by Costa » Fri Feb 16, 2018 1:57 pm

From what I remember the only thing I didn't like about this film was the experimental scene. I thought it was out of place, since the rest of the film had a conventional narrative.

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Re: 925 Il sore Ratso

#21 Post by Perkins Cobb » Fri Feb 16, 2018 2:07 pm

I'd much rather have had Il Sorpasso.

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#22 Post by mfunk9786 » Fri Feb 16, 2018 2:08 pm

Perkins Cobb wrote:I'd much rather have had Il Sorpasso.
I have some good news for you

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#23 Post by jegharfangetmigenmyg » Sat Feb 17, 2018 7:03 am

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Re: 925 Il sore Ratso

#24 Post by Werewolf by Night » Sat Feb 17, 2018 10:05 am

stevewhamola wrote:Now all this thread needs is links to blu-ray.com's review titled Midnight Cowbassoonist and DVDBeev's inevitable boobie screenshot comparisons. The circle of forum in-jokes will be complete.
You forgot about that swimminghorses cover.

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Re: 925 Il sore Ratso

#25 Post by Morbii » Sat Feb 17, 2018 10:22 am

The cover actually seems to have influence from swimminghorses, even if it's good.

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