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PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 11:37 am 
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Rouge One

Is that what they called the porno version?

Or, the film failed in China because the audience thought it was a prequel to Stanley Kwan's Ruan Lingyu biopic.

ETA: Oops, mixed that one up too.


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 12:05 pm 
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Is the Daldry/Obi-wan thing anymore than rumor? Given that nothing of that has been announced yet, nothing has come up to replace whatever Josh Trank was working on, and the only news of new Star Wars is Johnson's trilogy, I wouldn't be surprised if Disney were stepping away or reconsidering the one-off films. Each project in "Star Wars Stories" has had its share of behind the scenes troubles, so perhaps they prefer the greater control and direction that trilogies might offer them. Or, as Ribs sort of gets at above, maybe Johnson's films take up the main/trilogy mantle, and then the new spin-off films focus on Finn/Rey/Poe/etc. rather than another trilogy centered on those characters (single films probably being easier to negotiate contracts for). I imagine this is McCrutchy's nightmare scenario.

And while I don't think Rouge One was a failure or disappointment to Disney at large, it does seem to have failed at the secondary task of building up an audience in the Chinese market. Despite Donnie Yen and Jiang Wen, Rouge One earned half the receipts of Force Awakens in China, and now Last Jedi has flat-out bombed there. That, more than any distancing from the original trilogy, is probably the biggest threat to the franchise's future/Disney's main concern. Indeed, it makes it more likely that Disney will pursue new avenues, characters, and settings, rather than lean on nostalgia for the original films (which is non-existent in China).


It wasn't a rumor - he is in development on the film. That doesn't necessarily mean it will be made, but it's the only whisper we've heard of anything brewing on these other films in the past year or two so it's not unreasonable to assume it's the next one in line. The Boba Fett film was seemingly thrown out with Trank (and was probably intended to come out in Solo's place - thankfully Disney avoided such production headaches by getting rid of Trank before the film was seriously in the pre-production phase.) I don't necessarily see why Ewan McGregor would need to have committed to such a thing at this point, a solid 18 months out from the earliest they could start filming (he's a busy working actor, but he's got no other franchises short of his Christopher Robin reboot becoming a runaway success). He clearly would love to do it, I don't imagine it'll require much persuading on his part.

Ultimately, it's almost certain that when all's said and done Solo will comfortably have put Disney in the point where it's made its money back from acquiring Lucasfilm (if you were to go entirely off box office, it already has, but to factor in the billion they've spent making four blockbuster films it'll take one more film to push it over the margin). And so it really doesn't matter - Disney's successfully bolstered their library with the most valuable franchise on the planet and have gotten Indiana Jones for free on top of it. Anything from that point on is just adding to that.

I don't really think of an Obi-Wan film as theoretically being reliant on nostalgia for the original films! I guess it's possible that these "Star Wars Stories" (they're not really called that) are actually *all* direct prequels to Star Wars and they'll each end with the characters the moment before we see them in the original film, which'd be an interesting path to take, but I'm hopeful that at least Solo won't take that path and leave things a little less pat (and I'd be more willing to believe an Obi-Wan film would just be an independent space adventure rather than, like, doing the Searchers but with the Sand People). I think a part of Rogue One that was ignored is the way it really did lean into the recent revisionist take on the Prequels, that they were worthy and inspired (the latter I can kind of see), and Rogue One really worked to ingratiate the nostalgia for the original films to be inseparable with characters and actors we didn't really care about in the prequels. Again, it's just a savvy move that increases the worth of the prequels as part of the set, and an Obi-Wan film seems like a culmination of that idea. But I think the idea of having the main films be the *new* things and the other films be the old things would be a smart way of separating the two into distinct entities.

Oh, and also: there is a very high probability Episode IX outgrosses the Last Jedi, because people like turning up to see "the last one." Same happened to the last two third films.


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 1:22 pm 
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The problem is, I don't think you can make a film like Solo or an Obi-Wan film without near-constant winking at the audience to make them feel smugly satisfied in their knowledge of references to past material with those characters. It's all franchise movies seem to do anymore. I would figure as much as Chinese audiences are looking for something new, American audiences practically demand to be made to feel smugly satisfied in their knowledge of deep franchise lore, and not be challenged with too much new stuff (I haven't seen it yet, but aren't any and all new additions to The Last Jedi the things that are garnering the most anger from hardcore Star Wars fans?)


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 1:35 pm 
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why isn't solo coming out in december 18? makes more sense than may at this point.


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 1:36 pm 
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movielocke wrote:
why isn't solo coming out in december 18? makes more sense than may at this point.

They already have the Han Solo Lego sets ready; there's no going back now.


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 1:39 pm 
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I expect it's that they *don't* want Star Wars in December to become a thing everyone associates with the franchise, because Avatar 2 and 3 *needs* to come out in December to have any hopes of even coming close to replicating the success of the first (now that Disney will own Avatar).


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 1:57 pm 
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mfunk9786 wrote:
I haven't seen it yet, but aren't any and all new additions to The Last Jedi the things that are garnering the most anger from hardcore Star Wars fans?

The most frequent complaints I've seen are the inclusion of a certain socially conscious minority character and Luke not being the same person he was in his twenties.


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 2:36 pm 
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swo17 wrote:
mfunk9786 wrote:
I haven't seen it yet, but aren't any and all new additions to The Last Jedi the things that are garnering the most anger from hardcore Star Wars fans?

The most frequent complaints I've seen are the inclusion of a certain socially conscious minority character and Luke not being the same person he was in his twenties.


I had one gentleman tell me this was much more okay than Rose who happens to be Asian telling me she didn't fit within the lore and was shoehorned in for Social Justice points. These are the same folks who tend to ignore Watto. Who is totally not a caricature. When I pointed this out to him he hand-waved it away.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 2:43 pm 
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swo17 wrote:
mfunk9786 wrote:
I haven't seen it yet, but aren't any and all new additions to The Last Jedi the things that are garnering the most anger from hardcore Star Wars fans?

The most frequent complaints I've seen are ... Luke not being the same person he was in his twenties.

This could have been solved by casting Bruce Willis as the old version of the character, thus dramatizing the way that even though it's the same character, they're really more like two different people.


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 2:56 pm 
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Also, Todd Solondz should've directed


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 6:44 pm 
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Brian C wrote:
swo17 wrote:
mfunk9786 wrote:
I haven't seen it yet, but aren't any and all new additions to The Last Jedi the things that are garnering the most anger from hardcore Star Wars fans?

The most frequent complaints I've seen are ... Luke not being the same person he was in his twenties.

This could have been solved by casting Bruce Willis as the old version of the character, thus dramatizing the way that even though it's the same character, they're really more like two different people.

If Bruce Willis is going to play Old Luke, then the obvious solution here is to have Rian Johnson get the Star Wars negatives back out, and make a new Episode IV: A New 3rd Rock from The Suns of Tattooine, with Joseph Gordon-Levitt as Young Luke, John Lithgow as Obi-Wan Kenobi and Kristen Johnson as Princess Leia. Jane Curtin could be Yoda, and French Stewart could play all the Stormtroopers.


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 4:19 am 
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Ribs wrote:
I guess it's possible that these "Star Wars Stories" (they're not really called that) are actually *all* direct prequels to Star Wars and they'll each end with the characters the moment before we see them in the original film, which'd be an interesting path to take, but I'm hopeful that at least Solo won't take that path and leave things a little less pat


movielocke wrote:
why isn't solo coming out in december 18? makes more sense than may at this point.

SOLO is going to end with Solo sitting down in the Mos Eisley cantina, shooting Greedo first, cut to STAR WARS UNALTERED EDITION DEC 18.


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 12:32 pm 
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swo17 wrote:
The most frequent complaints I've seen are the inclusion of a certain socially conscious minority character and Luke not being the same person he was in his twenties.
Don't forget the porgs shaming Chewie for eating meat (their only real purpose in the movie). Between that and the big fuss made over the treatment of the racing animals, you'd think Johnson was a member of PETA or something. :P


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 2:22 pm 
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swo17 wrote:
Is that what they called the porno version?
That would be Rough One.


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 6:39 pm 
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MoonlitKnight wrote:
swo17 wrote:
The most frequent complaints I've seen are the inclusion of a certain socially conscious minority character and Luke not being the same person he was in his twenties.
Don't forget the porgs shaming Chewie for eating meat (their only real purpose in the movie). Between that and the big fuss made over the treatment of the racing animals, you'd think Johnson was a member of PETA or something. :P

The porgs' literal purpose in the movie is that Skellig Michael has a protected puffin population and they kept wandering through shots, so the porgs were something to paint over the with. They're also obviously comic relief, which I would say is the clear purpose of that scene with Chewie- it's just something goofy in an otherwise very serious subplot.


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 9:38 pm 
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I would have loved that Chewie scene to end with him tossing the carcass aside, only for the living Porgs to devour it.


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