870 Othello

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Re: 870 Othello

#101 Post by Morbii » Sun Oct 15, 2017 9:23 pm

Anyone notice that at 1:27:38 (1952 version) Othello says “nay”, and it sounds like a computer voice?

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Re: 870 Othello

#102 Post by Drucker » Fri Nov 24, 2017 11:36 pm

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criterion10 wrote:Including both cuts of this is indeed fantastic. Am I correct in assuming that the recent 2K restoration of the 1992 Beatrice Welles-approved version is largely looked down upon, and thus inconsequential to include?
The biggest problem people have with it is the stereo music soundtrack, which obviously wouldn't have existed in 1952.

The 1992 version is the only one I've seen and I admit it's probably my least favorite Welles, so I'm hoping these other versions bring something new for me.
I've seen whatever version of this film was available via Netflix DVD a few years ago and having only seen the 1992 film once, two years ago, I can't immediately say how different the versions are, but what a difference my viewing tonight made. The film that was too abstract, weird, and hard to follow finally clicked with the Criterion. The soundtrack is among Welles' best, and indeed the original score makes quite a difference compared to the re-recording.

The film is incredibly intimidating and jarring. The film's depiction of Othello's mental downfall is very strong, and something that occurred to me is the film actually previews a lot of what Mr. Arkadin does. The scene of Othello coming to after laying down on the beach and the bath scene are probably the best. Even by Welles' standards of interesting use of camera, these scenes stand out as being disorienting in a very positive way. There's something particularly low about Iago and the protagonist in Arkadin, even when compared to similar characters in other films of his.

This film became one of my favorite Welles films tonight. Absolutely sensational.

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Re: 870 Othello

#103 Post by Big Ben » Sat Nov 25, 2017 12:40 am

Drucker wrote:
This film became one of my favorite Welles films tonight. Absolutely sensational.
Which version did you watch? I've been meaning to pick up a copy myself and I've been wondering which version people prefer.

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Re: 870 Othello

#104 Post by Drucker » Sat Nov 25, 2017 2:03 pm

I watched the 1952 version.

I also just watched Filming Othello and it is absolutely superb. I would summarize it as saying it by saying it's more or less an ideal commentary track. Not only are there interesting story of the production history and how the film came to be, but the in-depth discussion of the film itself is deeper than I can ever remember experiencing anywhere else. Welles talks in-depth about the evolution of the architecture in the film and its progress to match the overall tone of the film, which was lost on me even in last night's viewing. And then there's a great discussion about the source materials with a few of the actors from the film. Interestingly, this happens over a dinner party. Towards the end of the party, Welles is filmed in such a way that it almost feels like he re-recorded parts of his thoughts after the fact. Does anyone know if this is the case?

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Re: 870 Othello

#105 Post by hearthesilence » Sat Nov 25, 2017 3:55 pm

This was indeed the case. The shots with him in them were filmed much later - I believe a few years later too. Except for a difference in audio quality of Welles’s talking (and even then in just a spot or two) it’s pretty seamless how he re-cut himself into the conversation.

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#106 Post by Drucker » Sat Nov 25, 2017 4:43 pm

The filming is just vastly different. The other two seem to be a part of a live hand held dinner party shot, whereas shots of Welles have no overlapping dialogue, a still camera, and totally different film grain.

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Re: 870 Othello

#107 Post by swo17 » Sat Nov 25, 2017 5:01 pm

Since people are actually watching this thing, I might mention that Souvenirs d'Othello contains what I would assume is a spoiler for The Other Side of the Wind.

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Re: 870 Othello

#108 Post by Roger Ryan » Mon Nov 27, 2017 1:57 pm

Drucker wrote:The filming is just vastly different. The other two seem to be a part of a live hand held dinner party shot, whereas shots of Welles have no overlapping dialogue, a still camera, and totally different film grain.
Welles also mismatched the angles here so both he and Edwards/MacLiammoir are looking in the same direction (a no-no for interview footage). He could have flipped all of the shots of his interview subjects to create a more seamless match, but...

I'm sure I've mentioned this numerous times in this thread, but the 1952 edit is the best of the two in my opinion: the additional Venice footage grounds the exposition in a much more coherent manner and the overall voice synchronization is better as well (Welles re-recorded huge chunks of dialogue for the 1955 version).

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Re: 870 Othello

#109 Post by hearthesilence » Mon Nov 27, 2017 2:31 pm

Roger Ryan wrote:
Drucker wrote:The filming is just vastly different. The other two seem to be a part of a live hand held dinner party shot, whereas shots of Welles have no overlapping dialogue, a still camera, and totally different film grain.
Welles also mismatched the angles here so both he and Edwards/MacLiammoir are looking in the same direction (a no-no for interview footage). He could have flipped all of the shots of his interview subjects to create a more seamless match, but...
Hah, guess it wasn't so seamless after all!

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Re: 870 Othello

#110 Post by knives » Sat Dec 02, 2017 7:40 pm

Really wish Filming had subtitles. Welles is such a quick speaker it is sometimes hard to understand him.

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