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PostPosted: Sat Sep 30, 2017 5:11 pm 
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To be honest, I feel bad for them. I already have enough issues getting on time through a 6 movies set, I can't even fathom having so much to review.


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 30, 2017 5:44 pm 
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I'm sure Beaver honestly just skims through..


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 01, 2017 11:29 am 
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The Games Of The V Stockholm Olympiad, which was apparently reconstructed from dupe elements for this box.


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 02, 2017 7:01 am 
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Class316 wrote:
I wonder what version will it be. Like is it an HD version of their laserdisc release? Is it a new version? I would hope it's not a censored release in any shape or form.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 03, 2017 1:31 pm 

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djproject wrote:
Class316 wrote:
I wonder what version will it be. Like is it an HD version of their laserdisc release? Is it a new version? I would hope it's not a censored release in any shape or form.


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It looks awesome. My only gripe is no optional English track


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 25, 2017 4:38 pm 
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Rather grand trailer for the box set released today.


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 25, 2017 5:05 pm 
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Yeah, between that trailer and recently seeing Olympia for the first time, I'm starting to think I may actually want to save up for this.


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 25, 2017 10:03 pm 
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Stunning trailer. Yeah, I may have to start saving up for this, too.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 26, 2017 7:46 am 
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This is my placeholder for my future 300th Criterion (currently at 251 with a recent addition of WCP2 due to the recent flash sale). I'm sure I can have $400 and some to spare by then =]


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 26, 2017 7:55 am 

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But how worthy are the unknown documentaries, except as a look into that specific Olympic Games? I mean with the exception of Olympia and Tokyo Olympiad, are the rest of the films worthy cinematically and more, and not just an historical document?


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 26, 2017 9:40 am 
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...why does it matter if it's arbitrarily decreed they're "worthy"? Many of them are from significant filmmakers and have never received a decent release before.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 26, 2017 12:10 pm 

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I was asking personally. Not from a release viewpoint. I was curious as to weather spent money on this or not.


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 27, 2017 2:55 pm 
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dda1996a wrote:
But how worthy are the unknown documentaries, except as a look into that specific Olympic Games? I mean with the exception of Olympia and Tokyo Olympiad, are the rest of the films worthy cinematically and more, and not just an historical document?
Vision of Eight at the very least is very good with several excellent segments. I can't speak for the rest of the unmentioned, but given the names attached to some of these it is hard to expect them to be merely mediocre.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 10:19 am 
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dda1996a wrote:
But how worthy are the unknown documentaries, except as a look into that specific Olympic Games? I mean with the exception of Olympia and Tokyo Olympiad, are the rest of the films worthy cinematically and more, and not just an historical document?

Some of these films are available to watch on the official Olympics YouTube channel, if you want to get an idea of what they're like. Here is the 1968 Grenoble film, Snows of Grenoble, for instance. I did notice that the running times on YouTube don't always match what is listed on Criterion's site, so the online versions may not be the uncut films. The version of Tokyo Olympiad on YouTube is definitely not the full version.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 10:25 pm 
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Feego wrote:
Some of these films are available to watch on the official Olympics YouTube channel, if you want to get an idea of what they're like. [...] I did notice that the running times on YouTube don't always match what is listed on Criterion's site, so the online versions may not be the uncut films.

XIVth Olympiad: The Glory of Sport (dir. Castleton Knight • 1948​ • 138 minutes)
YouTube Upload: 1:34:33 (94 minutes)

Fight Without Hate (dir. André Michel • 1948 • 91 minutes)
YouTube Upload: 1:23:57 (84 minutes)

The Melbourne Rendez-vous (dir. René Lucot • 1957 ​• 106 minutes)
YouTube Upload: 1:42:25 (102 minutes)

Tokyo Olympiad (dir. Kon Ichikawa • 1965 •​ 170 minutes)
YouTube Upload: 2:05:08 (125 minutes)

Snows of Grenoble (dirs. Jacques Ertaud, Jean-Jacques Languepin •​ 1968 ​• 97 minutes)
YouTube Upload: 1:32:58 (93 minutes)

The Olympics in Mexico (dir. Alberto Isaac • 1969 •​ 160 minutes)
YouTube Upload: 1:45:11 (105 minutes)

Calgary ’88: 16 Days of Glory (dir. Bud Greenspan • 1989​ • 202 minutes)
YouTube Upload: 3:12:40 (193 minutes)

Marathon (dir. Carlos Saura dir. Carlos Saura •​ 1993 • 130 minutes)
YouTube Upload: 2:03:44 (124 minutes)

Lillehammer ’94: 16 Days of Glory (dir. Bud Greenspan • 1994 • 209 minutes)
YouTube Upload: 3:36:40 (217 minutes)

Atlanta’s Olympic Glory (dir. Bud Greenspan • 1997 ​• 206 minutes)
YouTube Upload: 3:14:14 (194 minutes)

Sydney 2000: Stories of Olympic Glory (dir. Bud Greenspan • 2001 •​ 117 minutes)
YouTube Upload: 1:56:40 (117 minutes)

Salt Lake City 2002: Bud Greenspan’s Stories of Olympic Glory (dir. Bud Greenspan • 2003 •​ 119 minutes)
YouTube Upload: 1:59:51 (120 minutes)

Bud Greenspan’s Athens 2004: Stories of Olympic Glory (dir. Bud Greenspan •​ 2005 • 96 minutes)
YouTube Upload: 1:36:40 (97 minutes)

Bud Greenspan’s Torino 2006: Stories of Olympic Glory (dir. Bud Greenspan • 2007 ​• 88 minutes)
YouTube Upload: 1:27:51 (88 minutes)

There are a few multi-part uploads of Olympics films as well, but I'm too lazy to add it all together.

MOD EDIT: Corrected some of the runtime conversions.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 9:06 am 

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Interesting that the YouTube uploads are all shorter except a few that are the same length and except Sydney 2000: Stories of Olympic Glory which has a significantly longer running time on YouTube.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 9:35 am 
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HitchcockLang wrote:
Interesting that the YouTube uploads are all shorter except a few that are the same length and except Sydney 2000: Stories of Olympic Glory which has a significantly longer running time on YouTube.
The Youtube link is actually 117mins, not 156mins! Thus Yaanu just wrote it down wrong (as Youtube displays it as 1hr 56mins), as opposed to missing content.

Granted, we'll have to see the final specs to make sure an intern didn't goof when writing down the times: I know IMDB isn't very accurate, but it lists Los Angeles 1984 - 16 Days of Glory as 145mins, while Criterion's site lists it as 284mins.

I'm guessing Tooze has given up reviewing the set? Have there been any other reviewers plowing through it & giving their thoughts?


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 9:55 am 
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Minkin wrote:
I'm guessing Tooze has given up reviewing the set?


Someone should politely tell him Halloween is over ;) =D


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 10:56 am 
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HitchcockLang wrote:
Interesting that the YouTube uploads are all shorter except a few that are the same length and except Sydney 2000: Stories of Olympic Glory which has a significantly longer running time on YouTube.


Conversion mistake with 1:56:40 turning into 156 instead of 117.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 12:04 pm 
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Minkin wrote:
The Youtube link is actually 117mins, not 156mins! Thus Yaanu just wrote it down wrong (as Youtube displays it as 1hr 56mins), as opposed to missing content.

Morbii wrote:
Conversion mistake with 1:56:40 turning into 156 instead of 117.

Oh, heck, I did write it down wrong. My bad. Thanks to the moderator for fixing it while I was asleep.
I knew I should have added a disclaimer.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 2:55 pm 
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I'll also add that all of the Youtube videos are at 25fps, meaning some (but not all) of the running time differences are probably down to 4% speedup. But even the videos with the same runtimes as the Criterion listings are 25fps, so I'm not sure what's going on there.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 8:41 pm 
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25fps is a common standard for delivery to apps like say the Red Bull channel on Apple TV, the IOC may have had 25fps prepared for streaming platforms because they're internally shifting everything to 25fps for streaming.

Or because the Tokyo olympics are on a 50hz electrical grid they need to make everyone shoot 25 Fps so all the artificial light doesn't flicker? On the other hand South Korea is 60 he so no need for 25 fps

Regardless the deliverables packet that resulted in those uploads probably specified 25fps files for streaming purposes, so they wanted it for some reason.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 9:44 pm 
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I'd be inclined to believe the runtimes on the Criterion site, in part because they do perfectly add up to the listed total runtime which is a number I expect *has* been vetted in an official QA capacity (as it's undoubtedly somewhere on the packaging). So framerate differences/alternate cuts must account for the differences.


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