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 Post subject: Re: Kino
PostPosted: Mon Aug 21, 2017 6:41 pm 
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Kino posted the details for their La Chinoise and Le Gai Savoir Blu-rays
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Coming out on DVD and Blu-ray October 17th!

Two classics from Jean-Luc Godard:

LA CHINOISE (1967)
"A spectacular accomplishment." - J. Hoberman

Special Features:
*Audio Commentary by James Quandt
*Booklet essays by Richard Hell and Amy Taubin
*Trailers

*On-camera interviews with:
actor Michel Semeniako
assistant director Charles Bitsch
2nd assistant director Jean-Claude Sussfeld
writer Denitza Bantcheva [Blu-ray only]
film historian Antoine de Baecque [Blu-ray only]

LE GAI SAVOIR (1969)
"One of Godard's most beautiful, most visually lucid movies." - Vincent Canby

Special Features:
*Audio Commentary by Adrian Martin
*Booklet essays by Richard Hell and Adam Nayman
"Promenade dans LE GAI SAVOIR", a video by Fabrice Aragno (DP on GOODBYE TO LANGUAGE and FILM SOCIALISME)
*Trailers


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 Post subject: Re: Kino
PostPosted: Mon Aug 21, 2017 7:11 pm 
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This Adrian Martin commentary is actually different than the excellent one that appeared on Madman's edition FYI


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 06, 2017 8:29 pm 
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La beaver chinoise.

Any way to know how this one compares to the Gaumont blu (which I already own)?

The extras appear to be the same, minus the new commentary.


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 07, 2017 8:40 pm 
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DVDBeaver on Le gai savoir -- the caps for both these KL releases look incredible, I can't believe these are getting such beautiful and stacked releases from KL!


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 07, 2017 11:30 pm 

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DVDBeaver on Le gai savoir -- the caps for both these KL releases look incredible, I can't believe these are getting such beautiful and stacked releases from KL!


I had ordered it - it will probably be shipped now at any time...
who is the girl on the very last vidcaps on dvdbeaver ? at the first sight (...love at first sight ? :oops: ) I thought for one short moment that it was Claudia Cardinale... In fact no... so, who is she? (who's that giiiiiiiiirl....)

caps looks better (less DNR'ization Gaumont'n'French touch) than La Chinoise.

I don't A/B the other Godard released by StudioCanal (the English one) like Alphaville ou Une Femme est Infâme with the UK Blu-Ray release since I had bought the Japanese Blu-Ray a couple of years ago (and I'm very happy with these blu-ray - no DNR, etc...) - both had the StudioCanal logo on the same source. So I guess the same master was used. But at least these Japanese BR are not DNR'ized. And I have to add that "Une Femme est Une Femme" (with the lovely Anna Karina in here "petit marin" outfits) looks absolutely stunning, wonderful... The kind of Blu upgrade we would have got from Criterion, had they still have the rights for this title (still have the DVD). That's why I bought the Japanese BR... out of "désespoir"...


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 07, 2017 11:33 pm 
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It's Kecia Nyman


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 08, 2017 12:50 am 
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domino harvey wrote:
DVDBeaver on Le gai savoir -- the caps for both these KL releases look incredible, I can't believe these are getting such beautiful and stacked releases from KL!
It's astounding to recall that when I first rented a murky, worn-out VHS of this from Facets in Chicago I felt certain it was the only way I would ever be able to see it. I almost can't believe how good those screencaps look.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 1:34 am 

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I've just noticed while browsing CDJapan that StudioCanal has released in Japan on Blu-Ray : "Prénom Carmen" (aka First Name Carmen)

http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/product/DAXA-5224

did someone buy it ?

I need to know if the subtitles are "ngrained" (burnt-it)

There's a gorgeous transfer via iTunes StudioCanal since several years which is half the resolution of a Blu-Ray, and the subtitles are not forced but burnt-it.


(I bought a few Godard on Blu-Ray in Japan and was very pleased with "Une Femme est Infâme" and "Alphaville" - it took year before Alphaville finally came out via StudioCanal in UK and I really doubt that they will release "First Name Carmen" in France or in UK... both Japanese blu-ray have optional subtitles and both have the StudioCanal logo so I still have some hopes about "Prénom Carmen", but who knows... (they released a Godard in the US (was it Kino? and with forced-subtitles (or worst, burnt-in) - when they are just forced, I can remove it with my blu-ray player, or scroll the subtitles down- until they are "out of the screen" (that's what I did with the Cohen Chabrol box set (they tried to punish me for having bought from France "Torment" (aka "L'Enfer") - but I need to see Emmanuelle Béart without subtitles :oops: - (and I have to say that the Ken Jones interview, especially the one with François Cluzet is one of the most fascinating interview I've seen since years. Same for the B.Jacquot box set (no forced subtitles here) - it seems that Cohen reach Criterion standard for their bonus with these 2 box set).


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 3:38 am 

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I think (among others) two things stand out in 80s Godard. The "wittiness" of the storytelling and quality of "sound mixing". The former had a major influence on many mainstream films. Only recently i listened to a filmmaker panel discussion where some director explained in detail, that after seeing Détective in the mid 80s, he thought that this will be the future of cinema. One may argue that thankfully this is/was not the case but i think that many details, like the deconstruction of genre narratives, star system etcetera, had and still has a big influence on todays cinema. The sound mixing is something that seams also only be appreciated by few individuals even though there are chapters and even books written on this subject alone (Jean-Luc Godard – musicien: Die Musik in den Filmen von Jean-Luc Godard by Jürg Stenzl). So yes, technical advanced releases, not just regarding the image but the sound too, are much appreciated!


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 4:38 am 

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accatone wrote:
I think (among others) two things stand out in 80s Godard. The "wittiness" of the storytelling and quality of "sound mixing". The former had a major influence on many mainstream films. Only recently i listened to a filmmaker panel discussion where some director explained in detail, that after seeing Détective in the mid 80s, he thought that this will be the future of cinema. One may argue that thankfully this is/was not the case but i think that many details, like the deconstruction of genre narratives, star system etcetera, had and still has a big influence on todays cinema. The sound mixing is something that seams also only be appreciated by few individuals even though there are chapters and even books written on this subject alone (Jean-Luc Godard – musicien: Die Musik in den Filmen von Jean-Luc Godard by Jürg Stenzl). So yes, technical advanced releases, not just regarding the image but the sound too, are much appreciated!


I agree, like Bresson or Tarkovski but I wanted to say that it was already right from the start although he enhanced the mixdown through the years...: "Une Femme est Infâme" already plays with sounds, etc... It's 50%-50% image and sounds like Bresson or Tarkoski. And I was happy that with "Prénom Carmen" Godard was back with Raoul Coutard and with a new style... if I remember he got a price for the audio-editing of Prénom Carmen.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 6:29 am 

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Yes, naturally it was right from the start. What i am trying to say is that compared to the 60s (nouvelle vague+ years) and the 90-2000s (Histoire(s) & ECM years) the 80s are kind of neglected in this regard. As far as i can tell the 80s work is a lot more embedded into mainstream (euro-) cinema than the later work. And i think because of this, certain aspects are neclected. For the "histoire(s)" academic audience the 80s work might be too mainstream, for the nouvelle vague, pop culture fans allready too cryptic.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 8:04 pm 
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Rupert Pupkin wrote:
I've just noticed while browsing CDJapan that StudioCanal has released in Japan on Blu-Ray : "Prénom Carmen" (aka First Name Carmen)

http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/product/DAXA-5224

did someone buy it ?

I need to know if the subtitles are "ngrained" (burnt-it)

There's a gorgeous transfer via iTunes StudioCanal since several years which is half the resolution of a Blu-Ray, and the subtitles are not forced but burnt-it.

I haven't bought it, but I looked at a rip of the Japanese Blu floating around. Based on that, the subs are not burnt-in, the color palette is slightly different then the iTunes version, and the image looks very flat due to heavy DNR. The latter could theoretically be a fault of the rip, but I don't think that's the case.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 9:33 pm 
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Tonight I'm going to watch Eloge de L'amour in chronological order. I hope my New Yorker copy has chapter selections that make this easily doable.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 11:15 pm 

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Rupert Pupkin wrote:
I've just noticed while browsing CDJapan that StudioCanal has released in Japan on Blu-Ray : "Prénom Carmen" (aka First Name Carmen)

http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/product/DAXA-5224

did someone buy it ?

I need to know if the subtitles are "ngrained" (burnt-it)

There's a gorgeous transfer via iTunes StudioCanal since several years which is half the resolution of a Blu-Ray, and the subtitles are not forced but burnt-it.

I haven't bought it, but I looked at a rip of the Japanese Blu floating around. Based on that, the subs are not burnt-in, the color palette is slightly different then the iTunes version, and the image looks very flat due to heavy DNR. The latter could theoretically be a fault of the rip, but I don't think that's the case.


thanks. Too bad I haven't find a big-long-trailer of this movie like you...

the iTunes 720p looks like a real improvement (in terms of details, texture) in comparison to the DVD (which was already excellent for a DVD)
- now we passed the first barrier : the forced/burnt-it subtitles : you confirm : that's now - and that subtitles are optional - good!
- optical/blurry censorship (aka in French "foufoune floutage") : I didn't dare to ask, but I suppose that since it's from StudioCanal it's uncensored
- now it could have been sooooo easy to make a 1080 (I even didn't ask a 1080p24!) transfer of the HD master of StudioCanal : why do they have to ruin it... ](*,) (it's like a curse as if they knew I wanted badly to see Maruschka Detmers.. (and Jacques Villeret œuf course)
(now, it's perhaps a local disaster, but I'm not totally sure : look for instance "Belle de Jour" StudioCanal x4 new transfer (you have Georges Marshall saying "soleil noir, soleil d'automne" but the sky is perfect blue), you said that the color palette is slightly different to the iTunes version (which looks totally accurate to me), thus I'm not sure that it's an "initiative" of this local label in Japan or if StudioCanal would one day release in England or France "First Name Carmen" we could perhaps have the same transfer...)
(I'm a bit surprised because the Japanese blu-ray who got the StudioCanal logo transfer I had bought were free of DNR and excellent (Une Femme est Infâme, Alphaville)

apparently this Japanese label also put out another Godard title on blu-ray "One + One" (I bought a while ago the French Blu-Ray which was damned good)


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