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PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 1:50 pm 
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Great responses, matrixschmatrix and Mr. Sausage. I'll leave it at that.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 11:25 pm 
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I didn't think there could be a Bond title sequence worse than Casino Royale's, but they really lowered the bar with Skyfall's. Thank goodness everything afterward was a vast improvement.


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 18, 2012 6:40 pm 
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My immediate reaction is that it felt as uncluttered and straight ahead storytelling-wise than either The Dark Knight Rises or Prometheus and that Deakins' work on it was head above shoulders above any action film I've seen in quite awhile. It delved a little into the back story without being as enamored with it like some films do (which I don't mind at times), thus not pulling the veil entirely from the enigmatic side of Bond. And it felt even quicker than Casino Royale did (or as I remembered it anyway).

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I also liked that the film employed several on-the-nose references to other movies. Silva's island has pretty clear nods to Inception, not to mention his Hannibal Lecter-like jail cell. The whole sequence (and payoff) with the train (with that beautiful comedy moment of Bond asking to get on) nods to Die Hard With A Vengeance. The nod to Apocalypse Now when Silva arrives in the helicopter. And of course the booby-trapped home, which either plays as an homage to Straw Dogs or Home Alone.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2012 1:07 pm 
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Finally saw Skyfall last night (in IMAX which was definitely worth the extra bucks) and have been holding off on reading this thread here until I would see the film.
I really liked it and didn't necessarily expect to do so, since I still struggle with Craig as Bond - for some reason I can't get over the fact that he looks more like a common hoodlum than a "suave" superagent to me, but have to admit that both Skyfall and Casino Royale are Bonds that I consider above average, especially compared to some of the Moore and Brosnan silliness (although I have to give Brosnan kudos for the look, which after Connery is probably the second best for me and how I see the character).

Reading all the posts here I can't help but think that the main reason some people like one movie over the other is how they grew up and which Bonds they saw as teenagers. For me it was Connery and I was lucky to see all of them on the big screen when they got re-released in the 70s. From Russia with Love is hands down my favorite one. OHMSS is number two, even though it doesn't feature Connery, maybe because I didn't expect that much character depth from a Bond and the ending really elevated it for me. I wished Dalton would have continued as I liked his take on the character and I think Brosnan could have been good had he had better scripts.

In any case whether you are die-hard fan of the series like I am or just a casual viewer, I believe Skyfall provides enough entertainment for both. For the die-hards you just have to love the ending and the frequent references to previous outings throughout and for the casual viewer, I think it provides more than just explosions and has a little bit more character development or story development for that fact to it than most of the nonsense shown these days (and I freely admit that the terms character and story development are a stretch for a Bond film to begin with).

And if for no other reason, Deakins photography is worth the entrance fee alone.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2012 11:45 pm 
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I have to admit after hearing that this was a more serious Bond instantly being afraid that it would be in the same vein of deadly earnestness that Nolan has made so popular.

I was pleasantly surprised with what is probably one of the most overwrought Bonds I can think of (the silliness of the opening scene even topping that of The World is Not Enough).

And Craig far from giving a performance of grim heterosexuality is even more surprisingly camp as tits.


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 24, 2012 2:49 am 
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Matt wrote:
I didn't think there could be a Bond title sequence worse than Casino Royale's, but they really lowered the bar with Skyfall's. Thank goodness everything afterward was a vast improvement.

Ugh! Yes, it was pretty awful, and it lacked naked ladies. I get this was supposed to be a more "reflective" Bond film and I guess the titles were attempting to capture that. But who doesn't have time to reflect on naked ladies?


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 24, 2012 3:24 pm 

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Just got back from watching this. Honestly, I really am sick of overhyped, critically and commercially praised blockbuster films of late that are just incredible let downs. Was this a pretty decent Bond flick? Yes. But for me the fundamental issue lies with Daniel Craig as the title character, and no matter how many girlfriends and significant others keep proclaiming he's "a hottie," I still think he looks like Dopey from Snow White and thats putting it kindly. He has the expressive range of Matt Damon, and very little of the charm. Someone like Michael Fassbender should slip into Bond's shoes at this point, I think he could bring something fresh to the series which like the Batman films is becoming way too self important. A lot of other things with this film didn't work:

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THe ridiculous train scene in which we are supposed to accept that Silva timed an explosion in the middle of a foot chase scene to have a locomotive come rushing underground for the sole purpose of killing Bond, the VERY bland Bond Girls who have about 10 mins screentime, the incredibly stupid ending where Bond's plan ultimately leads to M's death (in his own arms no less), and the boring, generic villain played by Bardem (did we really need CGI enhancements of his cheek muscles and teeth when he removes the prosthetic while in jail?? Have practical effects effectively become so obselete at this point in the digital age??)


This was definitely a step down from Casino Royale and while I enjoyed the Q character and throwback moments to the older Bonds, I'm honestly still dumbfounded that this is getting all the praise it deserves. OF course some of it makes sense, considering Sam Mendes has apparently said in numerous interviews that the major inspiration for his film was the Dark Knight.


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 25, 2012 5:18 pm 
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flyonthewall2983 wrote:
Silva's island has pretty clear nods to Inception

I assumed it was a real place: Gunkanjima (as featured in Ben Rivers' brilliant Slow Action) -
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 25, 2012 5:41 pm 

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flyonthewall2983 wrote:
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I also liked that the film employed several on-the-nose references to other movies. Silva's island has pretty clear nods to Inception, not to mention his Hannibal Lecter-like jail cell. The whole sequence (and payoff) with the train (with that beautiful comedy moment of Bond asking to get on) nods to Die Hard With A Vengeance. The nod to Apocalypse Now when Silva arrives in the helicopter. And of course the booby-trapped home, which either plays as an homage to Straw Dogs or Home Alone.
Yes! I'm glad someone else played "guess the action movie reference" while they were watching this too. Let's not forget the hot/cold lighting of the climax reminiscent of Terminator 2: Judgment Day, or the "dead in the water" shot much like the end of The Bourne Ultimatum.


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 25, 2012 8:11 pm 
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zedz wrote:
flyonthewall2983 wrote:
Silva's island has pretty clear nods to Inception

I assumed it was a real place: Gunkanjima (as featured in Ben Rivers' brilliant Slow Action) -
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I know Nolan used real locations as the inspiration for the sets for that particular part of the movie, so it might have come from the same source.


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 25, 2012 8:40 pm 
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flyonthewall2983 wrote:
I also liked that the film employed several on-the-nose references to other movies.

Immediately after seeing this my wife and I both noticed a Stalker reference in the way the scene before the runaway tube train was set up. Bond walking through shallow water with flood lights on him... he might as well have been in the zone.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 11:31 pm 
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For those complaining about the opening credit sequences, which exactly were the best ones from the Bond canon?


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 11:50 pm 
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I too wondered if Bardem's hideout wasn't the same eerie deserted island featured in Rivers' Slow Action, but I also couldn't tell if the location in Skyfall was a real place or not. It looked to me like a combination of sets and CGI, perhaps modeled after Slow Action's island. There was something about the edges of the hired thugs as they walked through that set off a greenscreen alarm.

Thought Skyfall overall was shoddy. The labored but empty psychologizing, borrowed from Nolan's similarly hollow Batman movies, didn't mix well with all of the cutesy, kitschy self-reflexiveness or the clumsy and ultimately uninteresting setpieces. Acting wasn't bad, though I hope Whishaw's career ends here, but the script is one of the worst in years, preposterous and laugh-free. Deakins is a good sport, but unnecessary and half-baked CGI doesn't play nice with fancy lighting. Hopefully now that the "origin story" is over with the franchise can return to the unpretentious craftmanship of Casino Royale.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 10:41 am 
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flyonthewall2983 wrote:
For those complaining about the opening credit sequences, which exactly were the best ones from the Bond canon?
I don't have a ranked list, but all of the title sequences Maurice Binder did (every Bond film from Dr. No through License to Kill except From Russia with Love and Goldfinger) are very good and iconically "Bond." Robert Brownjohn, who did the two early sequences that Binder didn't create, probably deserves the credit for eroticizing the Bond title sequences, but I think Binder took them to a new level. Of the recent few sequences, only Quantum of Solace was any good and was a clear homage to Binder's work.


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2012 11:32 pm 
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Saw this tonight finally and it was the letdown I hoped it wouldn't be. It was a perfectly fine entry I guess...somewhere in the middle overall. But ultimately it just felt kind of bland, the worst issues having been voiced by Stroszek above (especially the train...that strained credulity well beyond my threshold). Bardem was the best part, and his introduction was the best scene in the film - it also took far too long to get there. At the same time, his masterplan never feels credible or if it wasn't a master plan then there was FAR too much on the fly stuff going on that it moves into cartoon land. I enjoyed it, but I can't understand the people declaring it a masterpiece or even near the top 5 of the canon.

The one real question I have is whether this is the first film to address Bond's childhood? I actually wish they would have done more with that thread...but much like the rest of the film, it was just another piece that was brought up but never fully realized. It almost feels like a 2.5 hour attempt to set up future films with a new cast of MI6 operatives...the ending was one of those frustrating "oh, so we're only here to explain why these people will be in the next 3 movies" kind of moments.


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 1:20 pm 
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Knocked that vampire movie off the top spot in the B.O. this week.


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 2:07 pm 
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If we're going to discuss the titles, we really should shriek about the Playstation-1 quality of the CGI. Abysmal. The song is too depressing and overwrought too, but then again the whole movie is overwrought and awful so I guess that kind of fits.


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 23, 2012 5:20 pm 
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I think that Skyfall is a big step back after the it's two predecessors. It can't live up to their quality, even if Mendes composed a lot of beautiful looking images. Only that they don't interdigitate that much with the story. Skyfall begins a lot without bringing it to an end, without bringing it to carry the story to the end, or even beyond the end.

Actually for me Quantum of Solace has become by repeated viewings with an ever-growing fascination a total masterpiece. By far the best Bond ever, and as much as I liked Casino Royale, but Quantum is on another level.


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2013 1:11 am 
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Looks like Skyfall will have a good array of special features for its release, unusual for a Bond film as the re-releases usually get this kind of treatment instead.

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Special Features:
Intro
Opening Sequence--The Death of Bond
Title Sequence--Working The Titles
007--The Return of James Bond
Q--Back to Basics
DB5--Behind the Wheel
Women--The Good, The Bad and the Beautiful
Villains--In the Shadows
Locations--License To Travel
Music--The Sound of Bond
The End Sequence--The Beginning of the End
M--Changes
The Future--New Beginnings
Skyfall Premiere
Commentary by Director Sam Mendes
Commentary by Producers Barbara Broccoli and Michael G. Wilson and Production Designer Dennis Gassner
Soundtrack Promotional Spot


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 13, 2013 3:59 pm 
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Mr Sausage wrote:
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matrixschmatrix wrote:
Both men are agents in the same manner, so both presumably have the near sociopathic disconnect between sex and interest that Bond consistently displays- and it absolutely makes sense that both would be quite as prepared to seduce or be seduced by a member of either gender.

Yeah. One of the things I liked about the moment was the feeling that while there was no reason to think that he had engaged in homosexual activity, there was no reason to think that he hadn't, either. I was prepared to believe him either way, and I think the film intends that. It was a great bit.

If I'm getting my Bond biography right, he was at public school and then Cambridge. Plenty of reason to think he's engaged in that kind of activity.


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