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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 2:00 pm 
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I like how the movie enlists you in its paranoia at that moment, making you look back through the movie to make connections on evidence with more portent than actual weight (an unverifiable claim, two phone calls and not one, the sinister import behind no one on the other line--all of which could be the real thing or white noise).


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 4:06 pm 
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I think it's probably time to spin off into a '70s Paranoia Classics' thread (if we don't have one already - we've probably got threads for The Conversation and The Parallax View, but disentangling this discussion would be awkward).

Sausage is right that in The Parallax View it's the film that's paranoid rather than the main character, which is one of the reasons why that film is so crushingly bleak, with
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Beatty doomed as soon as he sets foot in the trap, and the trap lies everywhere.


Something Sloper said reminded me that the Parallax Test might actually have a damned-if-you-do, damned-if-you-don't quality, since
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it's presumably testing for genuine recruits and for patsies. That whole sequence is so unnerving that you start worrying about your own responses.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 4:49 pm 
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zedz wrote:
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Beatty doomed as soon as he sets foot in the trap, and the trap lies everywhere.

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The idea that the trap is everywhere ties in to what I love so much about the ending: how as he runs towards the doorway the shot makes it seem like he's running in place and it's the doorway, with its fatal guardian, that moves towards him. It's like as the plot goes on the whole world just leans in and exerts this massive pressure on him until he can't go anywhere no matter how hard he tries--he's trapped, running in place. Speaking of that, the ending with all the gangways reminded me of a rat in a maze. Makes quite a contrast to the earlier, very much conventional car chase which is the point where the movie seems most like a normal thriller, before the parallax corporation begins to intrude on the narrative and Beatty is increasingly framed within imposing and oppressive architecture. It's unnerving that no matter how far Beatty gets away from civilization, going out to the boonies or far out onto the water, the corporation reaches out and pushes him right back to where he started. It's a paranoid movie because almost the entire world can seem to be subject to a sinister design.


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What's so compelling to me about Parallax is the total uncertainty by the audience in the second half (after the "test") as to what exactly is going on. In the first half, we're on the same page as Beatty's character (sometimes even a step ahead); we know exactly his motives and intentions for his actions. After the test, though, everything becomes murky; it's uncertain what exactly Beatty knows about Parallax, and whether he's still operating as a rogue, truth-seeking journalist, or has already become initiated, brainwashed into becoming a Parallax patsy of some sort. And as this narrative confusion happens, so too does the style of the film become even more remote, more abstracted, more about surfaces than "substance"; we see the doorway but not what lies beyond the door. All this, of course, culminates in the lengthy final sequence set in that large, largely secluded convention center, to my mind one of the greatest things put to celluloid. I particularly love Small's ironically chirpy, ultra-patriotic score, with the marching band here, as we watch shadowy figures meet on the darkened rafters above (and Parallax "Security" men look down through a cinemascope-shaped window from their perch in an office). It's just masterful, unforgettable film-making.

I think my favorite shot may be of Senator Hammond arriving in his little golf cart, the sliding door slowly closing shut behind him as all light is increasingly sucked out of the screen, leaving total blackness at the end. God, Gordon Willis was such a genius. As great as Pakula was, I have to wonder how effective these films would be without Willis' utterly distinct vision.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 7:15 am 
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Re: The Conversation.

Mr Sausage, I actually agree with a lot of what you say, especially about this film being more of a 'character study' than the Pakulas. Perhaps that's why I see it as having less in common with Antonioni - I don't really see any of his films as character studies. La Signora, Il Grido and Identification maybe come close, but even there I tend to feel that the protagonists are more embodiments of concepts or aspects of human relationships than fully-realised individuals. That isn't to say that they're not authentic, just that they reflect a worldview that observes individuals as more or less helpless elements within larger systems - in Pakula's hands this is more politicised, obviously.

It seems like what we're disagreeing about is the extent to which Harry Caul is simply paranoid, and the extent to which he is actually perceiving some awful truth that everyone else is lucky enough to be blind to - I tend to lean towards the latter reading. Yes, he ends up stuck in a spiral of self-destructive obsession, but he has every reason to be stuck there. His annihilated state is grounded on reality rather than mere perception, and as such he's more like Rock Hudson at the end of Seconds, or Paul Muni at the end of I Am a Fugitive From a Chain Gang, or Caleb in William Godwin's original ending to Caleb Williams (a great novel on this same subject) than, say, Jack Nicholson at the end of The Pledge (tried to think of a better example but I'm drawing a blank). Having said that, I'd come back to the point I made earlier about Harry Caul
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playing the saxophone at the end. There is almost a sense of peace here, as if he knows there is nothing more he can do to resist the intrusion of dark forces into his life. His destruction of the Virgin Mary statue is a key turning point here. His tragedy has always been that he can't do his job without getting people hurt: one of the reasons he is so paranoid is that the people he bugged on a previous job ended up dead. But at the end of the film, he can at least retreat into his music - something that's just for him, something that no 'bugger' can really get to, and that is guaranteed not to place him or anybody else in danger. The camera may pan back and forth like a surveillance camera, but this also signifies that it is mechanical and inhuman. Harry himself stands out in that final shot as a vestige of humanity, victimised almost into oblivion, but still clinging on by a thread. In a way it's actually less bleak than the endings of La Notte and Red Desert, which I compared it to earlier. It's not totally unlike the ending of another great paranoid film from this era, Rosemary's Baby.


This discussion makes me think of Michael Corleone's trajectory in the first two Godfather films: on one level, when you get to the end of Part 2 you can see how the monster Michael has become has emerged from aspects of his character that were always there, even when he was trying to distance himself from the corrupt family business; on another level, you can see how that same monster is the logical outcome of the corrupt business Vito started up for much more sympathetic reasons (and, to put it differently, the logical outcome of the social circumstances that led to Vito's being in that position to start with). So there's that same tension between character and circumstance; it's why these films work so well as modern-day classical tragedies.


Re: The Parallax View.

'oh yeah' just said several of the things I was trying, less successfully, to say earlier, especially about Beatty's reaction to the test. As well as Blow Up, this strongly reminds me of Zabriskie Point: the student radicals, the orgy in the desert, the anonymous 'climax' at the airport, the imagined destruction of bourgeois idols at the end; it's all so detached and dispassionate. And when that sunset fades to black at the end, it's less the traditional symbol of the happy ending than an obliteration which swallows us all up. I love how these films put us into this state of mind where all definitions and distinctions seem to blur into each other and vanish. Antonioni is less frightened by this than Pakula - of course this goes back to the fact that Pakula is much more focused on politics, as such - and even finds a kind of beauty or release in it.

I also agree with 'oh yeah' about Small's score. As I said earlier, Shire was obviously asked to do something similar for All the President's Men, and does it very well; there, though, the music is more evocative of the quiet forces chipping away at the powers that be, whereas Small's score just sounds like those same powers that be quietly winning the day, which is exactly what they tend to do.


Re: All the President's Men

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Of course the Watergate story is a fascinating one, but it really doesn't scream cinema and a laid back style focusing on Woodward and Bernstein is probably the weakest way to go about things (I'd personally say Altman tackled the most exciting). Despite all of this possibility for failure (not even mentioning Peck 2.0 as one of the leads) the film manages to not just be great, but as great as these sort of things get. It's presenting a wonderful dissertation of the role of the journalist, presenting as factually as possible the ultimate tale of American corruption, and presenting a wonderful labyrinth of lies that finally reveal the truth. We have to believe these liars and understand the nature of the liar to work towards that golden object, truth. Best yet it does all of this in as entertaining a way as possible (had to be the inspiration for Zodiac) and further proves that everything is better with more Jason Robards.

Since we've moved to a new thread, I just wanted to quote the rest of knives' original tribute to this film from the Alternate Oscars thread, first of all because his reference to 'that golden object, truth' was one of the things that spurred me to post on this in the first place. I think it's a perfectly valid reading of the film, and in some ways the most obvious and 'correct' one, but I think one of the big things Fincher carried over into Zodiac was the sense that these seekers after truth actually lose sight of exactly what the truth is or might be, or why it matters. Fincher's film is more of a character study: we see three obsessive individuals destroying themselves for reasons that, as we gradually realise, have little to do with the Zodiac case itself, so that the 'revelation' at the end (which someone referred to earlier) really doesn't seem like a significant revelation at all - it's a totally, and brilliantly, bathetic ending. In Pakula's film the bathetic ending suggests (to me) that these forces of resistance might themselves still be trapped within a larger system they can't even begin to stand up to.

I also wanted to defend Robert Redford, who can be annoying but is in danger of being underrated. Trying watching Michael Ritchie's The Candidate if you don't believe me - I think Redford is terrific in that one.


Two famous phrases from the ending of another paranoid '70s classic spring to mind: 'as little as possible' and 'forget it, Jake - it's Chinatown'. They conjure up that sense of utter futility that defines so many American films from this period. Another one that I dimly recall is Elektra Glide in Blue -
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which joins Chinatown in that small, select group of films with tacked on unhappy endings. Marvellous stuff.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 11:35 am 
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His annihilated state is grounded on reality rather than mere perception

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Isn't the whole point, tho', that his his job and his identity--his whole state, really--is grounded solely on perception, indeed a perception that becomes increasingly unstable? He starts to doubt his earlier interpretation of the conversation, he 'discovers' a new possible reading of it (which could be entirely in his head), and chases down a murder whose evidence he could, in his panic, be hallucinating (the editing leaves room to suspect this). In the end he cannot even find the one thing a surveillance expert ought to be able to find, a bug, which guts him because he is no longer the outside observer, the one who's above it all, watching and explicating from a safe distance, exerting control by gathering hidden knowledge. He's now the one being watched (an even more isolating position than his former one), and that's significant considering people go into surveillance because they don't want to be surveilled themselves.

It's not that Caul is simply paranoid, or that he's like this for the whole movie. What I'm saying is that the trajectory of the movie is to leave him with paranoia, and only that, since the threat is not resolved. Consider two other possible endings and what they'd mean: 1. if Harry receives the call, hears the recording, is told he's being watched, and the movie freeze frames on his face before fading to black. 2. If Harry receives the call, ect., then tears his room apart like usual, gives up, plays his sax, only to suddenly realize where the bug is and pulls it out. If 1., the ending is about the awful sinking feeling of Harry now being in explicit danger, the focus of the conspiracy, and his immediate panic, surprise, and fear at this revelation. If 2., the ending implies he's paranoid and destructive, but that his knowledge and training will see him through to the other side with the further implication that he does at least have the tools to play this game.

The actual ending dilutes the explicitness of the danger in 1. by focusing on the psychological position it puts him in over a dramatic reinforcement of his own danger, and it avoids the feeling of capability and resolution in 2. by failing to resolve. Without that resolution, Harry must remain in a somewhat indeterminate state of worry. I'm not saying the threat of surveillance isn't real, I'm saying such a threat doesn't need to be followed up to have its effect. Since Caul doesn't find the bug, we can assume he will continue to look for evidence of surveillance just like anyone else would, and his compulsive, detail-obsessive nature will take over, analyzing and re-analyzing and piecing together the evidence of what could be a coherent plot or could be an empty threat, it makes no difference to his state. And with the possibility that he's already hallucinated once, we can imagine he may start seeing things that aren't there all over again. Point being, if he's surveilled or not makes no difference, he'll act the same either way.

I think one of the major implications of the movie is that when Harry's temperament is focused on other people, it's working constructively; but if his compulsions are turned on himself, they'll become destructive. Without the resolution of finding the bug, the movie leaves us in an indefinite state, and it's those types of states where paranoia fully takes over. Harry's carefully protected, hermetic world (symbolized by his apartment) has been invaded, leaving him to tear it apart while he looks for what he cannot find, his former security.

I've always thought the final sax playing to be very sad. It's really the only thing he has left, and he has to feel like there is always an implied audience.


EDIT: I made some small alterations in the first two paragraphs because I wrote this right after I got up and the phrasing was kind of wonky and hovering just outside of what I was trying to say.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 2:12 pm 
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In some ways, I think the arc of The Conversation is the inverse of one of Michael Mann's standard arcs (as seen in, say, Thief)- Harry goes from a perfect state of no meaningful attachments and no permanent connections, walking through life protected by his little condom (the raincoat) and believing that as long as he maintains that state, he can feel neither guilt nor risk. The case broke through his caul, and everything inside of him comes spilling out nothing is safe and nothing can be protected.

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As such, I think the saxophone playing is intensely sad- it's not private anymore, and it may well be where they've put the bug. Harry's taken himself apart (including the little religious figurine) but he'll never feel safe again, because his extra skin is gone. It doesn't really matter whether they're all that interested in him.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 3:35 pm 
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That's a nice observation, re: it being the obverse of the typical Michael Mann trajectory. Harry is a very paranoid, very frightened person, but he's built all of these mechanisms for managing that paranoia and turning it into something constructive. The movie slowly strips him of all of those mechanisms until he's defenseless, left with nothing but his own fear.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 4:34 pm 
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Mr Sausage wrote:
It's not that Caul is simply paranoid

Yes, that wasn't quite the right phrase to use - I didn't mean to simplify your argument, or imply that it was simplistic. I'm just more fixated on the idea that Harry has pretty much figured out what's happened, and perhaps even why it's happened. I re-watched the ending as well (love the floor tiles in the evil corporation HQ), and was struck by what the Harrison Ford character (turns out his name is Stett) says over the phone: 'We know you know, Mr Caul. For your own benefit, don't get involved any further. We'll be listening to you.' First of all, consider that first phrase: it suggests that when Stett sees Harry at the press conference, he knows from the look on Harry's face that he's figured it out. The Cindy Williams character sees this too. I think the following sequence showing what 'really happened' in the hotel room probably is accurate.

The question I've always been left with is, why was Harry hired to make the recording, and what exactly did the Robert Duvall character make of it? He appears loving and trusting in the hotel room, just before Frederic Forrest wraps the plastic sheet around him. Did Stett lure him into thinking he was one step ahead of the young couple, with the aid of the recording, which suggests that they feel vulnerable and threatened; but actually Stett was in league with the couple to help them get control of the company? That would suggest that Harry was hired specifically because they knew he'd be able to decipher 'He'd kill us if he got the chance', so that this would make Duvall think precisely what Harry thinks: that the young couple are the ones in the weaker position. This would certainly strengthen the idea that the new line reading at the end is a re-interpretation: 'They wanted me to hear it that way; but if they'd been honest it would have sounded like this.'

It's fascinating that the film cuts from the new line reading straight to a shot of Harry, in his apartment, playing his saxophone. Throughout the film, he's invested so much in an idealised vision of this couple, where he saves them (and especially her; remember he only meets her in the dream) from the bad guys and so vicariously participates in that idealised relationship. He trusts this relationship in a way that he can't trust any of his own relationships; and the moment when he realises what that sentence really means signals the disintegration of this ideal. He'd been assuming a simple battle between good and evil here (doesn't he say in the dream 'I'm not afraid of death, but I am afraid of evil'?), and obviously his religious faith feeds into this, but now he finds out the sweet young couple are cold-blooded murderers. And his response is to play the saxophone. Just before he plays it again, for the final time, we get a flashback to the couple in the park, exchanging sweet nothings; again, the film cuts straight from this to Harry on his saxophone. In the first instance it's a retreat, an acknowledgement that there's nothing more he can do with this case, and it's interesting that at first he plays along to a recording of a jazz band - this at least is a relationship he can fall back on. I guess anyone who's come away from a failed relationship and found solace in a good book or film can understand this.

But Stett takes this away from him by winding that 'conversation' - the one between Harry and the recording - backwards and then re-playing it to him. 'We own this as well.' It's ironic that Stett tells him not to get involved any further, as it doesn't seem like Harry was planning to do anything else. And you're right, Mr Sausage, that the emphasis then is not on the 'danger' he's in, but on his attempt to re-assert his dignity as king of the buggers. 'They think I won't pull my curtains down, but I will. They think I won't rip open this religious figurine, but I will. They think I won't tear off the wallpaper and the floorboards, but I will.' The music emphasises this sense that he is descending by stages, going to ever greater extremes to resist what's happening to him. Yes it's very sad, but there's also something a little heroic about it - one of the points I've been trying to make is that this film makes us love Harry Caul in a way that Pakula's films never ever invite us to love their protagonists.

The saxophone playing at the end is certainly more tragic than I remembered, and perhaps I have been straining a little in trying to make this seem like a redemptive ending. I remembered Harry as sitting more or less in the middle of the room, at the centre of the panning shot, but actually he's tucked himself away behind a wall, like a cornered rat. And just as Shire's piano has accompanied each stage of his descent up to this point, so now it returns to the theme from the opening of the film, emphasising once again Harry's solitude. In fact, he's accompanying the piano at this point, and complementing it beautifully; since the piano represents him and his isolation, I suppose you could say he's accompanying himself, in conversation with himself, and this marks that isolation as permanent and definitive.

But, to come back to the last line of the film, Stett also said 'We'll be listening to you'. What does that say about the bad guys? Someone is actually sitting somewhere listening to recordings of everything Harry does, and Harry's not doing anything besides playing the saxophone on his own. They played the music back at him to scare him into silence, and his playing at the end comes across as a final gesture of defiance: 'They think I won't play my saxophone, but I will.'

Nice comments on the raincoat/condom/caul, matrix - with this in mind I noticed that at the very end of the film, Harry's shirt is so soaked with sweat that it looks a bit like the raincoat, a thin, moist film through which his pink skin is clearly visible. In one sense they've taken away his privacy, but in another sense they really haven't. They underestimate him at every stage. Stett can listen all he wants, but in the end Harry knows what's been going on - he's more than a mere patsy - and conversely no one can gather any information about him, or really gain access to his inner life. So he is still king of the buggers at the end; he'd just be better off if he weren't.


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Further to this discussion, I rewatched The Parallax View over the weekend, and it just goes from strength to strength. At the end of the film I felt like giving Gordon Willis a standing ovation.

The climactic sequence is utterly masterful, constructed out of individual shots which almost all have an air of unease or positive dread. (Some very mild spoilers follow.) Throughout the film, Pakula and Willis go for long shots that are too long. While purporting to give you the big picture, they actually step back far enough to obscure information, or reduce the narrative information to abstraction. This particular nail is hit on the head by the matching shots over the opening and closing credits. In the climactic scene, this technique is coupled with a wonderfully alienating employment of extreme long lenses that crush depth. The above-and-below mise-en-scene of this sequence is already spatially disorientating, but the camera's treatment further pushes that spatial ambiguity into pure abstraction, so that in some shots, even when we can generally understand what we're looking at - Frady hiding under the walkway, suspended high above the convention centre floor, say - we still can't quite piece together all of the elements of the image (Is that a beam, or part of a wall? Is Frady immediately behind it, or is it further in the foreground? Is that dark line there the walkway or something else?), and the abstraction of the image rather suggests a figure being crushed between the real world and a sinister underworld, except that those worlds have been flipped. Frady is marginalized throughout this sequence, as in the masterful shot in which he's crushed into the extreme left of the frame while shadowy backlit figures approach him from the background. Again, this is an optical illusion created by the long lens, since they're not actually closing in on Frady at all. As was said above, by this point it's the entire film that's paranoid, so everything we see is tinged with dread: a window with three men in it; the same window with no men in it (which is more sinister?); an apocalyptic sliding door shutting out daylight; a rare close-up (of a fumbling tuba-player, of all things); a motorized golf cart seen from on high like a tiny beetle scuttling among red, white and blue pebbles. And it's not as if we can trust our other senses, with the sound in this space being amplified, distorted or completely disengaged from the events occurring on screen (specifically with the continuation of Hammond's speech).

This whole sequence is a masterclass in suspense and disorientation, but all of the film's suspense / action set pieces are beautifully crafted. Even the car chase, which is by far the most conventional sequence of the film, has the smarts to end very abruptly after only a couple of minutes. The barroom brawl that preceded it manages to keep itself fresh by taking the opposite tack, being much more ruthless and extended than you'd expect, given the narrative situation. And much of the tension in the airline scene doesn't come from any traditional 'countdown' element, but rather from anxiety over Frady's problem-solving.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 6:43 pm 
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First of all, consider that first phrase: it suggests that when Stett sees Harry at the press conference, he knows from the look on Harry's face that he's figured it out. The Cindy Williams character sees this too. I think the following sequence showing what 'really happened' in the hotel room probably is accurate.

This is one of those movies that suggests tons but stops just short of unequivocally confirming things. All of what you say is perfectly logical and probable; but at the same time, you can also ask: "what does Stett know Harry knows? What does Stett know? Are we sure we know what we know given that we aren't always even sure of what Harry knows?" Not to overemphasize the ambiguities, but "we know that you know" is a pretty open statement. Which is to say, this is a movie you can make definite, believable, and likely conclusions about and still be able to append an "and yet..." to each of them. The film leaves enough loose ends to worry over, if you want. I like worrying the loose ends.


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2012 8:49 pm 
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So this makes pretty interesting companion viewing with The Parallax View, as well as being just fascinating on its own. Make sure you have about 45 minutes to kill.


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Looks like we can ring in the new year with The Parallax View.


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Aw, I thought that was a blu until I looked a second time.


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I'm willing to bet its the same release from 1999.


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I'm willing to bet its the same release from 1999.

I'm sure it is. Its new distributor, Warner, is putting it back in print. Wish they'd do the same for Seconds.


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Gah, what a disappointment. Parallax is one of those titles that's just screaming out for a Criterion, or simply a quality release from anybody. Paramount's DVD isn't unwatchable by any means, but it's very average in terms of picture quality. (There's also a weird blue line at the corner of the picture during the second half; I'm not sure how widespread this problem is but it's on my DVD).


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Yes, this is definitely a film that could do with a decent reissue and an HD upgrade. The same goes for Klute, which I happened to rewatch last night. The DVD looks okay, but a careful Blu transfer could do wonders with Willis's inky cinematography. Big stars, neo-noir hook, iconic, Oscar-winning performance, sex: is there really no HD audience for this film?


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