Forthcoming Criterion & Eclipse List Discussion

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#1 Post by **Matt** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 3:43 pm

This thread is for discussion of the Forthcoming Criterion List and the Forthcoming Eclipse List.

Cinephrenic · #2 Post by **Cinephrenic** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 3:43 pm

Should direct mail from Kim Hendrickson, Jonathan Turrell, or other members of the Criterion staff be considered "CERTAINTIES"? (i.e. Max Ophuls boxset)

#3 Post by **kinjitsu** » Thu Mar 29, 2007 2:32 pm

Donal Sosin wrote:Criterion will release a box set of three Ozu films sometime in coming months with new scores I am doing: I WAS BORN BUT... (a particular favorite of mine) is one of them.

Sosin apparently has written scores for Days of Youth and A Straightforward Boy, as well.

Cinephrenic · #4 Post by **Cinephrenic** » Thu Mar 29, 2007 3:15 pm

Interesting what Criterion is doing with Ozu. Looks like we will see a Ozu silents box set sooner than we thought. A Straightforward Boy is a short, so I wonder what is the third film? I Was Born, But... could easily be released alone, but why just three? Maybe they are planing on Ozu silents from Eclipse.

#5 Post by **kinjitsu** » Thu Mar 29, 2007 3:40 pm

That's all the information I could locate on Sosin and Ozu based on his comment on that blog and this list, nor does he divulge anything in his most recent blog entry.

Cinephrenic · #6 Post by **Cinephrenic** » Sun Apr 15, 2007 1:42 pm

Holy shit, the certainties list is the longest ever.

justeleblanc · #7 Post by **justeleblanc** » Sun Apr 15, 2007 2:09 pm

And we should add TWO OR THREE THINGS to it as well, via RIALTO. Rialto has confirmed through email that it will be released onto DVD by Criterion.

Unless otherwise indicated, shouldn't we assume that all Rialto titles are definites (all titles that are in theaters from now on with the Rialto banner)?

Cinephrenic · #8 Post by **Cinephrenic** » Sun Apr 15, 2007 2:17 pm

With the exception of Godzilla and The Producers, most of their arthouse output is released through Criterion, so I don't see why not add those to certainties.

justeleblanc · #9 Post by **justeleblanc** » Thu May 17, 2007 7:31 pm

Certainties by source:

via Criterion Website/Newsletter
BERLIN ALEXANDERPLATZ (1980, Fassbinder) (Feb '07 newsletter) (Email: End of 2007)
BREATHLESS (1960, Jean-Luc Godard) (May '07 newsletter) (Email: "we hope to have a finished product" in 2007)
JOUR DE FÃŠTE (Jacques Tati, 1949, France) (website)
MIKIO NARUSE BOX, FLOWING (1956) (2006 Becker announcement)
NIGHT ON EARTH (Jim Jarmusch, 1991) (website)
ROBINSON CRUSOE ON MARS (Byron Haskin, 1964) (Dec '06 newsletter)
UNDER THE VOLCANO (John Huston, 1984) (Dec '06 newsletter)

via Criterion E-mail
DRUNKEN ANGEL (1948, Akira Kurosawa) - Late summer 2007 - Hendrickson
THE HUMAN CONDITION TRILOGY (Masaki Kobayashi) - Late 2007/Early 2008 - Hendrickson
MAX OPHULS BOX, THE EARRINGS OF MADAME DE... (1953), LE PLAISIR (1952) - Late 2007/Early 2008 - Hendrickson
MY DINNER WITH ANDRE (1981) - Possible 2007 - Lipson
PERMANENT VACATION (Jim Jarmusch, 1980) - "It's in the works" - Turell
PIERROT LE FOU (1965, Godard) - 2007 - Turell
SALÃ’ (Pier Paolo Pasolini, 1975) - HD transfer 2007
SHORT FILMS OF MARTIN SCORSESE, THE BIG SHAVE (1967), ITALIANAMERICAN (1974) - "It's in the works" - Turell
STRANGER THAN PARADISE (1984, Jim Jarmusch) - "It's in the works" - Turrell

via Rialto
CLASSE TOUS RISQUES (1960, Sautet)
LE DOULOS (1961, Melville)
FANFAN LA TULIPE (1952, Christian-Jaque)
GOLD OF NAPLES (1954, De Sica)
LAST YEAR AT MARIENBAD (1961, Resnais)
LÉON MORIN, PRÃŠTRE (1961, Melville)
MAFIOSO (1962, Lattuada)
PANIQUE (1946, Duvivier)
TWO OR THREE THINGS I KNOW ABOUT HER (1967, Godard)

via Essential Arthouse box/book
MISS JULIE (Alf Sjöberg, 1951, Sweden)
THE GREAT CHASE (Harvey Cort, Paul Killiam, Saul J. Turell, 1962, USA)
LE JOUR SE LÃˆVE (Marcel Carné, 1939, France)
THE LOVE GODDESSES (Saul J. Turell, 1965, USA)

via Image Entertainment/Jeremy Thomas acquisition (4/7/07 release)
THE HIT (Stephen Frears, 1984, UK)
INSIGNIFICANCE (Nicholas Roeg, 1985, UK)
THE LAST EMPEROR (Bernardo Bertolucci, 1987, USA)
MERRY CHRISTMAS, MR. LAWRENCE (Nagisa Oshima, 1983, UK/Japan)

ellipsis7 · #10 Post by **ellipsis7** » Fri May 18, 2007 2:40 am

LA NOTTE is coming definitely (Kim Hendrickson), we just don't know when...

Cinephrenic · #11 Post by **Cinephrenic** » Fri May 18, 2007 2:47 am

If you are referring to the 'Speakeasy' interview, she say's "we hope to get to this soon". I don't know if this really confirms anything. Someone should email Kim on this.

ellipsis7 · #12 Post by **ellipsis7** » Fri May 18, 2007 2:51 am

No, actually I have direct e-mail confirmation from her... Only thing delaying it is finding decent film elements up to CC standards she says...

Cinephrenic · #13 Post by **Cinephrenic** » Fri May 18, 2007 3:03 am

Awesome then. I'll move her up with the boys.

justeleblanc · #14 Post by **justeleblanc** » Fri May 18, 2007 9:32 am

Cinephrenic wrote:Awesome then. I'll move her up with the boys.

I don't know about that. They will only release this film if there are decent elements, and like many other films, decent elements may not surface. I feel like there are plenty of other films for which they own the rights but wont release until good prints exist, and in some cases, the good may never surface. LA NOTTE isn't a CERTAINTY until we know for sure that proper elements have been found.

But that's just my opinion.

Cinephrenic · #15 Post by **Cinephrenic** » Fri May 18, 2007 4:13 pm

Somebody try emailing her on this, and we go from there if she replies. This might even be in limbo.

ellipsis7 · #16 Post by **ellipsis7** » Fri May 18, 2007 4:28 pm

Listen, she emailed me on this recently. and it's pretty clear (at least to me)... This is a silly exercise in that virtually all the above list would be susceptible to the same uncertainty or some other... While the CC is considerably more relaxed about informally indicating their intentions and position, precise releases are bound to be 'certain' only when officially announced...

justeleblanc · #17 Post by **justeleblanc** » Fri May 18, 2007 5:23 pm

ellipsis7 wrote:Listen, she emailed me on this recently. and it's pretty clear (at least to me)... This is a silly exercise in that virtually all the above list would be susceptible to the same uncertainty or some other... While the CC is considerably more relaxed about informally indicating their intentions and position, precise releases are bound to be 'certain' only when officially announced...

Nope.

"In the works" means they are working on it. Early 2008/Late 2007 means they are working on it. Rialto means it's already been worked on.

Waiting for materials means EISENSTEIN SILENTS.

Cinephrenic · #18 Post by **Cinephrenic** » Fri May 18, 2007 5:50 pm

Confirmed or not, the list stands for films not on the R1 market (with a few exceptions) and have been linked to Criterion some way or another. I think it serves a big purpose for many people, not just on this forum, but on the net. Everything can change, even if announced officially so I don't think it really makes a difference. We are just compiling the evidence.

ellipsis7 · #19 Post by **ellipsis7** » Sat May 19, 2007 4:25 am

Well she talked of trying to set a definite release date, so not EISENSTEIN SILENTS....

In her own words, they're working on it...

We've had some problems obtaining decent mastering materials for LA NOTTE so I'm afraid I don't have a release date yet. We're trying to get this out there but we don't think we could release an acceptable version at the moment.

Thanks for the kind words.

Personally, I'm dying to replace my Fox Lorber disc of LA NOTTE with the CC version...

BTW the list as compiled is very useful... Don't mind my grumbles!...

souvenir · #20 Post by **souvenir** » Sat May 19, 2007 6:56 pm

Cinephrenic wrote:I think it serves a big purpose for many people, not just on this forum, but on the net.

Somebody's definitely getting some use out of it.

dx23 · #21 Post by **dx23** » Thu May 24, 2007 2:51 pm

souvenir wrote:
Cinephrenic wrote:I think it serves a big purpose for many people, not just on this forum, but on the net.
Somebody's definitely getting some use out of it.

But they don't give credit to the source.

Tribe · #22 Post by **Tribe** » Thu May 24, 2007 4:33 pm

dx23 wrote:But they don't give credit to the source.

That's bullshit when they don't give credit.

Tribe

stroszeck · #23 Post by **stroszeck** » Fri May 25, 2007 9:11 am

What happened to the Tati boxset we got a confirmation on during the Playtime release last year?

justeleblanc · #24 Post by **justeleblanc** » Fri May 25, 2007 9:13 am

stroszeck wrote:What happened to the Tati boxset we got a confirmation on during the Playtime release last year?

It wasn't a confirmation. I got an email in December/January saying there is no boxset coming.

Two quickies:

-Marienbad opening in November

-Pierrot not currently in the works

ellipsis7 · #25 Post by **ellipsis7** » Wed May 30, 2007 12:50 pm

That's a pity - PIERROT is currently in a pretty dire Fox Lorber DVD, badly in need of replacement...

Still a decent MARIENBAD is to be looked forward to....